The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS

[ASX]

Sadly for hdr nope, if you want high peak brightness. ~2600 dimming zone, up to 1600 nits, mini led backlight is sadly exclusive for this macbooks.

As i said i would instantly buy a windows notebook when it has this backlight with fast lcd cell. If this macbook has a standard sdr display like the macbooks of 2020, i had never touched it. It would be a very boring device.

 

[carl varley]

Yep, for hdr videos @ 24-30 fps it was good enough. I don't use this laptop for working a lot. It's mostly for multimedia. But from a 2200-3000 notebookbook i expect more. Fluent workflow without heavy artifacts and stuttering is bare minimum.

The display is bad, expect static images and hdr videos with low fps.

So if you bought 3 of these computers for watching videos. They at a minimum would have cost £7,000. That's bananas! Why not just buy a nice TV or OLED tablet for around a 10th of the price. These machines are not for you. In fact I don't think any machine would be for you.

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

Did you use Windows 11 on a fast pc? It's for me delivering the far better experience than mac os does. I was glad when i disconnected the macbook pro 2021 from my monitor and switched back to my pc. Much more fluent usage.

Mac Os is for me like a Linux variant, not really polished with many inlogical and intricately functions.

Windows being more polished than MacOS? hahaha

 

[Ethosik]

Even very casual gaming does not work much. Super old LOL just 70 fps. Basically no gaming for MacBook users.

That is better than consoles which typically target 30fps. And some games are locked to 60fps.

 

[Ethosik]

Blame Apple’s no interest in gaming. No. Apple Arcade doesn’t count.
Too few people buy Mac for gaming only. Macs are very expensive (even MacBook Air) compared to PC, therefore virtually no gaming market share. So devs are not incentivised to develop for them.

Its not Apple's fault. I have said this in another thread but Apple can provide the best hardware possible (talking RTX 3090 in the base $700 Mac mini) and I still wouldn't develop my game for macOS for one reason only: Marketshare.

Windows on Steam stats has 96% while the remaining 4 are divided between both macOS and Linux.

Windows also has both the advantage and disadvantage of retaining 30+ year old code in the OS. This allows my Windows 10 computer built in 2020 to be able to play a game that was made in 2001 with Direct X 8.

 

[ASX]

@carl varley

Yep, i bought it for watching videos, surfing and writing mobile. I have LG C1 + G1 already. So no need for big screens.

I dont kept the 3 others with only 16 gb vram. I bought the 16" with M1 max with 32 gb ram. It can handle my browser tabs. The 16 gb versions can't do it without delay. I hate delay. Im not buying a machine for so much money when it's lagging.

@cap7ainclu7ch

I like Windows 11 much more. It has also much more functions than this stripped MacOs and pretty much of the software is free. But we are in a mac forum. Most haven't seen a windows pc since hdd's were up to date for system memory .

 

[Shirasaki]

Its not Apple's fault. I have said this in another thread but Apple can provide the best hardware possible (talking RTX 3090 in the base $700 Mac mini) and I still wouldn't develop my game for macOS for one reason only: Marketshare.

Windows on Steam stats has 96% while the remaining 4 are divided between both macOS and Linux.

Windows also has both the advantage and disadvantage of retaining 30+ year old code in the OS. This allows my Windows 10 computer built in 2020 to be able to play a game that was made in 2001 with Direct X 8.

Yet this comment sounds exactly like it is Apple’s fault.

Apple abandon legacy API preventing old games from functioning. Kills off 32-bit support renders many many games released in Intel Mac era simply not working because of that. To top it off, it appears Metal is being changed so often that long game development project is rougher than on Windows platforms.

Powerful hardware needs good software support to function properly, and the software for gaming is just not there.

 

[ASX]

So mac buyers are forced to buy 2 expensive systems, 1 mac and 1 pc. For me the mbp is only a gimmick, nothing i really need . But when i think about someone needs both it will be expensive like some new cars .

But who really games on a macbook? The screen is small, the keyboard is bad and the mouse support isn't good. I had to increase the mouse speed to maximum and dpi to 3200. Otherwise the mouse movement was extremly slow.

