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The Eduardo injury has (naturally) occupied our thoughts following yesterday's match, so unfortunately I don't think anyone has come forward and congratulated William Gallas on the high quality display of sulking he put on for us following the late penalty decision, and his bizarre one-man sit down protest following the final whistle.

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An excellent bit of toy-out-of-pram-throwing, William. Cap doffed. :)
 
5-1 now.

I quite like seeing newcastle lose, especially since they heralded Keegan as their saviour. Should've kept Big Sam.

Man U fans singing there is only one Keegan.

Yes, outclassed again, no surprise there.
Yes, you all hate us now.
Yes, the saviour stuff was moronic and stupid.
Yes, ManUre fans are hated more than NUFC fans.
Yes, there is a good chance of relegation.

NO, Big Sam should not have stayed, end of.
 
NO, Big Sam should not have stayed, end of.

Don't you think that getting behind and supporting Big Sam would have bought stability to the club which would have impacted on the players leading to better performances. Rather than going through a down turn as Sam was sacked and then the problems of bringing in a new manager who doesn't know the players.
 
Don't you think that getting behind and supporting Big Sam would have bought stability to the club which would have impacted on the players leading to better performances. Rather than going through a down turn as Sam was sacked and then the problems of bringing in a new manager who doesn't know the players.

in a word, no.

Fat Sam has rocked the stability of the club, the players and the fans. Just about everything he did and said was causing major problems. Obviously there has to be a long term view when a manager is at a club – but at all costs, no.

Even the players who Sam signed didnt want to play for him (and most were appalling), the fans would not continue to pay £35.00 (cheapest ticket for EPL) to watch out of date long ball football and so no revenue to cover costs. That style of play does not work anymore. The points tally when he was sacked was a smokescreen as they had fluked most of the points they acquired.

The recent slump in form is a lot to do with the recent fixture list, and that the first 3-4 months of the season was a lot easier in comparison – Derby have one win this season, against NUFC and 4 points in total while Sam was manager.

Alex Ferguson has stuck the knife in after Sam was sacked saying NUFC are a joke and ‘Sam is the man’ – guess who is Fergies only mate in the game – Fat Sam.

Sometimes other fans can have views made from the media hype and are blinded from reality (NUFC fans are as guilty as anyone judging by the circus whipped up on KK’s appointment, most of the fans there were too young to have been around for his previous roles).

Fat Sam is not the man, end of, and yes, it will take years for the club to recover.
 
Didn't Wenger have to come and collect him from the pitch? :rolleyes:
Kind off. Gallas only got up after he spotted his manager approaching him, and then slunked off the pitch sheepishly.

Wenger apparently thinks Gallas' actions prove his commitment, personally I don't think it's any way for a captain to behave – especially as he started his strop as the game was still being played.
 
A big post from me mainly with quotes from elsewhere, where people have said things as I feel, but more eloquently.

From this match report done live by a journo at the match:

Apologies for not watching the football for a couple of minutes - it's basically a training session anyway - but I've just seen a picture of Taylor's challenge, and it is completely and utterly disgraceful. Flying through the air studs up, he lunges in halfway up the shin of Eduardo's standing leg. The striker's leg clean snaps at a right angle; no wonder Fabregas was holding his head in his hands the minute he saw it. It's going to be an ethical dilemma for sports editors across the country, is this picture.

And we're off again: The half-time chat re Eduardo on Sky was a bit risible. Pundit - if you can call him that - David Platt didn't really want to talk about the challenge, changing the subject at every given opportunity. The tackle was shown at full speed, though in no detail, and much was made of how innocuous it initially looked. Which is neither here nor there. So just to reiterate: it really was an awful challenge by Taylor - who at least had the decency to leave the field looking shocked with his head in his hands. "Platt doesn't want to condemn Martin Taylor - so even that utterly disgraceful foul didn't penetrate his Media Training mantra: never say anything controversial," writes Gary Naylor. Preach on, brother.

