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The U.K. iPhone 4 Thread

CJM said:
Urgh. I was just about to buy a £15 12 month contract.

How bloody-minded is that?
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It's as bloody-minded as they were with the whole extra-charge-for-tethering fiasco. I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually, technically, matter what contract you are using for which phone - but on the other hand, I am not a Lawyer and there's probably some small print that says they can cut you off if you're on the wrong contract with an iPhone...
 
MikeWilson said:
Does anyone else know how much, e.g. Orange charge to unlock a phone? IIRC O2 want £15 and six months service out of you before they'll let you go happily on your way elsewhere.

I wish I'd bought two of those SIM free iPhones now. At least by waiting I'll be able to get a white one this time around for missus!
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think it's £20 to unlock
 
brianjcameron said:
I need sim free as i spend majority of the year travelling international with work, and prefer to use local sims for data.

Vodafone a potential option, no experience of 3, and tesco use o2 network so non starter.
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Use Vodafone, they have a special deal which gives you normal prices internationally. It's called Passport or something.
 
vescaegg said:
The man from o2 said however, they will NOT be supplying microsims for contracts other than the new 'proper' iphone tariffs and you cant get your number and contract transferred to one unless you pick one of the new fully iphone contracts. He said despite them replacing sims now if you lose it etc, they will not send out microsims unless you take out a new contract....
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What is a "proper" iPhone tariff? I'm on a tariff called "iPhone Simplicity 15" and if that's not a proper iPhone tariff I don't know what is. My local O2 shop is saying they expect to have micro SIMs on or around 24 June and they will swap an existing contract onto one. The last thing O2 are going to do is give existing customers a new reason to switch networks.
 
steve-p said:
What is a "proper" iPhone tariff? I'm on a tariff called "iPhone Simplicity 15" and if that's not a proper iPhone tariff I don't know what is. My local O2 shop is saying they expect to have micro SIMs on or around 24 June and they will swap an existing contract onto one. The last thing O2 are going to do is give existing customers a new reason to switch networks.
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They said the simplicity contracts dont count...

He said you need an 'iphone 4' contract. Im guessing these are the ones starting at £30.00 per month
 
vescaegg said:
Hey everyone,

I just got off the phone with o2 and, well if this is true, you guys robably wont like it.

I have a simplicity 30 day contract which is £20.00 per month and was enquiring about signing up for the 12 month version because its £5.00 a month cheaper. I was then planning to buy an iphone4 pay and go as no doubt many of you are.

The man from o2 said however, they will NOT be supplying microsims for contracts other than the new 'proper' iphone tariffs and you cant get your number and contract transferred to one unless you pick one of the new fully iphone contracts. He said despite them replacing sims now if you lose it etc, they will not send out microsims unless you take out a new contract....

He even went and checked with his supervisor who confirmed it....

Time to get the scissors out?! 😡
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"Option 2: Buy the iPhone 4 on Pay & Go.

If you don't want to upgrade to a new iPhone on a Pay Monthly contract, you can buy an iPhone 4 on Pay & Go. Remember you'll need to continue to pay for your existing Pay Monthly contract.

If you are going to use your existing Pay Monthly sim in iPhone 4, please ensure you Contact Us to transfer to an iPhone tariff if you are not already on one. Or you can use the Pay & Go Text & Web sim you will be provided with.

Pay Monthly customers with O2 Insure can move their new Pay & Go iPhone onto their existing O2 Insure policy. Just give us a call within the first 3 days of purchase to let us know."

I doubt they would allow you to do this and NOT give you a microsim. Probably a case of call centre staff not knowing what they're talking about as usual.
 
jakub said:
If you have completed your 12 month contract I don't see how O2 can stop you from picking any other contract you want.

I would still get the Iphone specific plan while you still can!
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sadly my contract does not end until the 23rd of September, just checked. So can only hope that deal you listed will stay until October 😛

thanks!
 
Jr1985 said:
"Option 2: Buy the iPhone 4 on Pay & Go.

If you don't want to upgrade to a new iPhone on a Pay Monthly contract, you can buy an iPhone 4 on Pay & Go. Remember you'll need to continue to pay for your existing Pay Monthly contract.

If you are going to use your existing Pay Monthly sim in iPhone 4, please ensure you Contact Us to transfer to an iPhone tariff if you are not already on one. Or you can use the Pay & Go Text & Web sim you will be provided with.

Pay Monthly customers with O2 Insure can move their new Pay & Go iPhone onto their existing O2 Insure policy. Just give us a call within the first 3 days of purchase to let us know."

I doubt they would allow you to do this and NOT give you a microsim. Probably a case of call centre staff not knowing what they're talking about as usual.
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Said it yourself.....
 
vescaegg said:
Hey everyone,

I just got off the phone with o2 and, well if this is true, you guys robably wont like it.

I have a simplicity 30 day contract which is £20.00 per month and was enquiring about signing up for the 12 month version because its £5.00 a month cheaper. I was then planning to buy an iphone4 pay and go as no doubt many of you are.

The man from o2 said however, they will NOT be supplying microsims for contracts other than the new 'proper' iphone tariffs and you cant get your number and contract transferred to one unless you pick one of the new fully iphone contracts. He said despite them replacing sims now if you lose it etc, they will not send out microsims unless you take out a new contract....

He even went and checked with his supervisor who confirmed it....

