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I’m hopeful that people might soon stop thinking in terms of right vs left, and focus instead on extreme vs normal. There’s been far too much extremity this past 10 years. Calm rational folk rarely get heard over the noise.
Well said; I’ve been trying to impress this very point on my Dad recently. As soon as someone says they’re right or left, the rest of the discussion is lost to bias and arrogance.
 
It's comical that so many think a mega-corporation is supposed to fight on behalf of your political beliefs. Apple isn't a political organization and they will kiss the rear of whoever is in office just like they did Biden, Bush, and Obama in order to advance the interest of their shareholders. Tim is doing exactly what a good corporate leader is supposed to.
Yep. Expecting a corporation to fix a country's political/social issues is akin to walking into KFC and demanding a Big Mac.

"That's not what we sell".
 
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Well said and this Left vs Right is the perfect example of divide and conquer.
The show could have taken a better approach and study both sides.
No one has seen it yet so it’s maybe a little early to pass judgement on the approach.

That said my point really is that perpetrators of evil deeds whomever they might be shouldn’t been seen through the lens of right or left, just good/normal or bad/nuts.
 
The show is another bog standard left-wing narrative about the ‘far-right’. Is this the trillionth time a drama series has focused on this topic??

As leftist political violence increases, it was probably a bad idea to put out a shameless propaganda piece at this time.

No - it's a show about the heroes who work every day to stop violence before it happens.
 
The show is another bog standard left-wing narrative about the ‘far-right’. Is this the trillionth time a drama series has focused on this topic??

As leftist political violence increases, it was probably a bad idea to put out a shameless propaganda piece at this time.
Even with the increase, right-wing violence is still a far larger issue.
 
I think her statement is very reasonable. The show is currently a meme because the trailer gives the impression it’s worldview is that all political violence comes from the right, but perhaps it will be more balanced than that.
It's clear which side it comes from. There is no balance. DOJ statistics are heavily skewed by lumping everything in with right-wing violence. When you review them on a case by case basis, the left is far more violent.
 
Without mentioning Jan 6, name other instances of RW violence.

June 2025 assassination of the Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband in their home.

(Politically motivated violence has been a tracked and known thing for decades .. it's exceptionally easy data to find if you're honestly looking for it.)
 
Show isn’t even controversial. Most police procedurals feature cults, gangs, KKK etc and take them out. Broadcasters now living in fear and making fear based decision making.

Timing is perfect for the show too. No way this would have been shelved under any other right or left administration.

Anyone that supports this sort of climate needs to look fascism up in the dictionary and take a long hard look at themselves.
 
From the CATO institute (founded by a Koch .. absolutely not "left leaning")


Note that this data excludes 9/11 (2nd chart includes it)


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Without mentioning Jan 6, name other instances of RW violence.
It's telling you're going to ask me to dismiss an attack on the Capitol as if it wasn't one of the most concerning incidents in history.

Charleston. Tree Of Life. El Paso Walmart. LA Protest. George Floyd. Thomas Matthew-Kroll. Paul Pelosi. Anderson Lee Aldrich. Buffalo supermarket.

Your premise is still flawed. You're doing that same stuff the deceased podcaster tried to pull on college students. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1567580041291874
 
You guys thinking Apple should have released this film have zero idea what is going on in this country right now.

I thought it was weird when that actress was listing all the violent incidences in this country, and left out what was by far the most domestic violence this country has seen since maybe the Covil War, the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020

And then that movie has all middle aged, overweight, white guys as the problem…

It plays right into what conservatives have been complaining about:

 
You guys thinking Apple should have released this film have zero idea what is going on in this country right now.

I thought it was weird when that actress was listing all the violent incidences in this country, and left out what was by far the most domestic violence this country has seen since maybe the Covil War, the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020

And then that movie has all middle aged, overweight, white guys as the problem…

It plays right into what conservatives have been complaining about:

Why are you people so much more concerned about property damage than harm to actual human beings.

The GOP, as a whole, are wrong.

It's okay to say that.
 
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That movie is probably the same old Democrat propaganda we’ve been hearing for decades now.

But the thing is, anyone who’s really paying attention, and not just listening to propaganda, realizes Democrats surrendered any supeiriority they thought they had on the issue of race with the election of Joe Biden.

