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I'm not of course - but running four third-party apps simultaneously on the Droid seems to be a big selling point in Verizon's marketing.
That's because multi-tasking is a big deal. I use an iPhone, and not a day goes by where I don't get annoyed with the fact that I have to close one app to open another.

It's one of the major reasons why I'm considering switching to the Droid.
 
How are the contracts extortionary? I'd love to hear this one. Don't want a subsidy? Don't get one, nobody is forcing you. I, like many others, enjoy buying a $600 phone for $200 when I sign a contract.

How are we slaves? Because we signed contracts? If you don't want a contract, go prepaid or contractless. Don't like the price, pick a different carrier.

Your points are moot

Dear KJ,

I'm an iPhone owner. Unless I missed something somewhere, the only way I can use a non-jailbroken iPhone is by signing a contract with AT&T. It's extortionary because, unlike the phone, which I can choose or not choose, and which bears a fixed input cost, I basically HAVE to pay what AT&T says I HAVE to pay in order to own the phone I CHOOSE to buy. And I have no way, short of paying an extremely steep fee or jailbreaking my phone, which I won't do, of punishing this (or any other) carrier for poor service -- both technical (coverage) and customer.

There's the extortion right there. The whole system here is anticompetitive.
 
I don't know about Verizon. I travel in car quite a bit. Whenever I drive through Minneapolis, my Verizon phone would drop calls in at least 6 areas. ATT and TMobile would stay on. As a matter of fact I was on a long conference call using ATT between Madison and Chicago and not a single drop for entire 2 hours.

ATT coverege is near flawless in Mpls/St.Paul, at least in my experience. I never have voice issues and data is always very fast. I rarely see my phone drop below 5 bars (occasionally I get 4).

I had Verizon before for about 3 weeks and it was horrible. I even tried a new phone from them during that time. Dropped calls like mad and I couldn't even get service some areas in downtown Chicago and constantly had very few bars.

Sprint was also wonderful while I had it (before I used data) and I'm a big fan of their $69.99/mo unlimited mobile calls/text/data plan. I'd consider getting the htc hero with them if I was looking for a new phone.

Never tried T-Mobile.
 
Hey Verizon, there's an ETF for that.

And about this app storage thing, if I have more than one storage card, how am I supposed to know which card has the supporting data for the app I want to use at the moment? Absurd.
 
As far as I can tell AT&T don't have a leg to stand on. To me it is very clear that the ad is about 3G coverage. Unless the maps are inaccurate, which AT&T don't seem to be claiming, they're just going to have to put up with it.
Or improve their service.

A suit is ridiculous, because it is proven. Millions of people can't be lying about something like this, so Verizon is not alone. Many are being inconvenienced by AT&T in more than one way. It's just a fact that is being stated. As you and many others have stated, they need to up their performance.
 
I'm not of course - but running four third-party apps simultaneously on the Droid seems to be a big selling point in Verizon's marketing.

And how would the loss of data on those services only while you are on a phone call matter. It just means the updates are done when you get off the phone or get in range of a wifi.

It is not like you will be looking at your phone during that time.

Thank you for a failure to address the argument.
 
And about this app storage thing, if I have more than one storage card, how am I supposed to know which card has the supporting data for the app I want to use at the moment? Absurd.

Why would you need multiple cards? Get an 8GB, 16GB or 32Gb card whatever suits your needs.

Are we saying a platform with upgradable storage space is worse than one you can't upgrade? Absurd.
 
Service is so bad in the Denver market, I called and complained enough that I had $100 taken off my bill (3 iphones on the account).

Granted it took over 45 minutes of talking with an AT&T rep, but I stood my ground, and the rep could not reasonably tell me that my service was anywhere up to speed as it should be.

FYI.
 
i cant say for certain that vzw voice doesnt work on vzw 3g but if thats the case, maybe thats why att 3g service is terrible.
 