Time to get the scissors out?! 😡
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I don't want to sound arrogant, but honestly the best possible stance to adopt is that if it is not on the website, it is not true. Simple as. I have read this entire thread and have seen countless posts, from well meaning people, about how they were being told that all prices would be released yesterday at 6pm, at 9pm, you can reserve a phone for £60 in branch, etc and they all turned out to be baloney.

Having worked in a call centre a number of years ago, I know that one of the main goals is to get you off the phone as fast as possible. So some people will give you an answer, any answer, just to accomplish this.

Of course if everyone adopted this policy 75% of this thread would not exist. 😛 I just hope people realise that there is no reason to panic and just wait and see what information is officially released. It will help you preserve your sanity.
 
andybno1 said:
Orange plans are up: http://iphone.orange.co.uk/plans/#iphone-plans
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Cool, first time I've seen Payg prices anywhere. So far it doesn't look like SIM-free was a bad choice - I'm guessing these are locked, with an unlocking charge of about £19 😉 And then if they're like O2 they'll terminate the free internet. The extra cost and loss of perk is a price I'm willing to pay for freedom these days, with the networks being so dynamic at the moment.
 
JulianL said:
At least Orange didn't "do an O2" and withdraw the 12 month free non-WiFi data offer that they had with the 3GS. OK, 250MB is significantly lower than the others but I think I'll be OK with it, and it is genuinely no extra cost for the first 12 months, so I think Orange have my money.

I'm paranoid about battery life so I have all push functionality off. I like some peace and quiet so I rarely check email on my phone at. My calendar and contacts will be set to manual update so they'll only contact the server when I launch one of those apps (and maybe when I close it too) which I would guess is only once or twice a day on average. Most of my use will be occasional web access to google something or access Wikipedia and then maybe follow a few links. I live in London and will be buying the downloadable A-Z so I won't even be using it for maps. I really can't see 250MB being an issue for me.

How much data do folks here really use and what do you do to use that data?

- Julian
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My usage - I'm a freelance small business owner (software) who finds the typical personal contract a little too much. The 3Gs was my first PAYG (since the first ever Vodafone PAYG phone) and I've been on contract otherwise.

I use data for all the usual things that most people would - web, push mail & calendars, google apps, twitter, evernote (with images, files and audio), dropbox, RSS reader, etc...

But then I sometimes (rarely) also use additional data - sometimes maybe to bring up a YouTube clip that I want to share, or AirVideo to play video from my home PC.

Quite often, about once every week to ten days I need to spend a few minutes using TeamViewer/VNC/RDP to remote control either my PC at home (usually to retrieve and email files) or another machine.

I expect that 250mb/mo on Orange will be too low although I haven't been monitoring my usage over the past year (can O2 tell me what my usage has been over the past 12 months?), so I have to guess. But I guess 250mb is too low.
 
vescaegg said:
ok so basically, as perhaps i should have known, the call centre man and his supervisor are full of crap

thanks😀
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A pleasure - especially as I have a vested interest 😉

Over on the O2 forum, some people were told one thing and others the opposite, so it's good to have something official!
 
To those that are interested, I have compared the cost of buying a 32gb on PAYG against the cost of a 32gb 18mth contracts (all based on Orange pricing) on a Net Present Value basis (I am an Accountant!):

18 mth £35 tarrif: £11 more expensive than PAYG
18 mth £40 tarrif: £48 more expensive than PAYG
18 mth £45 tarrif: £85 more expensive than PAYG

The above folds in the time value of money at 4% (a subjective choice) compounded monthly. I have also factored in selling my 3g for £173.

Although it is marginally more expensive than PAYG, there is the bonus of not having to outlay the extra money at the start. However, you're then tied in for 18mths.
 
Just off an online chat with O2, they told me Apple control the prices of the phone so they have to wait for them. Those who have any simplicity contract purchased before June 24 with get unlimited internet and will not be capped come October.
 
Cold Feet!

Quite bizarrely, despite being due an upgrade since February, eagerly waiting for the iPhone 4, following every development, registering for updates from all carriers, and then reserving one at the Apple Store, I have woken up this morning with a slight case of:

"Why the hell am I even thinking of spending such a daft about of money on a phone!"

I'm currently looking at cheap handsets to buy outright and have on a monthly contract.

Someone bring me back around please!
 
just called o2. cant order a micro sim becasue theyre not available to order. lady said i wil have to go and pick one up in the store on the 24th...

and no, i dont want to cut my sim card up thanks 🙂
 
MikeWilson said:
My usage - I'm a freelance small business owner (software) who finds the typical personal contract a little too much. The 3Gs was my first PAYG (since the first ever Vodafone PAYG phone) and I've been on contract otherwise.

I use data for all the usual things that most people would - web, push mail & calendars, google apps, twitter, evernote (with images, files and audio), dropbox, RSS reader, etc...

But then I sometimes (rarely) also use additional data - sometimes maybe to bring up a YouTube clip that I want to share, or AirVideo to play video from my home PC.

Quite often, about once every week to ten days I need to spend a few minutes using TeamViewer/VNC/RDP to remote control either my PC at home (usually to retrieve and email files) or another machine.

I expect that 250mb/mo on Orange will be too low although I haven't been monitoring my usage over the past year (can O2 tell me what my usage has been over the past 12 months?), so I have to guess. But I guess 250mb is too low.
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For what it's worth I agree with you, you have sone quite demanding usage there and I suspect that for you 250MB will be too little.

- Julian
 
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