'The Savant' Star Jessica Chastain Says Apple TV+ Delay Is Wrong Call Amid Violence

[Johnny907]

I'm not surprised at all.
Objectively, the Right has "news" sources that are lying them -- flat out.

I have a brother who's wrapped up in it and I hear things from him, daily, that are diametrically opposed with factual reality.

Um. And you trust those other “news” sources still, despite the mountains of documents that have been released in the last year confirming government manipulation as high as the White House?
What is it going to take to convince people journalism is effectively dead at this point, buried under its own corruption and bias? That anyone still thinks “their side” is still legit after two decades of evidence to the contrary just blows my mind.

 

[IJustWannaTalk]

Yes, things shift this way and that over time. This entire post exists because a left wing radical assassinated a right wing figure.

Alleged. And y'all turned some annoying podcaster picking on college kids into a deity and got pissed when not everyone else saw him that way—while many on the right were calling for another civil war.

 

[BaldiMac]

Even the left-leaning Atlantic now admits that left-wing political violence is rising.

Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

For the first time in more than 30 years, attacks by the far left outnumber those by the far right.

www.theatlantic.com

Sure. Rising. Doesn't change what I said. The article purposely doesn't distinguish between a single person and organized political violence. Which is fine, but doesn't refute my point.

And there's a reason you started with the 1970s instead of the 1960s.

Okay? Are the 60s relevant to a modern series? I could have stopped with the 80s,90s, 2000s, and the point would still be the same.

 

[Macaholic868]

Yep, my virgin years and eyes can’t handle a drama about somebody who infiltrates hate groups. We know that organized domestic terrorism is generally a fringe right-wing thing here in the USA and it’s not exactly a new phenomenon.

See January 6th, Charleston, The Oklahoma City bombing back in the 90’s while Clinton was in office, etc.

That’s not to say there aren’t hate groups on the left but in terms of quantity and the number of actual attacks, it’s not even close.

So IMO this is Tim Cook further kissing the ring and not wanting to release a work of fiction that no doubt depicts some right wing hate groups due the facts about what’s been going on since the 90’s, just to avoid ticking off the clown who presently occupies the Oval Office, his cronies in this increasingly authoritarian regime and the merry bunch of fools who get their “news” from dressed up right-wing entertainment companies like Fox News, etc. who aren’t interested in reporting on the truth, just in stirring up controversy among the mindless masses who refuse to pickup and read a few history books.

But I digress.

 

[jarman92]

Yes, things shift this way and that over time. This entire post exists because a left wing radical assassinated a right wing figure.

OK? And before that a right-wing radical assassinated a Democratic lawmaker and her husband (and her dog). The fact is the vast majority of political violence in this country is committed by right-wing extremists.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Um. And you trust those other “news” sources still, despite the mountains of documents that have been released in the last year confirming government manipulation as high as the White House?
What is it going to take to convince people journalism is effectively dead at this point, buried under its own corruption and bias? That anyone still thinks “their side” is still legit after two decades of evidence to the contrary just blows my mind.

With where we are now, I'm talking about literally lying about "what happened" on topics.

Things one can go seek out on their own, no news source intermediary needed, and see plain as day that lying is happening.

Heck, one could go point for point on Trump at the UN yesterday and find factual, objective, lie after lie after lie.

Granted, I think everyone knows he's been a serial lifetime liar.
All of us who remember his life way before politics knew that about him in particular.

 

[BaldiMac]

Yes, things shift this way and that over time. This entire post exists because a left wing radical assassinated a right wing figure.

Do we have any evidence that he was a "left wing radical". Or is that just an assumption because of his target? Honest question.

Things like "CHAZ" in Seattle and the 3-month long riots in Portland a few years ago aren't just organic protests. They are coordinated.

Coordinated protests (your words) aren't the same thing as "left-wing terrorist groups."

 

[Plutonius]

Translation: I play the main character so Apple should not delay the series and affect my accolades.

 

[BaldiMac]

Um. And you trust those other “news” sources still, despite the mountains of documents that have been released in the last year confirming government manipulation as high as the White House?
What is it going to take to convince people journalism is effectively dead at this point, buried under its own corruption and bias? That anyone still thinks “their side” is still legit after two decades of evidence to the contrary just blows my mind.

