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Apple has a note on some of its tech spec pages that says the MacBook Pro 16 inch can use the USB ports on the XDR as USB 3.0 which implies that other Macs cannot.

I am looking for information to show how USB works on the XDR for different Thunderbolt connection types:

Situations that could allow USB 3.0 (but want to make sure since the tech specs are useless):
1) The display is connected with Thunderbolt 3 to a computer that has a Thunderbolt bus with a DisplayPort 1.4 connection to an AMD Navi GPU, Nvidia RTX, or Intel Ice Lake GPU, that supports DSC. The MacBook Pro 16 inch matches this situation; do other Macs supporting DSC also match this situation?
2) The display is connected with Thunderbolt 3 to a computer that has a Thunderbolt bus with only one DisplayPort signal (a Hackintosh)
3) The display is connected with Thunderbolt 3 to a computer that has a GPU that only supports DisplayPort 1.2 (a Mac that has older Intel or AMD graphics)

Probably USB 2.0 but could be USB 3.0 with reduced PCIe bandwidth:
4) The display is connected with Thunderbolt 3 to a Mac or Blackmagic eGPU that has a Thunderbolt bus with two DisplayPort 1.4 connections to a GPU that does not support DSC (a Mac Pro with 580X, Vega II or Vega II Duo, an iMac or MacBook Pro with recent but non-Navi AMD graphics).

Non-Thunderbolt connections can only be USB 2.0 so we don't need info about that.

Connect a USB 3.x device to the XDR and run the following commands:
Code:
{
/System/Library/Extensions/AppleGraphicsControl.kext/Contents/MacOS/AGDCDiagnose -a | grep -E 'BR|DSC|Pixel|Bit|Color|Range|Link|Lane'
ioreg -w0 -irtk locationID
system_profiler SPHardwareDataType SPThunderboltDataType SPUSBDataType SPPCIDataType SPDisplaysDataType | sed '/ial Number/d;/UUID/d'
} > XDR_Usb_Thunderbolt_PCI_Info.txt 2>&1
open .
The resulting XDR_Usb_Thunderbolt_PCI_Info.txt file, which you can examine, will contain info about the DisplayPort connection(s) to the XDR so we can see what bandwidth remains for USB. The result will also contain info about the USB controllers, hubs, and devices, so we can see if they are connected using USB 2.0 or USB 3.0.
 
Hopefully that will change this year. The XDR has all the features I covet as a developer, but its fancy stuff for creatives is totally wasted on me. And still, I’ve ordered and cancelled it twice now! 😂

I'm also a developer. I want the most real estate I can get at 200DPI. I have the LG 5K, but it has terrible image retention. The only alternative is the Pro Display XDR.

I really hope the iMac redesign will have a 6K display.
 
I'm also a developer. I want the most real estate I can get at 200DPI. I have the LG 5K, but it has terrible image retention. The only alternative is the Pro Display XDR.

I really hope the iMac redesign will have a 6K display.
As an update, I ended up getting an XDR. An iMac was never an option for me since I have to use a work-issued MBP. I absolutely, positively haven't regretted it for a second. It's an amazing monitor in every way, and outstanding for software development. I've though about how I'm not using its "pro" features exactly zero times since I started using it regularly.
 
As an update, I ended up getting an XDR. An iMac was never an option for me since I have to use a work-issued MBP. I absolutely, positively haven't regretted it for a second. It's an amazing monitor in every way, and outstanding for software development. I've though about how I'm not using its "pro" features exactly zero times since I started using it regularly.

Sweet, I bet it's a dream to dev on. Enjoy it!

"Why is it $6,000?" -my wife. 😅
 
I am considering an XDR to go with a new 16" MBP (which I have not bought yet). How is the fan noise? I would also hook up a third display, either a 27" Thunderbolt or a 30" Apple Cinema.
 
I am considering an XDR to go with a new 16" MBP (which I have not bought yet). How is the fan noise? I would also hook up a third display, either a 27" Thunderbolt or a 30" Apple Cinema.

The Pro Display XDR’s fan noise is non-existent. However, my 16 with 5500M was running warmer and more easily revving up its fans in an audible manner when the display was connected directly to it. Once I switched to an eGPU, it was like night and day. Now I run games on the XDR at native 6K resolution with the 16’s fans at the absolute minimum speed - and, naturally, inaudible.

Note that the MBP’s fans never go below ~1800 rpm, no matter how idle the machine is or what’s connected to it, and they begin to become audible around 2700. Also, note that I didn’t just transfer the noise problem from my MBP to the eGPU: the eGPU is VERY quiet. Here’s my setup:

- Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 650
- SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT
- Belkin cable for Huawei VR Glass

Perhaps if you buy your 16 with the new 5600M, it will stay cool with the XDR connected directly to it. But the eGPU route still gives you expandability in the future For about the same price. I expect to be able to roughly double my GPU power in the future, before Apple drops support for new eGPUs on Intel hardware.
 
So are the Sonnet eGPU and Sapphire card sold separately?

I bought them separately.I did my homework and, at the time, (and still today I think) those two were the ones to get.

