'The Truth Hurts': Verizon Zings AT&T in Advertising Spat

[Goona]

I'm not a detective, so I'll let the clue thing slide. Why is it you think that the number of units sold matter in this circumstance? You keep going back to that; are you trying to compensate for something?

When the iPhone came out, I would have loved to get it for verizon. The AT&T contract, while great in the beginning, has really come back to burn Apple. People keep leaving AT&T because of the bad service and dropped calls. Their iPhone experience has been ruined by AT&T. That'll stick in people's mind if the iPhone comes to verizon.

It is relevant because he said the iphone is getting old, how can a phone that is getting old, Apple can't keep up with demand for the phone. Why does it have the highest satisfaction rates in the industry. If the Droid as a superior as he said it is, why isn't Verizon telling us how many of their so called superior phones which they depict in their ads have sold? It's been a week, where are the numbers Verizon.

 

[Mike2128]

Errrrm who cares if they didn't complain then, we are talking about now. It's now advantage that is present with AT&T, and Verizon doesn't have it with their network.

Ok. Enjoy your iPhone.

 

[Macsterguy]

Getting in bed... Splitting the sheets...

Apple got in bed with AT&T and now needs to find a way to "split the sheets". The iPhone had a 2-year jump on all competition but now the race is very close with the Droid. Nothing lasts forever...

Comparing the networks - Verizon wins, hands down. Because of this, 2009 "was" the year of the iPhone and now Google with Android will close the gap in 2010 and beyond. Nothing else has come close so far...

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone isn't dead... No, now things get interesting...

By "thinking different", Apple once again revolutionized an entire market segment with smart phones and needs to do it again (can we say tablet thingy?).

Somehow, I think they will...

 

[kryptonianjorel]

It is relevant because he said the iphone is getting old, how can a phone that is getting old, Apple can't keep up with demand for the phone. Why does it have the highest satisfaction rates in the industry.

[citation needed]

If the Droid as a superior as he said it is, why isn't Verizon telling us how many of their so called superior phones which they depict in their ads have sold? It's been a week, where are the numbers Verizon.

Verizon/Motorola has no need to tell you how many devices have sold?

Obviously the 1982 Toyota Camry is superior to a Lamborghini, I mean, they certainly sold more than all Lambo's sold combined...

 

[mattster16]

The iPhone had a 2-year jump on all competition but now the race is very close with the Droid.

Do you have any data for that? Just curious.

 

[Goona]

Apple got in bed with AT&T and now needs to find a way to "split the sheets". The iPhone had a 2-year jump on all competition but now the race is very close with the Droid. Nothing lasts forever...

Comparing the networks - Verizon wins, hands down. Because of this, 2009 "was" the year of the iPhone and now Google with Android will close the gap in 2010 and beyond. Nothing else has come close so far...

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone isn't dead... No, now things get interesting...

By "thinking different", Apple once again revolutionized an entire market segment with smart phones and needs to do it again (can we say tablet thingy?).

Somehow, I think they will...

Meh we heard the same thing with the Pre and it had more hype! Now that the Pre has failed y'all have moved onto your next one that you want to lift the pedestal. It seems as if people are so desperate for their iphone killer that they will lift ayt

 

[LagunaSol]

Have you looked at Verizon's smartphone lineup lately? They've come a long way in a very short time. There's almost too much choice now.

• Touch Pro 2
• Imagio (with mediaFlo TV)
• Droid, Eris.
• Storm 2.
• Omnia 2 coming.
• Palm Pre and Pixi early 2010.
• Strong rumor says HD2 with Android coming by end of year.

That looks like the McDonald's Value Menu - lots of stuff, none worth eating.

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

For the record, I hate all carriers (AT&T included - stupid text messaging plan rip off!) but Verizon are the biggest weasels in the den.

(Actually, I kinda liked T-Mobile while I had them - though I hated my phone with a burning rage (Sony T610).)

 

[Goona]

[citation needed]



Verizon/Motorola has no need to tell you how many devices have sold?

Obviously the 1982 Toyota Camry is superior to a Lamborghini, I mean, they certainly sold more than all Lambo's sold combined...