 

[Ethosik]

Yet this comment sounds exactly like it is Apple’s fault.

Apple abandon legacy API preventing old games from functioning. Kills off 32-bit support renders many many games released in Intel Mac era simply not working because of that. To top it off, it appears Metal is being changed so often that long game development project is rougher than on Windows platforms.

Powerful hardware needs good software support to function properly, and the software for gaming is just not there.

Retaining legacy APIs, 32-bit support and old code would not let us have these Apple Silicon chips. Sometimes you need to cut old code to make progress.

 

[ASX]

Progress . You mean more profit, because arm cpus are cheap in production. Previous M1 costs 50 US Dollars. Cheap i5 mobile Intels costs 250 US Dollar. It wouldn't be a lose if they use Intel Alderlake or AMD Ryzen (3rd or 4th gen) for their macs (not macbooks). But the margin would be significantly lower. For mobile devices arm cpus are much more suitable because of the less heat and power consumption. This has it's price. Bad compatibility to non M1 apps.

 

[babyexercise]

That is better than consoles which typically target 30fps. And some games are locked to 60fps.

Can you compare to Windows?

 

[Ethosik]

Can you compare to Windows?

Uh yes. Windows isn't immune to issues. Bad console ports happen. Even on a GTX 1080 and a 8 year old game struggles with it because it is an absolute mess of a PS3 port. Throwing a 3080 at it did nothing too. Its just a bad port. Optimization is key here. Just look at GTA5 and Doom 2016. Those have been HEAVILY optimized and runs buttery smooth on any PC, even my test 1060. Yet some other games can't even run well under my friend's 3080 he let me borrow.

And BTW, those are desktop comparisons, not laptops. So I am talking about the full size, full power GPUs.

 

[babyexercise]

Progress . You mean more profit, because arm cpus are cheap in production. Previous M1 costs 50 US Dollars. Cheap i5 mobile Intels costs 250 US Dollar. It wouldn't be a lose if they use Intel Alderlake or AMD Ryzen (3rd or 4th gen) for their macs (not macbooks). But the margin would be significantly lower. For mobile devices arm cpus are much more suitable because of the less heat and power consumption. This has it's price. Bad compatibility to non M1 apps.

Only around 500 apps that are native M1 or make some changes for M1. I don’t want to buy an expensive pro and become lab white mice.

 

[babyexercise]

Progress . You mean more profit, because arm cpus are cheap in production. Previous M1 costs 50 US Dollars. Cheap i5 mobile Intels costs 250 US Dollar. It wouldn't be a lose if they use Intel Alderlake or AMD Ryzen (3rd or 4th gen) for their macs (not macbooks). But the margin would be significantly lower. For mobile devices arm cpus are much more suitable because of the less heat and power consumption. This has it's price. Bad compatibility to non M1 apps.

M1 series is much higher profit for Apple, users being lab white mice with only around 500 “make some changes” for M1 apps.

 

[Shirasaki]

Retaining legacy APIs, 32-bit support and old code would not let us have these Apple Silicon chips. Sometimes you need to cut old code to make progress.

While it is true, apple clearly takes a much more extreme approach towards legacy stuff while Microsoft tries their best to maintain as much backwards compatibility as they can while moving away from the past as fast as they can. It’s a design philosophy choice. If apple thinks dropping their software library is like killing flies, macOS would forever be niche, even more than Linux.

 

[Analog Kid]

12 posts in the citation was discredited, and this thread is still going?

 

[metapunk2077fail]

This is really a low effort attack.

Is Intel or AMD hiring the troll farm? Do they still pay the trolls with dog money or have they created a new scam token like Chihuahuacoin?

Looks like there are scammers and professional troll farms reading this forum. The day after my post above they created Chiahuahuacoin to steal money from the gullible and degenerate.

Please be careful who you trust online and don't take financial advice from strangers. Good old grandma's advice. Glad she never lived to see the world of the internet.