Dear KJ,

I'm an iPhone owner. Unless I missed something somewhere, the only way I can use a non-jailbroken iPhone is by signing a contract with AT&T. It's extortionary because, unlike the phone, which I can choose or not choose, and which bears a fixed input cost, I basically HAVE to pay what AT&T says I HAVE to pay in order to own the phone I CHOOSE to buy. And I have no way, short of paying an extremely steep fee or jailbreaking my phone, which I won't do, of punishing this (or any other) carrier for poor service -- both technical (coverage) and customer.

There's the extortion right there. The whole system here is anticompetitive.

You can buy the phone and use it as a pay-as-you-go phone. No contract. You can own the phone and not use it on AT&T's network. Nobody is forcing you to use the phone at all; use it as a glorified iPod touch for all I care. AT&T can charge whatever they want because they're a COMPANY. Don't buy it if you can't afford it.
 
Class Action Lawsuit

What I propose is all costumers who have been negatively affected by the AT&T's poor network should file a class action lawsuit against ATT's false advertisement and charging for 3G where they can't provide it.

I was drawn to ATT by their claims to be the fastest 3G network in the nation, bought iPhones and now I regret porting all my family phones to ATT, I should have stayed where I was because I was at least able to make phone calls without being dropped every second call! Now I'm paying data plan on two iPhones and I'm told by the ATT and Apple "support" to turn off 3G and keep on Edge, heck, when I told them I will if I don't have to pay for the 3G data plan, i will be fine with that. They said no way. Do you guys see this nonsense?

So I hope ATT get their a$$e$ sued because I'm sure they have plenty of money saved up by not working on upgrading of their networks.
 
Dear KJ,

I'm an iPhone owner. Unless I missed something somewhere, the only way I can use a non-jailbroken iPhone is by signing a contract with AT&T. It's extortionary because, unlike the phone, which I can choose or not choose, and which bears a fixed input cost, I basically HAVE to pay what AT&T says I HAVE to pay in order to own the phone I CHOOSE to buy. And I have no way, short of paying an extremely steep fee or jailbreaking my phone, which I won't do, of punishing this (or any other) carrier for poor service -- both technical (coverage) and customer.

There's the extortion right there. The whole system here is anticompetitive.

No one is forcing anything. Yes, you chose to buy the phone, but it also comes with that contract. Don't want the contract? Then don't buy the phone. That's like saying "but my car only runs on gasoline and I want it to use diesel....that's unfair!" Ok, the go and buy a diesel car and pass up the gas one. No one is FORCING you to buy one or the other, and the type of fuel it uses is just part of the package.

I, for one, have my celll phone and my iPod Touch. I don't like AT&Ts service. Therefore, I just don't buy the iPhone and continue to wait it out. Your world will not end by your not having an iPhone.
 
All this pointless arguing of whether AT&T or Verizon is better strikes me as incredibly stupid. Let's face it, in just about any metric you want to measure, *both* AT&T and Verizon suck. The point of this campaign by Verizon isn't to attract new customers - it's to stem the wholesale defection of its customers to the iPhone. Notice how quickly they changed to focusing on AT&Ts network as opposed to attacking the iPhone itself (eg: iDon't campaign). They realized quickly that attacking the iPhone made them look peevish and out of touch.

Their current campaign is quite effective, and AT&T is only making themselves look even dumber by lodging a legal complaint. When they heard about the lawsuit, I'm sure the Verizon folks were rubbing their hands in glee, and I'm certain their response was prepared well in advance.

But for everyday customers to be fooled by this theater into a "Verizon/AT&T is better" pissing match is ridiculous. You're acting like the mindless consumers *both* companies want you to be - easily distracted by irrelevant posturing while ignoring the obvious fact that neither company can even approach what a rational person would call "good service".

And Americans wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us.

Well said sir! I co-sign with the above.
 
Dear KJ,

I'm an iPhone owner. Unless I missed something somewhere, the only way I can use a non-jailbroken iPhone is by signing a contract with AT&T. It's extortionary because, unlike the phone, which I can choose or not choose, and which bears a fixed input cost, I basically HAVE to pay what AT&T says I HAVE to pay in order to own the phone I CHOOSE to buy. And I have no way, short of paying an extremely steep fee or jailbreaking my phone, which I won't do, of punishing this (or any other) carrier for poor service -- both technical (coverage) and customer.

