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I feel the competition has been devalued slightly since it stopped being the LDV Vans Trophy, but it's still a proper piece of silverware. My only regret about the lofty heights we find ourselves at currently is that we're not able to enter the JPT.
That's a fair point, but given the obvious injury Eduardo suffered clearly helping him and getting medical attention to him straight away was the first thing that crossed their minds, and quite rightly too.
He could have been wearing armor plate on his legs and it wouldn't have mattered - it's a question of the amount of force applied, the location and direction it's applied, whether the target limb is planted and the strength of the tibia and fibula bones. Shin pads can't prevent the crushing force of a tackle.
If Eduardo's foot was not planted but just off the ground when the tackle connected he would have a painful bruise or possibly a hairline fracture but probably nothing worse.
good point. and i haven't seen the photo in a day or so but did eduardo even have shin guards on? lots of pros don't even wear them...
and some of them cover a very small portion of the leg anyway... mostly higher up the shin... and balckadder summed it up perfectly...
I'm so going to Forest to watch Carlisle on Monday night. It's on Sky, 7:45 Kick Off on Monday. You should all watch the mighty Blues!
I thought they made it compulsory to wear them a few years ago?
Its obviously about luck of the draw though, I remember Kenny Dalglish saying he never wore shin pads, ever and he was kicked all the time, especially in those days!
d'oh! they may have! i see so little of the Prem on the telly that i couldn't say
for sure...
seems like the mls guys don't...
Yeah, in the Premiership they are compulsory. Well, as far as I was aware in 'the game' they we're.
There have been some similar injuries in U.S. pro sports in the past with widely varying results. If any doctors want to correct my comparisons, please do.
Of course the most infamous televised sports injury here is the Joe Theismann broken leg, a compound fracture of both the fibula and tibia that was gruesomely visible on a televised Monday Night Football game. Theismann's leg was planted and Lawrence Taylor's weight went onto his leg between the knee and ankle. He never blamed Taylor for it. Theismann was forced to retire after that injury. Quite a few people cite the incident as one of Taylor's many highlights, but Taylor has always shown regret that it happened. If you're a masochist who wants to find it on YouTube, you'll see that Taylor was in fact the first to realize how horrible the injury was and began yelling for the medical team immediately, something that defensive players almost never do after a play.
The Theismann broken leg was a compound fracture, but it didn't involve a dislocated ankle too. Robin Ventura - then with the Chicago White Sox baseball team - did dislocate his ankle during a spring training game about ten years ago. He made a surprisingly fast short-term comeback and was playing again about four months later. He played another six or seven seasons after that, but he had chronic problems with the ankle. The muscles eventually atrophied and he was walking with a cane after he retired from playing. I remember reading a year or so ago that he had surgery to finally fix it, a bizarre procedure in which part of a leg bone from a cadaver was grafted onto his to form a complete joint again.
The only other really bad broken leg I can remember off the top of my head is Jason Kendall (also baseball). That one similarly had his bone sticking out through his sock. Kendall missed the rest of the season, I think, but is still playing now.
None of these injuries was intentional, just the result of fast-moving bodies slamming into things during the course of a game. I guess the only lesson here is that medical science can prevail.
Of course the most infamous televised sports injury here is the Joe Theismann broken leg, a compound fracture of both the fibula and tibia that was gruesomely visible on a televised Monday Night Football game. Theismann's leg was planted and Lawrence Taylor's weight went onto his leg between the knee and ankle. He never blamed Taylor for it. Theismann was forced to retire after that injury. Quite a few people cite the incident as one of Taylor's many highlights, but Taylor has always shown regret that it happened. If you're a masochist who wants to find it on YouTube, you'll see that Taylor was in fact the first to realize how horrible the injury was and began yelling for the medical team immediately, something that defensive players almost never do after a play.