Are you one of those people who believe 45 when he said that the Biden White House manipulated the 2020 election?

 

[coolfactor]

Everyone is scared of everything. What a world we live in.

The world's most powerful "leader" is literally using fear as a tool to keep the spotlight shining in his direction.

We are living in interesting times.

 

[coolfactor]

I’m hopeful that people might soon stop thinking in terms of right vs left, and focus instead on extreme vs normal. There’s been far too much extremity this past 10 years. Calm rational folk rarely get heard over the noise.

Agreed!! I read FoxNews article commentary simply for the head-shaking entertainment. The black-and-white thinking is soooo visible.

My interpretation of many comments: "One guy hates Trump, so all Left are toxic people"

It's crazy talk.

Pausing in times of conflict and confusion are useful tools. If more drivers paused for a moment, there'd be far less rage incidents.

Pausing is not the same as cancelling.

 

[Happy_John]

So here's my (unsolicited) "ouside of the USA" view>>>

1. You've all gone completely mental in the USA ( Or at least, you've willingly handed the reins over to lunatics). The Maga crowd obviously have, but a lot of the more vocal opposition to Maga are equally mental. e.g. online pundits on MeidasTouch are NOT presenting themselves as the voice of reason, instead they're mirroring MAGA by aiming to get as many people foaming at the mouth as possible.

2. There is no mainstream "right" or"left" in the USA. There is "right/centre right" vs "right/further right". Branding centre right politicians as "leftists", "socialists" and "communists" is just very very silly. Taking ahistorical perspective, Richard Nixon was more "left" than most of the figures that are being branded as "leftists".

3. It would help for the American population en masse to spend less time on social media, and more time actually process and developing an opinion based of facts, not on binging on polarizing pundits.

4. Apple are a Corporation who are only interested in protecting themselves. They are not a political or social organization. It is idiocy to think they are anything else except a for profit organization, but it is equally idiotic to be outraged that they choose to protect their own value. Corporations don't hold the solution other than bad politics, so don't be portaged when they are not ostcikign their necks out.

5. It's more than a little childish to vilify Cook for sucking it up and humiliating himself for the good of the shareholders. That's precisely why he is paid - that's the job of the CEO.

5. I do not believe for a minute that any commenter here, if they were in Cook's shoes, would do anything other than be subservient and obsequious to Trump. It's easy to pretend you are brave when you are not in a position where your supposed bravery is actually put to the test. It's just "big talk" with no real commitment.

6. Threads like this are exactly why tech forums should be about tech, not about politics. Go bang on about how people with different political views to you are "monsters/scum/etc" on a political forum. There's no shortage of them.

 

[WWP99]

Tim Apple can just give Trump another gold gift and then it will be okay to release the show, right?

 

[coolfactor]

Um. And you trust those other “news” sources still, despite the mountains of documents that have been released in the last year confirming government manipulation as high as the White House?
What is it going to take to convince people journalism is effectively dead at this point, buried under its own corruption and bias? That anyone still thinks “their side” is still legit after two decades of evidence to the contrary just blows my mind.

Wouldn't that include "your side", too? What makes one side better than the other?

To view the world through a negative lens is to see everything in a negative way. Wouldn't that mean the lens is the issue, not the world?

Apple is taking a pause, not cancelling. The strong reaction to this seems to be triggered by fear of cancel culture, but taking a step back shows that's not the situation. Paused, not cancelled.

 

[Happy_John]

Wouldn't that include "your side", too? What makes one side better than the other?

To view the world through a negative lens is to see everything in a negative way. Wouldn't that mean the lens is the issue, not the world?

Apple is taking a pause, not cancelling. The strong reaction to this seems to be triggered by fear of cancel culture, but taking a step back shows that's not the situation. Paused, not cancelled.

"Taking sides" is what escalates this madness. In the lose/lose situation that this is, Apple is trying not to take sides - because, right now, all they want to be doing is selling loads and loads of this year's iPhones.

Ultimately, and we can see this on this thread as much as everywhere else, there;'s far too many people today who prefer arguing and being angry with some "other" they can blame they inadequacies on than find a solution which leads to less people being bloody shot by idiots with guns.