This next one is a point a lot of Arsenal fans have been raising (the foreign thing). I'm not sure.

Whoever the co-'pundit' is on BBC Five Live, he spent half time defending Taylor's challenge, saying that Eduardo's dribbling meant it was understandable that Taylor would go in studs up," writes Ben Bellamy. "Who, in the name of God, defends a studs-up challenge? Utterly disgraceful." British media figure mealy-mouthed and disingenuous shock! British media figure mealy-mouthed and disingenuous shock! I wonder what would be said if Eduardo's injury had been suffered by Michael Owen, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard or Wayne Rooney? And if that injury had been visited upon them by - gasp - a foreign player? Just thinking aloud, ignore me.

"I've been seething at Ratcliffe's idiotic commentary on Five Live all through the match," writes Chris Applegate. "Earlier on he blamed Arsenal players for getting fouled as they take too many touches and try and avoid the man coming into tackle them. Idiot." Meanwhile Dave Agnew has been watching Score on BBC1: "Garth Crooks was saying Eduardo was 'a victim of his own pace and skill'. Both him and Gavin Peacock claimed it shouldn't have been a red for Martin Taylor; I never thought I'd say it, but thank god for Graham Poll. He described the tackle from a ref's perspective - that if they're coming in like that at pace, with studs raised and the player flicks the ball away then it has to be a red. Crooks and Peacock were arguing him down, claiming that you'd see the same thing in every game today with no action taken by the ref."

And this point on Gallas, which is exactly how I feel.

Wow, what a finish. Gallas crumples to the turf in tears. This is going to sound like the hoariest of clichés - so sue me - but you can tell the Arsenal captain really wanted that result for his team-mate Eduardo. He refuses to budge for three or four minutes, eventually being persuaded to get up by Arsene Wenger. Richard Keys, meanwhile, growls "get up son, sort yourself out". It's quite revealing that Sky's anchor has slipped into more of a sanctimonious funk over Gallas's minor tantrum than he did about the horror tackle which could easily have ended a talented young player's career, but that's the way it seems to be.

Onto an article from Arseblog. This is all bang on the money, I think - well worth reading.

Obviously though the main issue is what happened to Eduardo. Here’s the challenge that David Platt on Sky said wasn’t even worthy of a yellow card.

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That is the kind of challenge we should not accept. Not as fans. As administrators. As managers, players, pundits or anything else. It was absolutely deplorable and it’s been waiting to happen for years now.
Do I think Martin Taylor set out to break Eduardo’s leg? No. I think it’d be a very sick individual that did that. Do I think Martin Taylor decided to get ’stuck in’ to Eduardo, ‘just to show him he’s around’? Yes, I do. I think he wanted to get in a heavy challenge early in the game and perhaps put the Crozilian off his game. 99.9% of the time these ‘tackles’ don’t end up with serious injury but this time Taylor is that .01%.

Eduardo’s foot was planted on the floor, Taylor came in a foot over the ball - not 2 inches, not 6 inches, at least a foot - and he has a put at risk the career of a fellow professional. It was a horrific challenge. Sorry, but anyone who has played football knows from simply looking at that picture that the tackle was designed to hurt. You don’t leave the ground like that, you don’t lead with your studs like that if you’re not trying to hurt the opponent. To say it was ‘mistimed’ is simply trying to make excuses. I’m sure Taylor feels bad but so he should. He should feel like a ****ing piece of **** because what he did was as cowardly and appalling a tackle as I’ve seen in a long time. Here’s the slow-mo video of it, if you stomach it. But watch it and then try and tell me that Taylor didn’t set out to ‘do’ Eduardo. It was nothing to do with Eduardo being too quick, it was deliberate and downright dangerous.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel it's all interesting, relevant and largely accurate.
 
And this point on Gallas, which is exactly how I feel...