Go and read Apple's last conference call, or go and pick up your latest edition of Consumer Reports, or JD and Power surveys, or any of the numerous industry satisfaction rates.

Yeah but Verizon/Motorola had a need shoving all those idon't commercials in our face the past month but now that they released their phone, they don't want to to tell us how successfull it is?

That looks like the McDonald's Value Menu - lots of stuff, none worth eating.

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

Or wait for it...How many they sold! Why isn't Verizon trumpeting that!

 

[topmounter]

I'd like to see some traffic modeling done on what would happen to Verizon's network with AT&T's data traffic There's a reason why Verizon slammed the door on Steve Jobs and the iPhone.

Of course you have to wonder, should ATT have done the same?

Sure, they've gained customers, but at what cost to the bottom line? I pay about the same for my iPhone now as I did with my WinMo and Symbian phones, but I'm FAR FAR more demanding on ATT's network with the iPhone.

 

[kdarling]

How many of your precious Droids have been sold, why isn't Verizon telling us, meanwhile I can provide you with the number of iphones sold in the first weekend by Apple, all we have are estimates with the Droid and it still falls shorts of the number of first generation iphones sold, get a clue!

Now you're being extra silly. Of course you can provide iPhone numbers... it's been three years.

But at the time, no one knew how many first model iPhones were sold until Apple's and ATT's earning calls a few weeks later. Everyone used estimates at first.

So since all we have are Droid estimates (between 100K and 250K), you're jumping the gun to directly compare numbers.

In any case, considering the first iPhone had six months' worth of huge hype preceding its launch, versus a week or so of slight ads for Droid, the Droid seems to have done very well.

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

So you're saying that you think the first iPhone was a failure because it had ZERO third party app storage available? Oh wait... it didn't fail after all.

The Android app limit still allows hundreds of apps, along with their data on the SD card. And I hear that the whole scheme is going to change anyway... just as the iPhone changed over time.

 

[kryptonianjorel]

Meh we heard the same thing with the Pre and it had more hype! Now that the Pre has failed y'all have moved onto your next one that you want to lift the pedestal. It seems as if people are so desperate for their iphone killer that they will lift anything up. It must be hard seeing the iphone getting all the attention.

Edit button...works great

That looks like the McDonald's Value Menu - lots of stuff, none worth eating.

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

My friend, you are mislead. It has 256MB to store boot files. Only the .exe equivalent needs to be stored on the internal storage (which is a few KB to a MB in MOST cases) All supporting files can be stored on the SD card.

If that doesn't suit you, root it. It adds features to the phone just like jailbreaking does the iPhone...

 

[Mike2128]

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

It also works differently in managing applications. The only files stored in the 256MB are the executables, all data used/written by the app itself is stored on the removable memory. Most app files are 2 MB or less.

edit: beat me to it.

 

[LagunaSol]

Have you looked at Verizon's smartphone lineup lately? They've come a long way in a very short time. There's almost too much choice now.

Based on the fact that half the phones on your list are merely rumored or pending, I think the word "now" is a little optimistic, no?

 

[Pierrick]

Every other phone manufacturer can justify the cost.

Apple wouldn't make a CDMA-only phone, though. They'd most likely do the same as HTC, Samsung and RIM, and make a combination GSM + CDMA phone.

A combo phone means one factory model, that can be sold to both GSM carriers and to the 130+ million North American CDMA users (and however many other compatible users, I believe New Zealand is one).

CDMA is a dying technology!

Telecom New Zealand has upgraded to a UMTS-based network, as well as Telstra in Australia.

 

[bruinsrme]

That looks like the McDonald's Value Menu - lots of stuff, none worth eating.

I'm waiting for the iDon't ads for the DROID to mention that DROID only gives you 256 MB for app storage.

Dealbreaker.

So if it only cmes with 256M for apps what is the 16G used for?

 

[imikem]

The obvious riposte by AT&T

A world map, showing GSM coverage vs. CDMA. A lot of white area on there for Verizon.

Not that I really care. I have the iPhone, I get 3G. Fun to see the titans slugging it out though. Competition is good. This will likely speed up the network upgrades.

