The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS

ASX said:
This video is not realtime. You see the increased speed :D. I don't care what you say about the M1. I have seen the slowness with my own eyes. Don't try to fool me. I have used this m1 pro macbook for a half day connected to a monitor with mouse and keyboard. I have verified it enough. I wouldn't complain about this matter, when it doesnt happened. I saw also the ram usage of 12- 13 gigabytes. The memory pressure was green, but it was slow. Not snappy. Every crappy Intel 4 core, 8 thread cpu within a 800 - 1300 Euro laptop would be faster.
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Can’t wait to see your video showing this <3
 
ASX said:
Nope. Tested it on Macbook Pro 16" 2021 with 16 gb ram and 1 tb ssd. It has massive delay when 20+ tabs are open.
Sorry but im used to other loading times on my desktop (5900X).

The alu chassi is nothing special. Many laptops are using it, but with a better surface. The surface of the silver mac book pro and especially the space grey is a magnet for everything. I used this macbook barely 1-2 hours with hands on the chassi and it had already permanent traces on it. Pretty big fail.
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Mind flipping us some photos of your MBP 16' with your name next to it on a piece of paper? I'm not saying I doubt you, but I find it odd that you created an account yesterday, have broken English and are throwing mis-information around.

On the other hand I have a 8C MBP 13', I literally have 20+ tabs open now and have 0 lag or latency. Again, please post a video of your claim.
 
MBP is a productivity based notebook not a gaming platform. Should Apple want to get into AAA gaming we'll know about it in good time as now Apple has the horsepower, equally I rather suspect a separate device being very Apple move.

Can the M1 Mac's play games? Yes, can they beat out dedicated Windows probably not at this point in time nor will gamers care so much as they will be in it for the gameplay not the eye candy.

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metapunk2077fail said:
Professional troll farms hired by competitors is common on social media and it is really sad that poor people are employed in such soul destroying low income work. They should fight for a better life. I think it should be made a crime globally to hire sock puppets, run troll farms, run click factories, and all that. It really is modern slavery.
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Correct.
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Laws of diminishing returns, nor are Mac's remotely designed with gaming in mind. Want to AAA game there is a plethora of options on Windows based hardware. Have a macOS workflow that's optimised for Apple Silicon, little outside of a full-blown desktop will likely compete with the new Apple Silicon MBP.

OP's post makes no sense, as very few will expect comparable performance given the layers of emulation/virtualisation required or the purpose of the MBP. This W10 17" notebook plays games reasonably well, equally comparing it to the latest 2021 hardware or a top tier desktop solution would be equally ludicrous.

I'm not a fan of all Apple, yet far from against Apple owning multiple Mac's. I do see and recognise the change for the better for the Pro user with both the Mac Pro & MacBook Pro. I was very critical of the 2016 design and remain to be so. Yes you can game on a Mac, will they be comparative to Windows? No not until the user base significantly increases and games are fully optimised for Apple Silicon, only then will things change. Does this stop the user playing games? No you will as ever be more limited in choice and likely see reduced performance compared to Windows.

Apple want's to get in to AAA gaming it will do; as ever on it's own terms, with I suspect a new device as now Apple very clearly has the performance on hand. I own both Mac's and PC's for reason, gaming being very secondary. I can enjoy gaming on both platforms within the limitations of the hardware and OS...

TLDR Gaming a priority? Buy a PC/Console, macOS workflow a Priority buy a Mac or build a Hacintosh and roll the dice...

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Queen6 said:
Laws of diminishing returns, nor are Mac's remotely designed with gaming in mind. Want to AAA game there is a plethora of options on Windows based hardware. Have a macOS workflow that's optimised for Apple Silicon, little outside of a full-blown desktop will likely compete with the new Apple Silicon MBP.

OP's post makes no sense, as very few will expect comparable performance given the layers of emulation/virtualisation required or the purpose of the MBP. This W10 17" notebook plays games reasonably well, equally comparing it to the latest 2021 hardware or a top tier desktop solution would be equally ludicrous.

I'm not a fan of all Apple, yet far from against Apple owning multiple Mac's. I do see and recognise the change for the better for the Pro user with both the Mac Pro & MacBook Pro. I was very critical of the 2016 design and remain to be so. Yes you can game on a Mac, will they be comparative to Windows? No not until the user base significantly increases and games are fully optimised for Apple Silicon, only then will things change. Does this stop the user playing games? No you will as ever be more limited in choice and likely see reduced performance.

Apple want's to get in to AAA gaming it will do; as ever on it's own terms, with I suspect a new device as now Apple very clearly has the performance on hand. I own both Mac's and PC's for reason, gaming being very secondary. I can enjoy gaming on both platforms within the limitations of the hardware and OS...

TLDR Gaming a priority? Buy a PC/Console, macOS workflow a Priority buy a Mac or build a Hacintosh and roll the dice...

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By the way the worst part is not gaming, even just few apps truly rewritten everything to native support M1, so pro or Max is mainly just for benchmark or showing Apple logo in Cafe but nothing else.
 
babyexercise said:
By the way the worst part is not gaming, even just few apps truly rewritten everything to native support M1, so pro or Max is mainly just for benchmark or showing Apple logo in Cafe but nothing else.
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No it's a new SW platform and will take time to mature. I have a base 13" M1 MBP and it serves me well. I look to run predominately Apple Silicon applications, equally that's not always possible. For what is ostensibly a 13" Ultrabook it runs seamlessly with no complaints with performance one would previously attach to a far larger hex or octa core notebook.