Onto an article from Arseblog. This is all bang on the money, I think - well worth reading.
Regarding Gallas' behaviour, I think the sentiments expressed in the link rather than the other extract quoted in your post are far closer to the mark. Yes, you can perhaps argue that Gallas wanted to 'win the game for Eduardo' and that he was still upset after witnessing one of his team mates injured so horribly – quite understandably – but his actions did nothing to help Eduardo or his team. I really think he let them down with his actions, as a senior player and team captain he has a responsibility to lead the team even when things are going against them.

Moving away from Gallas and back to the events right at the start of the match – the only person who really knows exactly what intent there was in that challenge is Taylor himself. I'll accept totally that he didn't mean the tackle to have the terrible result it did – had he meant to break Eduardo's leg he needs locking up – but how much he intended to 'do' his opponent is a matter of conjecture. One thing that really can't be argued is that the red card was totally warranted, as intent or not it was clearly dangerous play.

I really wouldn't bother paying any attention to the thoughts of Garth Crooks or Gavin Peacock either. They're one of the reasons why I value the 'mute' button on my remote so highly.
 
I have been out of the loop with this weekends football as I have been in London. Anyway with regard to this Eduardo story.

I feel so sorry for the guy. Almost 18 months ago I broke my leg badly and he faces a very long, slow process to getting back up and playing again. However, he is lucky as he will have some of the best surgeons and physiotherapists in the world to help him. On the NHS as soon as you can walk un-aided they loose interest! It was a bad tackle, however comments by a Birmingham player on the BBC website are an utter disgrace:

"I think Mr Wenger's comments after the game were so harsh," said Kelly.

"That is disgraceful talk from Arsene Wenger. It is terrible. You know the way Martin is. He slid along the ground.

"He has gone in with one foot. You see players going in week in and week out, diving in with two feet, and lunging and that sort of thing is a disgraceful challenge.

"It is a terrible thing for Wenger to say, especially about someone like Martin."

Kelly added: "It wasn't a malicious tackle and the reason the ref has sent him off is because he has seen Eduardo has broken his leg.

"I don't think you can send a player off for that. That's football. It can happen. It is an accident."
 
Kelly has a point though. AW's comments were a disgrace, he has since retracted them. No one around me in the crowd thought it was a bad challenge, it happened so quick. The stills do make it look a bad challenge though. Taylor challenged from almost a standing position, it's not as he dived in at full speed (like an Arsenal player did last week when Nani was showboating - what would have happened if he caught Nani's leg?). Accidents happen, football is a contact sport.

Seems the football world are convinced it was more of an accident rather than any intent. It's not the world of Football against Arsenal, just common sense.
 
That Nani incident reminds me of this "tackle" on Kerlon

What an awesome move. :D

Re: the Nani incident...Nani could have been in the same situation as poor Eduardo if that tackle had connected.

But I don't see how anyone could argue against giving Taylor a straight red - the rule on that isn't only about intent - It probably wasn't a totally malicious challenge but it was clearly reckless. If you can argue that red card away then what on earth is a red card for?

Going forward though, I'm not sure how to prevent this unless refs are more strict about carding players every single time they lead with studs in a tackle, or even look like they're leading with the studs. If half a dozen players get sent off a few weekends in a row it would send a message - otherwise these sorts of things will repeat themselves.
 
Do wish people would stop basing their lambasting of Taylor based on the stills pictures of the tackle. MOTD have shown the tackle from the opposite angle and Tiny's foot is clearly coming from the side on the floor trying to play the ball.
 
Arsenal.com statement said:
Earlier today (Monday 25th February), the Orthopaedic surgeon and Arsenal medical staff assessed the extent of the damage and possible time scale for a full recovery.

All being well, Eduardo will have his leg in plaster and using crutches for the next six to eight weeks. After that time, partial weight-bearing exercises will be scheduled into a slow rehabilitation process.

It is hoped that Eduardo will be running again in six months time and making a full recovery after nine months.

Eduardo will be released from hospital in a few days.