 

[LagunaSol]

In any case, considering the first iPhone had six months' worth of huge hype preceding its launch, versus a week or so of slight ads for Droid, the Droid seems to have done very well.

Are you seriously going to ignore the incredible amount of hype the Droid got before launch?

 

[musicaleuphoria]

Yeah,

Suck it Trebek.

 

[macsimo]

What a lot people fail to mention is that AT & T has several advantages over Verizon. Roll over minutes, easy wordwide use, voice and data at the same time. So while people feel the need to bash AT & T, those same people should be bashing Verizon for not offering those services. As far as 3G coverage is concerned, Verizon is using an old network, CDMA. AT & T switched to the worldwide standard, GSM, several years ago. There network isn't nearly as old. So it wouldn't be as well developed. All we seem to hear about is how bad AT & T is. I will admit that AT & T should have gone on the offensive touting their advantages. In other words, both companies have strengths AND weaknesses. Verizon is not perfect either!

 

[DDMaKeeg]

CDMA 3G vs. GPRS 3G is not apples to apples comparison

Ok, yes AT&T's network cannot support the amount of data being consumed on it. But we have to remember that CDMA is old tech compared to GPRS. Verizon 3G does not allow simultaneous voice and data. That means if your surfing the web, using a web-based app, or downloading email, you will not get any calls. You cannot be talking on the phone and surfing or emailing at the same time. = Dealbreaker for me. AT&T should be responding with their 3G advantages.

 

[kryptonianjorel]

CDMA is a dying technology!

Telecom New Zealand has upgraded to a UMTS-based network, as well as Telstra in Australia.

CDMA is dying. I think thats one of the reasons Verizon is pushing LTE so fast. They'll still use their CDMA network for 10+ years while they blanket the states with LTE, but then it'll be gone forever

 

[Mike2128]

That means if your surfing the web, using a web-based app, or downloading email, you will not get any calls.

Yes you will.

 

[phineas]

Verizon vs AT&T

This should be interesting in the end we all know that VZW's network is much much better than AT&T's over sold , under managed network.

I'd love to see an advertisement on tv during prime time where both CEO's duke it out on national tv and tell the TRUTH.

Glad my contract's up December 6th, although I am not throwing my iPhone away but will hold out and see if Verizon will be getting the iPhone.

AT&T's been living too high on the hog, Apple is going to sever the umbilical cord and than AT&T's really going to feel the crunch, especially the ones that left Verizon for the iPhone are going to jump right back over.

Come on Verizon, and for what its worth the Android is pretty good, the call clarity is fantastic. But the monthly cost's are ridiculous

 

[kryptonianjorel]

What a lot people fail to mention is that AT & T has several advantages over Verizon. Roll over minutes, easy wordwide use, voice and data at the same time. So while people feel the need to bash AT & T, those same people should be bashing Verizon for not offering those services. As far as 3G coverage is concerned, Verizon is using an old network, CDMA. AT & T switched to the worldwide standard, GSM, several years ago. There network isn't nearly as old. So it wouldn't be as well developed. All we seem to hear about is how bad AT & T is. I will admit that AT & T should have gone on the offensive touting their advantages. In other words, both companies have strengths AND weaknesses. Verizon is not perfect either!

What you call advantages, I call moot points. Roll over minutes are useless if you're substantially under your usage every month, which is easy since verizon has a lot of free calling (M2M, Night/weekend). Worldwide is easy too, buy a verizon globalphone, or if you're just going on vacation, call verizon and they'll send you free rental globalphone. What is the point of voice and data at the same time (especially with the non-multitasking iPhone)? If I'm on a call, I don't need data access.

The only thing 'wrong' with CDMA is that most of the rest of the world uses GSM. CDMA is a fine technology

 

[kdarling]

That means if your surfing the web, using a web-based app, or downloading email, you will not get any calls.

No, that's incorrect. That's the way EDGE behaves.

CDMA lets the calls through. It just pauses the data until the call is over.

Again, you can use something like Skype if you need voice and data at the same time, although it's not ideal IMO. Or use WiFi, again not ideal.