All Democrats do with minorities is use them as props.

 
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Why are you people so much more concerned about property damage than harm to actual human beings.

Conservatives, as a whole, are wrong.

It's okay to say that.
It’s okay to say that.

It’s just ridiculously uninformed.

Like your comment that conservatives only care about property damage…. That’s something you got from listening to far too much Democrat propaganda.
 
The data is clear, leftists and their various self-deified sub-groups, which cannot be criticised under any circumstances by good obedient ‘white liberals’, are the ones causing the massive increase in political violence. I have sympathy for the white cis liberals on the left, they dare not speak out unless they have the resources to defend themselves like J.K. Rowling. So, they must nod their heads and smile as the various minority groups who now dominate leftist discourse bully and tell them what to think.

Can the actual liberals on the left actually detox the left and steer it away from the growing ‘assassination culture’ that is emerging. Where were the liberals on the left when the far-left ( who dominate the narrative ) were gloating and celebrating the assassination of the United Health Care CEO, Brian Thompson? Charlie Kirk?

 
The data is clear, leftists and their various self-deified sub-groups, which cannot be criticised under any circumstances by good obedient ‘white liberals’, are the ones causing the massive increase in political violence. I have sympathy for the white cis liberals on the left, they dare not speak out unless they have the resources to defend themselves like J.K. Rowling. So, they must nod their heads and smile as the various minority groups who now dominate leftist discourse bully and tell them what to think.

Can the actual liberals on the left actually detox the left and steer it away from the growing ‘assassination culture’ that is emerging. Where were the liberals on the left when the far-left ( who dominate the narrative ) were gloating and celebrating the assassination of the United Health Care CEO, Brian Thompson? Charlie Kirk?

As posted earlier, the data says that right wing has killed 6 times the number of people as the left wing in politically motivated attacks.

But you think a paper that says people on the left are more likely to justify the killing of far right leaders is more important? Run the same study with Obama and Soros instead of 47 and Musk and you'll likely get the opposite results.
 
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I think her statement is very reasonable. The show is currently a meme because the trailer gives the impression it’s worldview is that all political violence comes from the right, but perhaps it will be more balanced than that.
The vast majority of it does and this is a fact. The show is realistic. Also what happened to the First Amendment?

Considering cancelling my recent large order over this.
 
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Apple needs to get out of the business of financing the production of TV and Movies. It's not their core business and is a distraction.
The company is made up of many departments with managers overseeing each one. It's not like they are asking the develeopment team to stop working on iOS to go help make sandwhiches for the cast and crew.
 
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As posted earlier, the data says that right wing has killed 6 times the number of people as the left wing in politically motivated attacks.

But you think a paper that says people on the left are more likely to justify the killing of far right leaders is more important? Run the same study with Obama and Soros instead of 47 and Musk and you'll likely get the opposite results.

On the far-right, that might be correct. The issue, however, is that the so called center left are celebrating and justifying assassinations.

The logic is, everyone they disagree with is a ’Nazi’, therefore it’s ok. This ‘everyone is a Nazi so killing them is fine’ rhetoric doesn’t exist on the mainstream right. Mainstream right thinks leftists are ‘loony’ not ‘evil’.
 
On the far-right, that might be correct. The issue, however, is that the so called center left are celebrating and justifying assassinations.

The logic is, everyone they disagree with is a ’Nazi’, therefore it’s ok. This ‘everyone is a Nazi so killing them is fine’ rhetoric doesn’t exist on the mainstream right. Mainstream right thinks leftists are ‘loony’ not ‘evil’.
Except you can find your “opposite number” saying exactly the same from the opposite perspective.

You rhetoric, and you hypothetical opposite number’s rhetoric, is not helping.

You are escalating polarisation. That will lead to more aggression and more re violence, not yet.

Stop thinking this is a situation whether there’s a good side and a bad side, a winner and a loser, because it’s not a movie. You’re not a hero, and they’re not villains. ( or vice versa )

It’s a lose/lose situation until you realise it is not a zero sum game, and you stop thinking of “us and them”.

Because the more this goes on, the more the economy, and credibility, goes down the toilet.
 
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