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I'd like to see some traffic modeling done on what would happen to Verizon's network with AT&T's data traffic :) There's a reason why Verizon slammed the door on Steve Jobs and the iPhone.

Of course you have to wonder, should ATT have done the same?

Sure, they've gained customers, but at what cost to the bottom line? I pay about the same for my iPhone now as I did with my WinMo and Symbian phones, but I'm FAR FAR more demanding on ATT's network with the iPhone.

Maybe someone could explain to me how high data use affects the coverage area and dropped voice calls. I would think coverage and dropped voice would have more to do with the amount and quality of towers then the 3G data network being taxed.
 
My friend, you are mislead. It has 256MB to store boot files. Only the .exe equivalent needs to be stored on the internal storage (which is a few KB to a MB in MOST cases) All supporting files can be stored on the SD card.

It's still a silly limitation (and yes, it is a limitation) not shared by the iPhone and not mentioned in the iDon't ads.

You can bet power users are going to run into that app memory ceiling.
 
Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.30 (Nintendo Wii; U; ; 3642; en))

Christ.... So much hate for the Droid and even more disinformation about Android...

With the storage space issue, let me explain it this way:

Doom on Android
Stored on rom: Binary executable
Stored on SD Card: WAD files containing level data, sound etc.

The same applies for emulators (binary on 256mb, rom files on sd card).

Is the concept that difficult to grasp?
 
I think up until this point Verizon had been on the higher ground. However, that statement that "AT&T sued because Verizon's ads are true and the truth hurts."

I mean come on. I am not a lawyer, but to me, that sounds like language a lawyer would want to avoid. Why would you suppose the motive of another company? Just state the facts and let them speak for themselves. You come off classier.
 
Meh we heard the same thing with the Pre and it had more hype! Now that the Pre has failed y'all have moved onto your next one that you want to lift the pedestal. It seems as if people are so desperate for their iphone killer that they will lift ayt

Meh, you didn't hear that from me... The pre is not good hardware and it's software came from left field... Also, my name isn't "y'all" - But I am from Texas... :)

I have purchased 12 iPhones for my business and family so clearly, I do not want it to die and it won't (any time soon).

It is simple...
• The AT&T network isn't nearly as good as Verizon's for most - Fact
• The Droid is good hardware (according to ALL reviewers) - Fact
• Android (this is Google by the way, Not windows) is a good platform that is only 2.0 and will get even better - Fact
• There will be many smart phones running Android to suite all taste and needs
• There is only one iPhone (so far) - Fact
 
CDMA lets the calls through. It just pauses the data until the call is over.

Again, you can use something like Skype if you need voice and data at the same time, although it's not ideal IMO. Or use WiFi, again not ideal.

Dandy.

"Well mom, I would look up the address for you in Google Maps, but I can't while I'm talking to you. Um, yeah, it's a Verizon thing. Let me look up the address and call you back. Or wait - why don't you call me back on my Skype number? That way I could look up the address while we're talking. Here's my Skype number..." :rolleyes:

As I mentioned previously, I hate all carriers. For AT&T users to be arguing with Verizon users simply amounts to "We suck less. Sorta."
 
It's still a silly limitation (and yes, it is a limitation) not shared by the iPhone and not mentioned in the iDon't ads.

The iPhone had limits on apps at first too. Still has app size limits, IIRC. 2GB max? Remember everyone wondering how GPS apps would be possible?

You can bet power users are going to run into that app memory ceiling.

Yeah, it's not like the iPhone has power user limits. *cough* multitasking *cough*

And the arbitrary limit on the number of iPhone apps that we can install, see and use at one time... because of not having homescreen folders.

:rolleyes:
 
Yes, downtown Chicago is terrible reception, always dropping the signal. The GPS also becomes very unreliable. 3G nor Edge work properly. It often oscillates between the two networks and No service.

Elsewhere in the city the reception is a bit better but it often drops calls and is super slow.

GPS really has nothing to do with AT&T. That's just because of the tall buildings in Chicago, the phone can't get a good satellite lock.
 
Do you have any data for that? Just curious.

Plenty - Google - Droid reviews (Oh and you will probably use Google to do that) You know, Google:
• Google, the maker of Android.
• Google, the best voice recognition on the planet (gee, voice recognition + smart phone = good things)
• Google - Free navigation on the Droid

Need more data? Google it... :)
 
It's still a silly limitation (and yes, it is a limitation) not shared by the iPhone and not mentioned in the iDon't ads.

You can bet power users are going to run into that app memory ceiling.

Find me 16 GB of apps for either platform (that don't overlap functionality 100,000 ifart apps dont count) and I'll eat my hat
 
Dandy.

"Well mom, I would look up the address for you in Google Maps, but I can't while I'm talking to you. Um, yeah, it's a Verizon thing. Let me look up the address and call you back. Or wait - why don't you call me back on my Skype number? That way I could look up the address while we're talking. Here's my Skype number..." :rolleyes:

As I mentioned previously, I hate all carriers. For AT&T users to be arguing with Verizon users simply amounts to "We suck less. Sorta."

Is this opposed "Well mom, I.... <drop>" (phones mom again)
Mom: "What happened there"
"Oh nothing, I got cut off, as I was saying I'll look up that address for you in google maps." loads google maps and waits patiently as it searches for the address on EDGE and finally gets what she needed"
"Mom you there? Mom? Mooooooooom!!!!!"