The Theismann broken leg was a compound fracture, but it didn't involve a dislocated ankle too. Robin Ventura - then with the Chicago White Sox baseball team - did dislocate his ankle during a spring training game about ten years ago. He made a surprisingly fast short-term comeback and was playing again about four months later. He played another six or seven seasons after that, but he had chronic problems with the ankle. The muscles eventually atrophied and he was walking with a cane after he retired from playing. I remember reading a year or so ago that he had surgery to finally fix it, a bizarre procedure in which part of a leg bone from a cadaver was grafted onto his to form a complete joint again.
The only other really bad broken leg I can remember off the top of my head is Jason Kendall (also baseball). That one similarly had his bone sticking out through his sock. Kendall missed the rest of the season, I think, but is still playing now.
None of these injuries was intentional, just the result of fast-moving bodies slamming into things during the course of a game. I guess the only lesson here is that medical science can prevail.
I can only speak as far as the ankle dislocation goes, but it's not nice.
I did it a few years back, no broken bones or ankles or anything, a pure dislocation of the ankle.
Mine was bad, it's my left ankle and I ripped every single one of the tendons, muscles and just about everything else on the outside of the ankle. I had a 4 hour operation to fix them all. It doesn't really give me any problems now, but at the time I was in a cast for 6-8 weeks and had a lot of rehab and the likes. For months, and months, and months.
I of course was, or am, nothing like as fit as any of these players in question, but do I think I could go back to competitive football to the tune of the premiership after my ankle? Not a chance. Mine was only half of what happened to him.
It's still weaker than the right and for a good year after I was prone to going over on it, and thats not pleasant either. I have faith that Eduardo will be ok, he's in the right hands, but until now I've kind of weighed out of this argument because to a certain point I know what hes going through.
Don't get me wrong, the double compound fracture is a huge injury, and of course I feel for him, but I also think the one they'll be really worried about is the internal damage to that Ankle. Bones heal to 99% of their original strength with the right care, it's the muscles and tendons that'll suffer.
I did it a few years back, no broken bones or ankles or anything, a pure dislocation of the ankle.
Mine was bad, it's my left ankle and I ripped every single one of the tendons, muscles and just about everything else on the outside of the ankle. I had a 4 hour operation to fix them all. It doesn't really give me any problems now, but at the time I was in a cast for 6-8 weeks and had a lot of rehab and the likes. For months, and months, and months.
I of course was, or am, nothing like as fit as any of these players in question, but do I think I could go back to competitive football to the tune of the premiership after my ankle? Not a chance. Mine was only half of what happened to him.
It's still weaker than the right and for a good year after I was prone to going over on it, and thats not pleasant either. I have faith that Eduardo will be ok, he's in the right hands, but until now I've kind of weighed out of this argument because to a certain point I know what hes going through.
Don't get me wrong, the double compound fracture is a huge injury, and of course I feel for him, but I also think the one they'll be really worried about is the internal damage to that Ankle. Bones heal to 99% of their original strength with the right care, it's the muscles and tendons that'll suffer.
That's very true - bones get a good blood supply and once the short-term danger has passed they usually recover well. Ligaments and tendons are more problematic. Muscle injuries can also cause persistent trouble.
Eduardo's leg bones will probably be the least of the doctors' worries - they'll be most concerned with the soft tissue damage. The damaged ankle joint will probably be weaker than the uninjured one for the rest of his life - though it might not be so bad that it prevents him from playing.
Don't know where you saw those prices, but it generally ranges between £20-£60 for a Premiership game.
FWIW, I pay £16 to see Carlisle. (Well, I actually pay £9 because I still get in for under 16, but thats just me being a cheeky sod)
FWIW, I pay £16 to see Carlisle. (Well, I actually pay £9 because I still get in for under 16, but thats just me being a cheeky sod)
Heh I remember those days... I used to get in for about $6 instead of 10, don't think I could try that now though
These prices were on World Ticket Shop, so I was expecting the prices to be inflated, but that seemed massive.