I opted for the base M1 MBP model out of caution and the sheer inquisitiveness of what I could do with Apple Silicon. The M1 MBP impressed me punching well above it's weight in the day, yet is best suited in it's designed role.

Do I like all no; I'm not a fan of the port solution and the TouchBar is an irrelevant addition. The performance is both solid and fluid, battery life exceptional. The 2021 MBP brings back a level of usability lost with the poor 2016 MBP design to those that need with a very significant increase in multi core performance & battery runtime.

Personally I'm not looking to dig deep until I can see the payoff as the notebooks are tools to me. Again diminishing returns, one pays a lot more for a minor increase in performance. For those that can monetise it's well worth it, or for those that simply want more is also perfectly OK

Don't like the Mac, simple walk away...

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Queen6 said:
No it's a new SW platform and will take time to mature. I have a base 13" M1 MBP and it serves me well. I look to run predominately Apple Silicon applications, equally that's not always possible. For what is ostensibly a 13" Ultrabook it runs seamlessly with no complaints with performance one would previously attach to a far larger hex or octa core notebook.

I opted for the base M1 MBP model out of caution and the sheer inquisitiveness of what I could do with Apple Silicon. The M1 MBP impressed me punching well above it's weight in the day, yet is best suited in it's designed role.

Do I like all no; I'm not a fan of the port solution and the TouchBar is an irrelevant addition. The performance is both solid and fluid, battery life exceptional. The 2021 MBP brings back a level of usability lost with the poor 2016 MBP design to those that need with a very significant increase in multi core performance & battery runtime.

Personally I'm not looking to dig deep until I can see the payoff as the notebooks are tools to me. Again diminishing returns, one pays a lot more for a minor increase in performance. For those that can monetise it's well worth it, or for those that simply want more is also perfectly OK

Don't like the Mac, simple walk away...

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I am not parent of M1 so no time to wait for it to get mature in years or may never get mature since almost no company wants to write M1 native system.
 
pshufd said:
I own an i7-10700 Windows Desktop with 128 GB of RAM and 5 TB SSD. I use it for production work because I use a program that runs poorly on macOS and doesn't run at all on my new 2021 MacBook Pro (I'm working with tech support). Use the hardware and software platform that your application runs well on. Windows laptops are really crappy as database cloud servers. Why would anyone buy such a device for that purpose?
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This is good advice.
various applications run differently on windows / Macs / intel / M.
 
babyexercise said:
I am not parent of M1 so no time to wait for it to get mature in years or may never get mature since almost no company wants to write M1 native system.
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Time will tell, your clearly not in the market for such a product. So why be so concerned? Those that need Intel based Mac's still have options, not that Mac's have ever been a gaming platform. Frankly your trying to make a spectacle out of nothing. Even the most hardened Mac enthusiast knows Mac's don't compare well to gaming PC's as that's not what they are about.

I can play games on my $600 i3, 4gb, 128gb Acer Switch 5. Did I purchase the device for such purpose absolutely not, equally some old games run really well and fun to pass time on when one has little else to do...

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babyexercise said:
The video shows the practical gaming fps
I don’t know how can you accept that but I cannot. There is no way to call it Max when the old version gaming fps is 300% of it. I doubt M2 Max or even M3 Max can catch it up after like 3, 4years. You deserve much better this if you bought the Max.
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Because all games on Mac are x86 which isn't native for Apple Silicon.
 
just an FYI.
Twinmotion (based on unreal engine) runs amazingly well. Vastly better than the 5600m, and doesn’t embarrass itself against my desktop 3080ti !
 
babyexercise said:
I am not parent of M1 so no time to wait for it to get mature in years or may never get mature since almost no company wants to write M1 native system.
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There are thousands of M1 native apps already made. Including most of the Adobe cc suite, the Affinity suite, most of the widely use video editing suites, VM Software, JAVA and lots and lots of open source Apps such as Krita and Gimp. These run far faster than the computers that they replaced. If it's not native then Rosetta is still usually faster than the mac it replaced.

Check this site out for compatibility:

Is Apple Silicon ready?

The Complete Guide to MacOS Apps Optimized for Apple Silicon Macs and the M1/M2 Processors
isapplesiliconready.com

Most mac users don't play games on a mac in fact most people don't play games on a computer at all. Do I wanna get a job done, yes! Will my mac (M1 or intel) get this job done, YES! There is no argument to that.

Most of the posts you and ASX have made are disingenuous at best or completely false. I also believe you are the same person.
 
The dgpu of the old macbook was a cheap low end graphics:

www.amd.com

AMD Radeon™ RX 5600M Mobil-Grafikkarte

AMD Radeon™ RX 5600M Mobil-Grafikkarte bietet ultimatives 1080p-Gaming - überall. Spielfrequenz von 1190 MHz, 6 GB GDDR6 und 2304 Stream-Prozessoren. Mehr erfahren
www.amd.com www.amd.com

5.63 tflops. More than the 16 c gpu of M1 Pro (5 tflops). The 5600M has 2304 stream processors and 192 bit memory interface :D. It's slower like the RX 480 from 2016. 200 Euro graphics with the performance of a 350 Euro graphics from Nvidia of 2014 (GTX 970).

Benchmarkking :D:


I'm still laughing about the 200 gb/s and 400 gb/s bandwith ot the m1 pro/max memory interface.

A RTX 3090 (with 35.7 tflops fp32) has 1000 gbyte/s alone for the gpu. And a system with this build in is cheaper than the m1 max 1 tb version.
 
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