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I think the Retina moniker means…we cannot discern pixels. That was reported as accurate by everyone who tested it
“Discern pixels” is quite an imprecise phrase. I can watch a DVD on my 4K TV, and I may not know where one image pixel ends and the next begins, but the image sure isn’t as sharp and detailed as a 4K movie on the same display. Either this device has a PPD that meets or exceeds other Retina-level devices at a typical viewing distance, or it doesn’t. Simple math shows that it is much closer to the density of pre-Retina Apple displays.

If a 4K wide display were enough to cover a ~100° FOV, there would be no point in Apple selling 5K and 6K monitors.
 
Yeah he’s next level. Beyond fanboy. He actually said this:


Even if you’re bullish on the product that’s a laughable take. Did Apple even show anyone using it outside the home/office in the keynote?
Not only did they not show it being used outside but there weren’t photos of any Apple senior executives wearing the device. No one with half a brain is walking around in public with this.
 
People are really mean to John Gruber, and I’m not exactly sure why he inspires such rage. I don’t love everything he says, but this is what it is — a fun bonus part to WWDC where we get to hear some fan questions that execs don’t usually get asked. It’s enjoyable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Really eye opening that it seems they rushed the Reality Pro to the show when it's not even a finalized product. I wonder if they were worried about leaks, copycats? ARP just seems like it's a couple of generations away (and according to Kuo they are already working on consumer versions) away.
Or for developers to get started on working on their apps for this new system before full launch.
 
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Not only did they not show it being used outside but there weren’t photos of any Apple senior executives wearing the device. No one with half a brain is walking around in public with this.
They did show one spatial video that was captured outside, though…
 
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Did not see the full show yet. But Craig with the guitar in the end was good to see.
 
So much pointless hate in this thread.

Gruber has lines to stay within, or the execs will shut down as clams. He may - and does - ask some uncomfortable questions but he doesn’t push it like a digging reporter might; he only makes it obvious that there are community questions, and in turn makes it impossible for Apple leadership to claim they haven’t heard. The execs are coached in giving non-answers to questions they don’t want to speak about. Nobody should expect big reveals of the future roadmap of Apple from this - or any - event.

The guy is nervous - he doesn’t do stage stuff nearly enough to be used to it. I can’t blame him for that.

The one part I would like improved for future events is I would like to hear more actual questions: Too many times Gruber basically gave his interviewees a plausible answer himself. We probably wouldn’t hear a much different response from the execs in question, but it would be nice to hear it straight from the horse’s mouth. Craig is well-trained enough and has the presence of mind to build on a non-question and give comments on top of it, but that specific part of Grubers interview technique is hard to work with for an interviewee unless they’re pretty relaxed themselves.
 
Federighi and Alan Dye pretty much destroyed macOS.

Oh bull. It started way before then. Once Bertrand Serlet retired, the dumbification began.

It became a skeuomorphic nightmare with feature bloat and half baked features with Scott Forstall. 10.7 Lion, anyone? Then Ive did a complete 180 degrees with 10.10 Yosemite and sucked all the usability out of the OS.

Federighi came in and united the underlying technologies across platforms and Dye tried to correct Ive’s mistakes by bringing back some classic Mac OS design elements.

However, it was too late. iPhone and iOS had already become the behemoth and lead operating system that all Apple operating systems would take cues from. And now we are here and things like System Settings are the new normal.

We are lucky with still have Finder, as stripped down its default settings are.
 
“Discern pixels” is quite an imprecise phrase. I can watch a DVD on my 4K TV, and I may not know where one image pixel ends and the next begins, but the image sure isn’t as sharp and detailed as a 4K movie on the same display. Either this device has a PPD that meets or exceeds other Retina-level devices at a typical viewing distance, or it doesn’t. Simple math shows that it is much closer to the density of pre-Retina Apple displays.

If a 4K wide display were enough to cover a ~100° FOV, there would be no point in Apple selling 5K and 6K monitors.
The Vision Pro uses foveated rendering, meaning that the pixel density is not uniform, and instead is higher in the central foveal area than in the periphery, matching the eye’s visual acuity. In this paper, 24 PPD were achieved at the center using a 1440 pixel display with a pancake lens. This would translate to 67 PPD for a 4000 pixel panel, matching Apple’s definition of a Retina display (57 PPD and up) as well as the conventional definition of 20/20 vision (60 PPD).
 