 

[jhowarth]

After what happened in Dallas this morning sinks in, you can kiss that show goodbye.

 

[IJustWannaTalk]

After what happened in Dallas this morning sinks in, you can kiss that show goodbye.

He shot DETAINEES?

If only there was something that connected most of these killings.

Say, some kind of specific tool that seems to give weak people outsize power.

If ONLY we could connect this violence somehow.

 

[contacos]

Wild to watch the US keep censoring itself. It sounds all too similar to the beginning of Germany in the N... era.

I used to wonder how Putin remains in power but not anymore! We can watch it all over again in real time by following US news. No one dares to say anything anymore because they are too worried about their own position / career and just smile and clap away and then you got people actually defending him on here when they'd be the first ones on the next plane out if "Gilead" was knocking on the door. You'd think the president of AMERICA would be here for all it's people, not just the ones following along. Sickening

I am so glad we don't have a two party system and parties actually need to work with each other to get anything done. The whole Republican VS Democrats thing is so ridiculous like "boohoo this idea comes from the Dems, we are not gonna vote yes on it out of principal!"

 

[victorvictoria]

Well, Chastain may have a vested interest in not cancelling the show.

 

[Obioban]

Hard to be sad. The show looked pretty freaking terrible.

 

[Happy_John]

Well, Chastain may have a vested interest in not cancelling the show.

She's an executive producer on the show, which means she more than likely invested money into the making of the show, and expects a return on investment. So of course she has a vested interest.

But that doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. Any "star" actor will be an executive producer on a TV show they are a part of. That's just how the business works.

 

[Cuesca]

So here's my (unsolicited) "ouside of the USA" view>>>

1. You've all gone completely mental in the USA ( Or at least, you've willingly handed the reins over to lunatics). The Maga crowd obviously have, but a lot of the more vocal opposition to Maga are equally mental. e.g. online pundits on MeidasTouch are NOT presenting themselves as the voice of reason, instead they're mirroring MAGA by aiming to get as many people foaming at the mouth as possible.

2. There is no mainstream "right" or"left" in the USA. There is "right/centre right" vs "right/further right". Branding centre right politicians as "leftists", "socialists" and "communists" is just very very silly. Taking ahistorical perspective, Richard Nixon was more "left" than most of the figures that are being branded as "leftists".

3. It would help for the American population en masse to spend less time on social media, and more time actually process and developing an opinion based of facts, not on binging on polarizing pundits.

4. Apple are a Corporation who are only interested in protecting themselves. They are not a political or social organization. It is idiocy to think they are anything else except a for profit organization, but it is equally idiotic to be outraged that they choose to protect their own value. Corporations don't hold the solution other than bad politics, so don't be portaged when they are not ostcikign their necks out.

5. It's more than a little childish to vilify Cook for sucking it up and humiliating himself for the good of the shareholders. That's precisely why he is paid - that's the job of the CEP.

5. I do not believe for a minute that any commenter here, if they were in Cook's shoes, would do anything other than be subservient and obsequious to Trump. It's easy to pretend you are brave when you are not in a position when your supposed bravery is actually put to the test. It's just "big talk" with no real commitment.

6. Threads like this are exactly why tech forums should be about tech, not about politics. Go bang on about how people with different political views to you are "monsters/scum/etc" on a political forum. There's no shortage of them.

Thank you for interjecting some sense into this back and forth. Nothing good can come from keeping this thread open IMHO.

 

[canadianreader]

I’m hopeful that people might soon stop thinking in terms of right vs left, and focus instead on extreme vs normal. There’s been far too much extremity this past 10 years. Calm rational folk rarely get heard over the noise.

Well said and this Left vs Right is the perfect example of divide and conquer.
The show could have taken a better approach and study both sides.

 

[CEmajr]

It's comical that so many think a mega-corporation is supposed to fight on behalf of your political beliefs. Apple isn't a political organization and they will kiss the rear of whoever is in office just like they did Biden, Bush, and Obama in order to advance the interest of their shareholders. Tim is doing exactly what a good corporate leader is supposed to.

 

[Boeingfan]

Take away the guns. Americans are only defending themselves from each other. ‘The right to bear arms’ can be changed to mean slingshots or dreadfully harsh words 🤣