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Another ho-hum performance from the Reds. Kuyt should have been sent off, so we got lucky there (although I was watching the Birmingham/Man. City game and I saw a Birmingham player get away with a similar tackle). We just don't look like a title-quality team right now.
Sissoko was total crap.
Sissoko was total crap.
I was watching the Liverpool game and when Kuyt flew in I was certain he'd be receiving a red card. I was amazed that he only got a yellow for that.
Really? I didn't think it was as bad as it looked, he didn't make contact. Yes I am biased though.
Lunging in with both feet off the ground, studs showing? It should have been a red card, and I'm speaking as a neutral.
Kuyt himself has acknowledged that he's been a little fortunate to avoid a heavier punishment.
Surprised nothing more has been said even after that, I would have thought the FA would be taking action. That was the single worst challenge I've seen in a long, long time.
Turning our thoughts away from the Flying Dutchman for a moment, this amused me this morning Gus Hiddink has taken it upon himself to mock the England national side and our inadequacies. According to the Russian boss, we're tactically naive and panic under pressure.
Tell us something we don't know!
Tell us something we don't know!
Turning our thoughts away from the Flying Dutchman for a moment, this amused me this morning Gus Hiddink has taken it upon himself to mock the England national side and our inadequacies. According to the Russian boss, we're tactically naive and panic under pressure.
Tell us something we don't know!
Yeah, it certainly wasn't that after the first game.
I have to hand it to McLaren, I didn't think he had the stones to keep Barry in the middle with Fat Frank fit, but he did and England we're beaten by a better side in the end. It wasn't that loss that shaped England's probable failure to qualify, it was the 0-0 at home to Macedonia.
Indeed, in a very tight group if youre going to drop points against the lesser sides at home, mind youre going to run into difficulties.
True enough, he did well to retain Barry but it can be argued that he should have dropped Lampard as an automatic pick a long time back. Dont forget that Barry was only able to force his way into the reckoning and prove his worth as a result of Lampards injury, had Frank remained fit Im highly doubtful Barry would have got anywhere near a look in.
We went into the Russia game with totally the wrong mindset we had all the excuses all in place about the artificial pitch and stuff, ready for a poor performance and found ourselves unable to adapt to match Russia's tactics. The whole set up needs a huge kick up the backside.
That is the main point. Everyone, it seems, but the manager could see that Fat Frank and Gerrard couldn't work. It's been debated and debated and to be honest I'm sick of hearing ex-players tell me how good Fat Frank is and that great players just 'work' together, when clearly they could not.
As if this wasn't proven when Barry was brought in (Not a super star of a player, but a player playing well, in the right position) we still had the debate about Fat Frank. I think it's quite simple, don't fix something that isn't broken.
Much the same can be said about Richards. I'm a huge fan of Gary Neville, but I would be. However, he has no right to just wander back into the England squad after Richards' performances at right back. No more 'right' anyway, than Fat Frank. Just because they are big names, doesn't mean they should be on the team sheet before the lesser known lads, and I think this is a huge problem within English (And possibly International as a whole, looking at the Netherlands before Marco Van Basten and Brazil's last attempt at the World Cup) football.
Shevchenko, anyone?
Absolutely. The problem is that we continue to pick a team of the eleven best players, rather than the eleven players who are going to make the best team.
I'd rather not, if it's all the same.
Lunging in with both feet off the ground, studs showing? It should have been a red card, and I'm speaking as a neutral.
A neutral you may be but you're not that good at assessing a situation
Firstly, and importantly, he didn't have his studs showing and secondly he was miles away from making contact. You could clearly see (from inside the ground, at the very least) that he didn't lung in, he lunged past the player from a sideways position when trying to close down a pass.
He was nowhere near, didn't touch the player and didn't have studs showing. A red would have been very, very harsh.
I disagree. We are turning draws into wins and loses into draws, whilst we are not playing anywhere near our level (with Agger, Torres, Arbeloa, Alonso and Kewell out, it's no wonder). That's the mark of a title winning team, just ask any honest United fan. I've watch United do that season after season in the 90's and even last year.
We haven't looked the same since the international break and since the loss of important players (Carra and Gerrard both having had injuries, added to the above names) but we do have a great squad and they are picking up points, esspecially away from home where we have played most of our league games and have the best away record in the league and have played some tough home games, already.
Arsenal, who have an impressive start to the season and are very much the form team have only been outside of London once in their nine league games and they lost points from that. My suggestion is to have a look when things start to level out in regards to home games and away ties.
Not as bad as Mascherano and Benayoun, who both lost the ball on more occasions than Momo, and not as bad as Gerrard who decided he could win the game on his own and leave massive gaps that players like Voronin have to try and fill. It was no accident that we started to play as a team and have more efforts on goal when he was off the pitch than when he was on it... Brilliant move from Rafa.
I disagree. Certainly he didn't make contact with Neville, but that was only because the Everton captain was quick-witted enough to get out of the way. Had he not, he could have been facing a spell on the sidelines with a broken leg rather than for pretending to be a goalkeeper.