There's the extortion right there. The whole system here is anticompetitive.

Who wants an iPhone straight from New Zealand. Get your hot fresh Unlocked iPhones only $1500. :D
 
To quote Han Solo: "Great, kid! Don't get cocky." :D

(BTW, that was aimed SQUARELY at Verizon)

BJ
 
Wow, are there really carrier fanboys? Are you guys honestly arguing about this when all networks basically rape your wallet equally? :confused:

Why hold allegiance to a provider?
 
No one is forcing anything. Yes, you chose to buy the phone, but it also comes with that contract. Don't want the contract? Then don't buy the phone. That's like saying "but my car only runs on gasoline and I want it to use diesel....that's unfair!" Ok, the go and buy a diesel car and pass up the gas one. No one is FORCING you to buy one or the other, and the type of fuel it uses is just part of the package.

I, for one, have my celll phone and my iPod Touch. I don't like AT&Ts service. Therefore, I just don't buy the iPhone and continue to wait it out. Your world will not end by your not having an iPhone.

Geez, why all the hostility? Is it un-American to say I'd like to be able to choose my handset (and pay its full cost) and ALSO choose my carrier?

I picked the iPhone cuz I love it! I want to also pick my carrier, and I want carriers to compete, where technically feasible, for my business. I want a carrier that competes to give me the best service, that makes me happy (or at least happy enough...!). There is absolutely no reason why this should be impossible -- or why I should be FORCED to be tied to a carrier just because I chose a certain phone. That way lies mediocrity and consumer abuse.

I thought those fundamental, free-market principles were what American capitalism was all about. I'm not asking for a free lunch, or the impossible.

The car/fuel analogy is faulty because most cars can shop at any station. If every car could only stop at ONE type of station... AND had no control over the subsequent quality (or availability or price) of that station, wouldn't everybody get their knickers in a bunch over that?
 
Wow, are there really carrier fanboys? Are you guys honestly arguing about this when all networks basically rape your wallet equally? :confused:

Why hold allegiance to a provider?

The case in New Zealand is, Just about everybody uses prepay okay. Telecom and Vodafone charge 20c per text and 89c a minutte for phone calls. While 2Degrees charges 9c a text and 44c a minute. They also give you free stuff when yoy topup. Who would you be a fanboy too?
 
Seriously AT&T, knock it off. :mad:

The solution is right in front of you(invest in your infrastructure) and still you push this baseless lawsuit. :mad:

Verizon's pummeling will not cease until your network sucks less. Fact.
 
The iPhone and AT&T are like that couple you see on the street sometimes, where the girl is drop-dead gorgeous and the guy is... how the hell did he end up with her anyway!? :eek:
 
To: AT&T
From RyanR.

Please stop wasting time and money on legal stuff and use that time and money to get me 3G. If I don't have 3G before summer when my contract is up I'm out....:rolleyes:
 
like little boys fighting.
Verizon has a point but they don't have the iphone. They are smarting from all the defectors running to at&t for the iphone. Now Verizon has the Moto Droid but c'mon. That is a step back from the iphone which is a power house product right out the box. I don't have a freaking V cast product like all them smart phones on Verizon. The moto droid doesn't have an app store or a multimedia ecosystem like the iphone and they won't get ine either. Why? Cause Verizon pimps all their phones.
I have the iphone and I'm not leaving at&t.
Also, did you hear all the noise coming from the net about how Verizon has increased their early termination fee. It is now $350.00 bucks. Go over to engadget(I'm not spamming) to read the article. WTF! Yeah, Verizon is really trying hard to keep the suckers on their network.
Oh, did you also hear how NASA is using the iphone as a chemical sensor? The iphone is more than what Apple has us to believe it is. It is a revolutionary product far beyond that rebranded, gimmicky trash coming down the pike from them tired cell phone vendors.

With the exception of the termination fee, this really just sounds like fanboy talk.

Verizon is a business and is pointing out some weaker aspects of AT&T's network. AT&T can just do ads about what's weak on Verizon's instead of crying about it.

Would you expect Verizon not to try to show their strengths against their competitor, who is taking business because of the iPhone?

I don't really get your point.
 
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