Unfortunately Rene has been turned by Google and can no longer be considered a trusted liutenant of Apple PR.

No chance he's getting his paws on Vision Pro without coughing his 3.5k, unless Apple send him a booby trapped model :oops: 💣
Really? Haha, I’m out of the loop.
 
Craig killed it at the end with the guitar session. Coolest SVP at Apple. What a legend! 🐐

Make Craig the next CEO of Apple, please. He will do exceptionally well.
Great guitar player - but NOT a legend!

Remember he's NOT the first (definitely not the premier) nor second to lead macOS using the MACH kernel!.

Remember his 4th year managing macOS X led to SU having NO password set by default - HUGE security risk and mistake!

Ave T.
Bertrand Serlet (THE Godfather of Graphical User Interface in terms of Apple - Worked at Xerox PARC, then NeXT, then Apple)! He brought the science know-how of the UNIX kernel of Mac OS X, then making it FREE for upgrade, etc etc).

THOSE guys are LEGEND ... not the candy coded floff we're getting now - especially the remixed mantra's of Apple:
aka - Craig specifically made fun of Android's NFC-Bumping to share contacts in iOS7 yet last week Monday brings us moving iPhones close to share your contact!?!

✂️ Apple iOS 7 AirDrop (Better than iOS 17 NameDrop)

That is NOT legend, that's hypocritical! We're going BACKWARDS!
 
I created this mockup this morning, its unbelievable that in the space of 24 years we have reached this advance level of computing. To go from Steve Jobs demoing the ancestor of Vision OS, Mac OS 10.0, in small square on a stationary device to now a spatial environment that envelopes your world but still keeping you aware of the physical world is mind blowing! The ability to remove the constraints of a screen, bringing your apps into that physical world and use natural interaction instead of keyboard and mice proves this has been well thought out.

My hope is the Steve Ballmer's that are skeptical about this give it a chance. It needs 10 years to prove if its a failure or not. I said it in a previous thread, Apple is likely working on version 2 and 3 and already thinking about version 4.

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I'm actually not so surprised as you.

24yrs is a VERY long time in terms of technology and to be honest I feel we're 10yrs behind here. Jobs, Avie Tevanian, and Bertrand Serlet really set the bar stating macOS X would lead Apple 20yrs into the future - they were SPOT ON!

Nothing in macOS lagged behind ANY other desktop OS - and in terms of Server OS unfortunately with their leaving and retiring ... Apple lost its edge since Linux began to thrive while UNIX lost a lot of huge innovators :(

But the evolving mobile OS' from OS X's MACH/FreeBSD kernel still thrive today.
 
Oh bull. It started way before then. Once Bertrand Serlet retired, the dumbification began.

It became a skeuomorphic nightmare with feature bloat and half baked features with Scott Forstall. 10.7 Lion, anyone? Then Ive did a complete 180 degrees with 10.10 Yosemite and sucked all the usability out of the OS.

Federighi came in and united the underlying technologies across platforms and Dye tried to correct Ive’s mistakes by bringing back some classic Mac OS design elements.

However, it was too late. iPhone and iOS had already become the behemoth and lead operating system that all Apple operating systems would take cues from. And now we are here and things like System Settings are the new normal.

We are lucky with still have Finder, as stripped down its default settings are.

You’re right that it all started going downhill after Serlet left, but the rest of your post is full of half truths.

It was Federighi who took over from Serlet starting with 10.7 Lion, not Forstall. Forstall was SVP of iPhone software at the time and left a year later.

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Bertrand Serlet, often called ‘the father of Mac OS X,’ is leaving Apple


Yes, Apple did go overboard with skeuomorphism starting with Lion, but it was more of Jobs’s idea to bring back iPhone UI elements to OS X.

Federighi along with Apple marketing moved on to a yearly release cycle shortly after. Stability of core OS went to **** overtime and all he cared about was adding bloatware apps, half baked features and emojis. Still, macOS retained some of the classic UI elements and functionality up until Catalina and that’s when Alan Dye came in and burned it all with Big Turd.

Not sure what you mean by Dye correcting Ive’s mistakes and “bringing back classic Mac OS design elements”. Dye is basically responsibly for destroying all the usability and depth that existed in the classic MacOS design and making everything thin, white and flat.
 
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