The news is encouraging.
 
The news is encouraging.

Still going to be 2009 before he plays :(

Do wish people would stop basing their lambasting of Taylor based on the stills pictures of the tackle. MOTD have shown the tackle from the opposite angle and Tiny's foot is clearly coming from the side on the floor trying to play the ball.

Are you STILL saying that wasn't a red card? You must honestly be one of the only ones left who think that, having seen the video. Red card's are given for dangerous play. Whether he wanted to get the ball or not, it's pretty ****ing dangerous if he's broken his leg isn't it?

(Sorry xUKHCx - was trying to fix it myself!)
 
<groan> Man City down by 2 and I have Richards, Petrov and Benjani on my fantasy team. :eek:

Everton have been quietly putting in some solid performances; it's going to be quite a fight for 4th place this season unless Liverpool finally find their form.
 
Firstly great news about Eduardo, as I said before he a player that I genuinely want to go and watch, he is going to be total class, assuming he can shake this.

Also he has been very classy in his handling of this whole saga.

(Sorry xUKHCx - was trying to fix it myself!)

No problemo it is just a reflex now.

<groan> Man City down by 2 and I have Richards, Petrov and Benjani on my fantasy team. :eek:

Everton have been quietly putting in some solid performances; it's going to be quite a fight for 4th place this season unless Liverpool finally find their form.

I just checked the fixture list, I was confident before doing that that we have the class to make it to fourth, however I would say that Everton have an easier run to the end and it could come down to the derby on the 30th.

I would've preferred a draw in this game as both Man City and Everton are around us but if one team had to win I would obviously prefer it to be Man City.
 
So Man City got man-handled there...:eek:

I expected a better game, and Petrov's sending off at the end was the icing on the cake. :rolleyes:

Everton have two more wins than Liverpool and are only down 4 in goal difference. They look set to give the other Champions League hopefuls a run for their money in the battle for 4th.
 
But in important news, MK Dons beat Swansea City to reach the final of the JPT. The most important silverware outside of the Champions League. MK Dons have had 3 penalty shoot outs this season, and not missed one. I could see why as well, quality penalties.

Not that I'm not already sick of hearing about it, but according to The Sun (So take it with a large pinch of salt) Martin Taylor has been to visit Eduardo in hospital. I agree it was a horrible challenge, a sending off, all that... But I hope we're not still arguing that he actually meant to do it...
 
Are you STILL saying that wasn't a red card? You must honestly be one of the only ones left who think that, having seen the video. Red card's are given for dangerous play. Whether he wanted to get the ball or not, it's pretty ****ing dangerous if he's broken his leg isn't it?

yes I STILL believe it wasn't a red-card. On this one I truly believe it was simply a freak accident. I know Arsenal are experts at getting red cards and may be I should listen to you but I really don't feel it was a bad tackle just an horrible out come.
 
yes I STILL believe it wasn't a red-card. On this one I truly believe it was simply a freak accident. I know Arsenal are experts at getting red cards and may be I should listen to you but I really don't feel it was a bad tackle just an horrible out come.

Very true (maybe it's a blues thing). my feeling is the reaction of the Arsenal players, normally if a bad challenge has gone in then all the team usually charge at the player. This didn't happen with taylor.
 
I still think is was a red card. Intent aside (and I certainly don't think Taylor intended to break Eduardo's leg), it turned out to be a dangerous tackle. It was a combination of Taylor being too slow and misjudging it and Eduardo's speed that allowed it to happen.

Above all, this should be a red card because anything else would be a tacit acceptance that this sort of thing is part of the game and it shouldn't be. Arsenal themselves have been guilty of getting away with a few dangerous tackles recently (as mentioned above) and I'd like to see officials throwing out more red cards to make players think twice about getting stuck in recklessly.

If this injury had happened to Eduardo in Pele's day he'd certainly never play again. If it happened 20 years before that there'd be a decent chance he'd die of complications. This is no joke.
 
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