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His game offers much much more than just goals and finishing.

Yes, I like him a lot, but the truth lies somewhere in the middle for his finishing, he actually needs almost twice as many chances to score as any other Liverpool striker, and he misses a lot of good chance, his height gives him a great advantage against most defenders, but his conversion rate isn't great.

Kuyt on the other hand is deadly but doesn;t get as many chances, as is Bellamy when he's not tossing his teddies...

Having said that I'd rather have him in the red shirt than have him jumping against Carra...
 
Yes, I like him a lot, but the truth lies somewhere in the middle for his finishing, he actually needs almost twice as many chances to score as any other Liverpool striker, and he misses a lot of good chance, his height gives him a great advantage against most defenders, but his conversion rate isn't great.

Kuyt on the other hand is deadly but doesn;t get as many chances, as is Bellamy when he's not tossing his teddies...

Having said that I'd rather have him in the red shirt than have him jumping against Carra...

You can't score as many goals as he has by being a poor finisher. Poor heading, yes.

I don't think his goals to chance ration is that important as the stat doesn't account for chance difficulty.

The thing I was most against is saying that he isn't good enough for Liverpool or England when he is top club scorer and has 11 goals in 10 starts for England.
 
Well, you have to agree that those finishes (beautiful as they are!!) have some element of luck in it...

Having a player like Crouch is such a bonus. It is so hard to defend such a tall player. But you do need an agile attacker to partner with him up front.
So, a Rooney - Crouch partnership is perfect for the England squad IMHO.
 
Well, you have to agree that those finishes (beautiful as they are!!) have some element of luck in it...


I don't see any element of luck, whatsoever. That is all down to Crouch and his ability to finnish. There are many other examples of him having good finishing ability.
 
Yeah dreadful :rolleyes:

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Not only is he a very good finisher, but he is top scorer for his club this season and has an unbelievable record for his country. With his amazing goals to games ratio for England, saying he isn't good enough for the country is ignorant.

His game offers much much more than just goals and finishing.


Yeah dreadful. Would Kuyt have missed Crouch's headed chance in the second half today?

Crouch is 6'7" tall and should be 'unplayable.' But his finishing is woeful at best (a few fancy volley's doesn't cover the fact that he regularly fails to convert unchallenged headers when six yards from goal), he's not exactly 'mobile' and cannot 'lead the line.'

Yes, I believe, rightly or wrongly, that he isn't good enough to play for England. He isn't as 'deadly' a finisher as Owen, Bent of Defoe, plus he isn't mobile enough for international football (despite what his record shows) and he is completely unable to use is major asset (his height) effectively. An 'international' defender would marshal Crouch out the game quite easily.
 
(a few fancy volley's doesn't cover the fact that he regularly fails to convert unchallenged headers when six yards from goal), he's not exactly 'mobile' and cannot 'lead the line.'


As I've already explained to you, it isn't just a few fancy volleys, he is the clubs top scorer. To be top scorer in a top side like Liverpool and be a bad finisher must take some doing.

As for not mobile enough, did you not see those over head kicks? I guess you mean straight line speed. In which case, no he isn't the fastest, but he more than makes up for it in other areas.


Would Kuyt have missed Crouch's headed chance in the second half today?

Would Crouch have missed the sitter at the back post that Kuyt missed? Swings and roundabouts.

He isn't as 'deadly' a finisher as Owen, Bent of Defoe

Bent and Defoe, more deadly than Crouch. Do you even watch the game. He has proven, beyond doubt that he is a better goal scorer than both Bent and Defoe at international level.

An 'international' defender would marshal Crouch out the game quite easily.

Except 11 times in 10 starts you mean? He has scored goals against top clubs, in the premier league, in the cups and in Europe. I guess some people can't see how much of a talented footballer he is because he is tall, this theory went out of the window when he started banging goals in for club and country on a regular basis.

I don't think that many people understand that you need different types of strikers to play different types of teams. Jose Mourinho acknowledged this today after Crouch's control and hold up play made Chelsea look ordinary.

There has been many times, against top international defenders (like Chelsea in the charity shield and Man Utd in the FA Cup) where he has scored, and with his head at that. Heading soft floated crosses isn't his strong point, this doesn't make him a bad finisher though.
 
As I've already explained to you, it isn't just a few fancy volleys...

When you consider that his competition is Bellamy ( :eek: ), a 'has-been' in Fowler (who was once one of the finest finishers the game has ever seen) and Kuyt (still settling in his first season in the Premiership) it isn't that much of an achievement. :p

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Crouch's ability, or lack of. ;) :D
 
10 goals in 11 international starts is an enviable tally, certainly... but you do have to remember that of those 11, 7 of them came against Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Andorra, and FYR Macedonia – not exactly heavyweights of international football.

Crouch is, however, a remarkable dancer. :)
 
We'll just have to agree to disagree on Crouch's ability, or lack of. ;) :D


Well, I will agree that all the facts are there and that you can look past them if you like.

10 goals in 11 international starts is an enviable tally, certainly... but you do have to remember that of those 11, 7 of them came against Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Andorra, and FYR Macedonia – not exactly heavyweights of international football.

Crouch is, however, a remarkable dancer. :)

In which case, I demand every footballer to have a recount of there tally. Taking out goals against teams like watford, sunderland etc etc etc etc etc. Only goals against Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd should count, hardly heavyweights of the premiership otherwise. You can of course, only score against the team that you are playing against and he has scored against top premiership teams.

Funny how other players didn't score that many when given the chance, isn't it. Even then, no matter what the opposition, you have to finish the chance and to finnish the chance you have to be a good finisher.
 
Yeah dreadful :rolleyes:

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Not only is he a very good finisher, but he is top scorer for his club this season and has an unbelievable record for his country. With his amazing goals to games ratio for England, saying he isn't good enough for the country is ignorant.

His game offers much much more than just goals and finishing.

Yah, you keep thinking that. Only decent think Crouch did for his country was his Robot Dance. ;)

Bring on the Arse!
 
In which case, I demand every footballer to have a recount of there tally. Taking out goals against teams like watford, sunderland etc etc etc etc etc. Only goals against Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd should count, hardly heavyweights of the premiership otherwise.
Fair enough. By my reckoning, Crouch has only found the net once in the seven games against that lot so far this season – in the Community Shield last summer. I think he needs to pull his socks up. ;)
 
Yah, you keep thinking that. Only decent think Crouch did for his country was his Robot Dance. ;)

Bring on the Arse!

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It will be a great game today.

I hope Arsenal win as they are such a great team when they are on form. But in a way I don't think Chelsea deserve to win (sorry buy) the title so if Man Utd win the game I am not too bothered as long as they go on and win the league.
 
All's well that ends well... Thanks, Henry...! :D

And hopefully AJ's injury from earlier today won't be too severe... I'm a bit worried about that... cannot fully enjoy the three points... :(
 
All's well that ends well... Thanks, Henry...! :D

And hopefully AJ's injury from earlier today won't be too severe... I'm a bit worried about that... cannot fully enjoy the three points... :(

They're saying he could have broken his ankle, Mitt, so it doesn't look good at the moment.

Very happy to have woken up at 4.30am and watched BBC sport refresh with news of Thierry's winning goal against Man Utd! Gotta love Ferguson's response: "We won't lose like that again" pfffft.
 
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