Of course this is a far fetched situation but it could happen.

EDIT - The other option is for dear old Mom to install Google maps on her own phone as it is out on a multitude of mobile formats.
 
Suck it Trebek.

Amen. I was about to say, I really enjoyed seeing Transformers: ROF w/ my kids, who also loved it. I understand some of you hated that movie. I'm okay with that. Really, I am. For a bunch of (mostly) free-market capitalist, democratic Americans we do so awfully want to be fascists about nearly everything.
 
Christ.... So much hate for the Droid and even more disinformation about Android...

With the storage space issue, let me explain it this way:

Doom on Android
Stored on rom: Binary executable
Stored on SD Card: WAD files containing level data, sound etc.

The same applies for emulators (binary on 256mb, rom files on sd card).

Is the concept that difficult to grasp?

Ah, so the 256MB ceiling isn't a limitation worth acknowledging, eh? Whatever.

• There will be many smart phones running Android to suite all taste and needs

I'm actually rooting for Android as I see it ultimately as a Windows Mobile killer. And anyone who can thwart Microsoft's control of a market is a friend of mine.

But I do think the hardware fragmentation ("all tastes and needs") for Android will become more liability than advantage in the long run, as will its lack of a cohesive design philosophy - with every manufacturer making Android "its own." I think the integrated model (a la iPhone/iPod, Zune) is going to be the most consumer-friendly offering in the mobile phone space.
 
LMAO! Too funny and too true. AT&T sucks so bad. The fact that Apple fanboys are so obsessed with owning an iPhone that they will break contract with their existing carrier to sign on with the WORST carrier in the US is just really sad.

hey genius, i don't tell you what kind of toilet paper to wipe your big butt with so don't tell me what cell carrier to use.

not that it's your business, but i was with Cingular before AT&T bought it. as others have stated with their experiences, my AT&T service has been flawless. i'm not saying AT&T is perfect. hell, even i hate their customer service. cingular had great CS by the way and never any problems with the service.

also, what the hell does this have to do with apple fanboys?! my iphone has also worked as advertised and it's what works for me. no one forced me to buy it, not apple, not at&t. i made a decision to buy it, because i didn't like any phone i had up to that point, and i believed it would do all the things i felt i had been wanting from a phone.

if you don't like iphones, and you don't like AT&T then there are plenty of other options out there for you, BUT i don't need you getting up in my business. do whatever the hell you want.

ON TOPIC now, since you couldn't be:
i think verizon and at&t are both right in this case. at&t definitely doesn't have as large an area covered by 3G as verizon. verizon is right for calling them out on it. at the same time, i think verizon is being stupid to suggest that at&t can't demonstrate that any harm has come of these ads. WTF?! who are they kidding with an argument like that. if no harm to at&t was ever going to come of these ads, then why would verizon have invested in them. that's the whole point of them, to get people to not like at&t and go to verizon. DUH!!!

it's pretty obvious that verizon would definitely gain the advantage if consumers misinterpreted the ads and thought that at&t didn't have coverage at all in areas that weren't mark. hell, lots of people don't understand what 3G even is, let alone, that there is something called 2G/edge to fill in the gaps. verizon definitely wins here when the consumer is ignorant in this situation.

all that said, i don't think it means at&t has any legal argument. if it bothers them that much, they should fight back with "better" more detailed, educational, advertising of their own and point out that they actually have "more" coverage than verizon, and maybe even demonstrate how they are constantly adding 3g coverage (if they in fact are).
 
Is this opposed "Well mom, I.... <drop>" (phones mom again)
Mom: "What happened there"
"Oh nothing, I got cut off, as I was saying I'll look up that address for you in google maps." loads google maps and waits patiently as it searches for the address on EDGE and finally gets what she needed"
"Mom you there? Mom? Mooooooooom!!!!!"

Of course this is a far fetched situation but it could happen.

I've never had any call reliability problems on AT&T, but I know there are users who do (as there are users that have call reliability problems on Verizon - it's true!).
 
I think up until this point Verizon had been on the higher ground. However, that statement that "AT&T sued because Verizon's ads are true and the truth hurts."

I mean come on. I am not a lawyer, but to me, that sounds like language a lawyer would want to avoid. Why would you suppose the motive of another company? Just state the facts and let them speak for themselves. You come off classier.

It's not legal terminology. It's in there, rather wisely, because they know the contents of the suit will make it into the press. This is a PR war. That's what is interesting about it, if you like PR scuffles. I don't care AT&T or Verizon wins. I like my iPhone and my AT&T coverage is great most places I use it -- and I've never had a bad customer service experience with AT&T -- so I'll stick w/ that. I don't need AT&T to beat up Verizon in a lawsuit or a PR war to want to stick w/ my iPhone.
 
It's not that 256 MB for app executables isn't a limitation, clearly it is by definition. Just saying in practice, it's a lot. I've installed somewhere around 50 apps/widgets/plug-ins and have only used roughly 60 MB, 8 of that going to DocumentsToGo.
 
Ah, so the 256MB ceiling isn't a limitation worth acknowledging, eh? Whatever.

It's certainly not the end of the world and hardly detremental compared to any applications on the iPhone.

A 500K, 1MB or even 1.5MB binary executable is all that is needed on the paltry 256MB.

Say that each executable was around 1.5MB, that leaves you limited to a tiny 170 applications.

OH NOES!
 
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