I've never been to a Premier League game, are the prices you mention for season tickets or special seats or something, or maybe even tout prices? A quick look on the web shows that – if this page is correct – the highest price ticket is one that goes for £94 at Arsenal.
For what it's worth, my season ticket at Hull sets me back £340 a season and covers 23 games.
Blimey, the stewards at Brunton Park must be pretty daft if you can get away with that...
Blimey, the stewards at Brunton Park must be pretty daft if you can get away with that...
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, I'm 20 at the end of next month. But I figured I'm always getting ID'd in the pub so I ask every time now.Also, it's only £5 for my ticket at Forest on Monday night, and thats full price. I think it's a special price though because the Sky cameras are there.
I'll have to get a season ticket next year I think, that'll be over £300 though.
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Also, it's only £5 for my ticket at Forest on Monday night, and thats full price. I think it's a special price though because the Sky cameras are there.
I'll have to get a season ticket next year I think, that'll be over £300 though.
I get stopped and asked age every time I come into Arsenal, and I am allowed my junior ticket until I turn 19! Arsenal are quite good in that we still offer £13/£18 (A/B) tickets up until and including when you're 18. Unfortunately I usually have to pay full whack at away games - and because it's Arsenal, its always a category A. Always about £40 or something.
I get stopped and asked age every time I come into Arsenal, and I am allowed my junior ticket until I turn 19! Arsenal are quite good in that we still offer £13/£18 (A/B) tickets up until and including when you're 18. Unfortunately I usually have to pay full whack at away games - and because it's Arsenal, its always a category A. Always about £40 or something.
£40 is expensive, I'd pay it to see my club but it'd gripe me.
Personally, I think £16 is expensive for League 1, which is why I ask for junior and also why crowds have dropped from 8000 every week in the Conference to 6000 every week 2 leagues higher.
There's been similar questions asked about why our crowds have dropped over the past year or two every reason you could think of has been suggested, from the novelty of our promotion seasons wearing off for the fair weather supporters to people having less spare cash following the costs they incurred following last year's floods. Even the smoking ban has been cited as a possible reason why some people are choosing to stay away.
It's a odd one, because on the pitch we're as successful as we've been for quite a while, and special offers on matchday tickets don't really seem to do trick when we try them...
it is pricey and depends on the club. some of the really big ones you have to buy a membership to get any tickets. i've never been across the pond yet but i intend to one day. a friend of mine from ft.wayne,IN goes twice a year. he buys a spurs membership.
Wow - sounds pretty expensive to get Premier League tickets. 40 pounds is a lot of cash.
I'd love to visit the UK at some point and if I do I will definitely go to see a Premier League match - prefereably a Liverpool game but I don't want to get beat up by scousers 'cause I'm a Yank....
I'd love to visit the UK at some point and if I do I will definitely go to see a Premier League match - prefereably a Liverpool game but I don't want to get beat up by scousers 'cause I'm a Yank....
You could always go to the derby and sit in the Everton end, tell them you're Hicks' son or something and they'll greet you with open arms.I'd love to visit the UK at some point and if I do I will definitely go to see a Premier League match - prefereably a Liverpool game but I don't want to get beat up by scousers 'cause I'm a Yank....
You could always go to the derby and sit in the Everton end, tell them you're Hicks' son or something and they'll greet you with open arms.
I'd have to bite my tongue every time Liverpool scored.
Just out of interest, how much would it set you back to watch a top level sports game in the US – I'm thinking of an NFL or MLB game for example, between a couple of decent sides?
Similarly for any folk from continental Europe, how do our Premier League prices compare with those in your domestic top flight? I'm thinking ours might be a bit on the pricey side in comparison, but it would be interesting to hear exactly how they do compare...
Boston Red Sox ticket prices: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/ticketing/seating_pricing.jsp
New England Patriots ticket pricing: http://www.patriots.com/stadium/index.cfm?ac=ticketsales
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