I'll concede that Kuyt perhaps wasn't going in with the intent of taking out Neville and that his intention was perhaps the ball, but it was a poorly-timed, potentially dangerous challenge and the laws of the game state that such challenges warrant a dismissal.
I note too that Mr M Clattenburg (Tyne and Wear) has been given the upcoming weekend off it would appear that the referee assessors are better at assessing a situation than I am.
I disagree. Certainly he didn't make contact with Neville, but that was only because the Everton captain was quick-witted enough to get out of the way. Had he not, he could have been facing a spell on the sidelines with a broken leg rather than for pretending to be a goalkeeper.
Sorry, are you trying to make that out as a negative thing?
Actually, no. Well, it depends what rule you put it under, the red didn't put it under serious foul play (or whatever it's called these days) but actually under the yellow card offence of dangerous play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20If7fnKSyg
The same as this isn't a red. I'm not trying to say it wasn't a silly challenge, it clearly was. I don't believe it was a red card though. If he had his studs showing and going for the player, then yes, even if he missed the player, then yes. As it was, Neville jumped over his shoulders because he was at a completely different angle to him.
Not to mention the 'you're allowed to break the legs of the Neville brothers' rule, introduced the minute they were born.
I note too that Mr M Clattenburg (Tyne and Wear) has been given the upcoming weekend off it would appear that the referee assessors are better at assessing a situation than I am.
Oh, that's bad form, Mr. Cake. You're smarter than that. 17 refs and only a total of 10 fixtures, they can't all ref, as you well know. He isn't being banned (like Robbed Styles was) for making any bad decisions.
Twisting facts, Mr. Cake... shame on you
End of the day, poor challenge but under no obligation to send him off.
He will be too busy picking up the key to the city of Liverpool and getting banned for life from Kirkby.
Mark Clattenburg MSE (Member of the scouse empire) is one of the finest refs in the Premier League, only mistake he made was the 'possible' pen on Lescott, but if we are being 100% correct on decisions, the throw in that lead to that was a foul throw (check the replay, he had his foot of the ground)... so not so much to piss and moan out for the bitters.
Mark Clattenburg MSE (Member of the scouse empire) is one of the finest refs in the Premier League, only mistake he made was the 'possible' pen on Lescott, but if we are being 100% correct on decisions, the throw in that lead to that was a foul throw (check the replay, he had his foot of the ground)... so not so much to piss and moan out for the bitters.
Sorry és: but thats crap. It was a straight red, quite simple.
It was more of a karate kick than it was a challenge.
Studs or no studs, it was red. I couldn't see Roy Keane's studs when he challenged, wait, assaulted Alf Inge Haaland. Yellow card? Some how I think not. So Keane made contact, your saying had Haaland simply moved out of the way faster it wouldn't have merited a red?
As for intent, Keane admitted he had lots, just because Kuyt didn't doesn't make it true.
It was a bad decision not to send him off, simple as that.
It was more of a karate kick than it was a challenge.
Studs or no studs, it was red. I couldn't see Roy Keane's studs when he challenged, wait, assaulted Alf Inge Haaland. Yellow card? Some how I think not. So Keane made contact, your saying had Haaland simply moved out of the way faster it wouldn't have merited a red?
As for intent, Keane admitted he had lots, just because Kuyt didn't doesn't make it true.
It was a bad decision not to send him off, simple as that.
No, it's not.
Nor did a top class referee think so.
You can say "simple as that" as often as you like and be even more dismissive, it doesn't change the facts or the laws of the game.
Keane was a nasty thug BTW. Luis Garcia has a lot to be proud of by ending his united career... all hail King Luis. To use that 'challenge' in the same breath as Kuyt's block is disgusting
If you can't see that Keane went in with his studs, then you're blind. Sorry Mark, look at this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jzEGkmY-Vio&mode=related&search=
He was nowhere near the player, for goodness sake, you are blind.
And you have the nerve to say I'm being silly
Firstly, an argument would mean you had a point to argue. Secondly, I was talking to Jaffa Cake before you tried the old 'be dismissive and try to make his point look silly'' trick.. it doesn't work out of junior school, unlucky.
Yes, only because the player moved out of the way. How does that make it less of a offense?
'Yes officer, I was firing my automatic rife at that school bus, lucky it moved out of the way, ill be on my way now.'
I was being dismissive by saying that a 2 footed lunge at someone, with both feet off the ground is simply a red card? Okay then...
But that's not right, it's a fallacy. His feet were way past him and he jumped over his shoulders/head. It's not like he jumped the challenge.
He was at a completely different angle to him, the worst that would have happened is that Neville would have kicked Kuyt in the stomach...
He does not "endanger the safety of an opponent" because he was so far away with no studs showing (a bellyflop to the shin doesn't count as "endangering the safety of an opponent") so it is judged by the red as "guilty of unsporting behaviour" which is a yellow card offense.
That's the lino's fault, I'm afraid
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