 

[ASX]

@babyexercise

I have also M1 Max now, but it costs me only effectively around 1850 Euros instead of 3850 Euros. And im not doing much. Only a office, movie watching, surfing machine for rare mobile use. But i had to take the Max model, because the 16 gb ram was too tiny for my browser tabs. It had slow down and it feels like having a cheap 4 core entry level mobile quad core.

If this would be my main machine i would return it asap. As backup/rare mobile device it's ok.

The credit i give Apple for this office laptop is the noise (no fans on when i use it with my stuff), battery life and hdr content . That's all of the positives.

Glad i have for daily use:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.5 ghz all core
48 gb ddr4 3600 cl 16
Nvidia RTX 3090 FE with Thermalpadmod
4 tb pcie ssds
3 tb sata ssd
2 x 8 tb hdd
Gigabyte B550 Master Mainboard
5 x Noctua 140 mm fans
2 x Noctua 120 mm fans on Noctua U12A
Several high end external audio devices
LG 34GP950G, AW3821DW and LG C1 48" as displays for this system

Funny thing is, the system above without displays is cheaper than this m1 macbook pro max and far superior

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

@babyexercise

I have also M1 Max now, but it costs me only effectively around 1850 Euros instead of 3850 Euros. And im not doing much. Only a office, movie watching, surfing machine for rare mobile use. But i had to take the Max model, because the 16 gb ram was too tiny for my browser tabs. It had slow down and it feels like having a cheap 4 core entry level mobile quad core.

If this would be my main machine i would return it asap. As backup/rare mobile device it's ok.

The credit i give Apple for this office laptop is the noise (no fans on when i use it with my stuff), battery life and hdr content . That's all of the positives.

Glad i have for daily use:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.5 ghz all core
48 gb ddr4 3600 cl 16
Nvidia RTX 3090 FE with Thermalpadmod
4 tb pcie ssds
3 tb sata ssd
2 x 8 tb hdd
Gigabyte B550 Master Mainboard
5 x Noctua 140 mm fans
2 x Noctua 120 mm fans on Noctua U12A
Several high end external audio devices
LG 34GP950G, AW3821DW and LG C1 48" as displays for this system

Funny thing is, the system above without displays is cheaper than this m1 macbook pro max and far superior

Only funny thing is you still posting here about your basic gaming PC that nobody asked about.

Want to show off your Rolex and BMW as well? ?

 

[ASX]

It's only for comparison, i doubt it's a basic gaming pc, 11XXX M1 Pro Max vs. 22.000 points in cb r23 this machine, RTX 3090 gets 3 x the gpu score within geekbench of m1 max gpu . The price is absurd for this macbook. For beeing a lab rat, a cheaper price would only be fair.
A fair price in my opinion is around 1500 Euros for M1 Max basic model.

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

It's only for comparison. The price is absurd for this macbook.

I'm sorry someone has been holding a gun against your head and making you buy a computer you clearly don't want. Must be difficult for you. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[ASX]

For my described above use case it's ok. I appreciate the silence and hdr of this laptop. But the price is still absurd, because the skills are very, very limited.

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

For my described above use case it's ok. I appreciate the silence and hdr of this laptop. But the price is still absurd, because the skills are very, very limited.

Why are you talking about value at all if you are willing to drop thousands on a laptop for an HDR screen and the ability to open a bunch of tabs? You clearly don't care about value or the designed purposed of these computers.

 

[ASX]

My case is special. Normal people paying the full 3850 Euros which i dont. I do this comparison for others who are maybe not dedicated Apple users.

The absurd thing is, that you need the 32 gb ram version if you are using many tabs. So this high price is a must.
This laptop is a trap. The entry price are only a honey pot. The base models are not future proof or even enough for the present.

 

[cap7ainclu7ch]

My case is special. Normal people paying the full 3850 Euros which i dont. I do this comparison for others who are maybe not dedicated Apple users.

The absurd thing is, that you need the 32 gb ram version if you are using many tabs. So this high price is a must.

No you don't. I opened 50+ tabs and experienced no lag. You are either a troll or not very perceptive.