One more thing: the only “mod” that I came up with on my own was to disconnect the Breakaway Box’s internal fan and leave its metal cover off. That made it silent as far as my ears can tell, while remaining fully stable.
 
Apple seems to say that the only eGPU that supports the 6K is the BlackMagic one, but they stopped making the higher end model.
 
Apple seems to say that the only eGPU that supports the 6K is the BlackMagic one, but they stopped making the higher end model.

Indeed, they never say that the Pro Display XDR supports another eGPU, however Apple states that the mac does support other eGPUs besides Blackmagic, including exactly the box and card I got, in a separate knowledge base article. They just never say that the eGPU setup will work in native 6K on the XDR, but myself and others have verified that it does work in native 6K. Furthermore, there's no reason why it could stop working in the future, since Apple is committed to making drivers for AMD graphics cards, and there's nothing special or particularly hard about supporting 6K resolution in the driver. Obviously they've already implemented it in the current drivers, including the DSC capability and everything.
 
Can anyone tell me what is the dimension for the Pro Stand box?
 
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Just pulled the trigger on a Pro Display XDR! Is anyone here using a XDR with a 2018 15" MBP?

I'm curious how older hardware like my 2018 MBP (2.9Ghz i9, Radeon Pro 560X 4GB) will do driving both the external 6K XDR simultaneously with its own display. At idle, will the fans be spinning above 2K RPM?
 
Just pulled the trigger on a Pro Display XDR! Is anyone here using a XDR with a 2018 15" MBP?

I have the 2018 that I frequently use with the XDR (most of the time it's dedicated to my Mac Pro), and it works fine in dual display mode. You will hear the fans more depending upon your room/case temperature, it's a fact of using the dedicated GPU vs falling back to integrated video. It's isn't super smooth but it works just fine in dual display mode, however, I usually close the lid and focus on the single display (I have a the XDR camera and external mic/speakers for conferencing).

FYI, there is another thread on the XDR as well.
 
I have the 2018 that I frequently use with the XDR (most of the time it's dedicated to my Mac Pro), and it works fine in dual display mode. You will hear the fans more depending upon your room/case temperature, it's a fact of using the dedicated GPU vs falling back to integrated video. It's isn't super smooth but it works just fine in dual display mode, however, I usually close the lid and focus on the single display (I have a the XDR camera and external mic/speakers for conferencing).

FYI, there is another thread on the XDR as well.

Thanks. Can you expand on it not being 'super smooth'? Is this during watching videos, or everyday use of scrolling through webpages, working in productivity apps, or creative apps like Photoshop?
 
Thanks. Can you expand on it not being 'super smooth'? Is this during watching videos, or everyday use of scrolling through webpages, working in productivity apps, or creative apps like Photoshop?

It's subjective, so I can't. It could be that the GPU and CPU in the MacBook Pro are significantly less powerful than the Mac Pro – similar to how a 12" MacBook feels like an old dog compared to an iPad Pro.
 
Hi guys,

Two questions:

1) Do we know for sure that the W5700 can work with the XDR @6K via USB if it's in a Windows machine? I assume we need some Bootcamp drivers or no?
2) Have we found any mechanical switch that will let us change between dual TB3/USB-C connections into the single input of the XDR? I remember someone rigging some StarTech KVM, but I'm hoping for something a bit more simple/elegant :)
 
For people with dual pro display xdr set ups do you find it too wide to see from across screen to screen? I love my new pro display xdr but do miss having two monitors for productivity purposes.
 
In the European Union, the Pro Display XDR now has an energy label… and it's the lowest possible (category G). For example, see the Irish website: https://www.apple.com/ie/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr.

pro-display-xdr-energy-label-202103-full
 
@joevt and any others...

Today is the launch of Intel's 11th gen desktop CPUs. All of which have native TB4 support, and HBR3 via models with an iGPU. I'm considering getting an ASRock motherboard that has integrated TB4.

I'm wondering if there's a chance full 6K will be supported on the XDR? The Intel specs show two displays at 5K60, but I wouldn't expect them to call out 6016 x 3384 since that's not a resolution outside of the XDR.
 
@joevt and any others...

Today is the launch of Intel's 11th gen desktop CPUs. All of which have native TB4 support, and HBR3 via models with an iGPU. I'm considering getting an ASRock motherboard that has integrated TB4.

I'm wondering if there's a chance full 6K will be supported on the XDR? The Intel specs show two displays at 5K60, but I wouldn't expect them to call out 6016 x 3384 since that's not a resolution outside of the XDR.
I think Rocket Lake is supposed to be able to support three 4K60 displays (1600MHz total CVT-RB), and two 5K60 displays (1878MHz total CVT-RB). 6K60 is only 1286MHz (Apple).

It may even support 8K60 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Lake but I can't find anything definitive from Intel.
8K60 is 2069MHz (CVT-RB2) or 2090MHz (CVT-RB) or 2376MHz (HDMI).

The Intel GPU should have support for DSC so if it's not limited to 5K60 then it could do 6K60. I don't think I've seen a PC do dual HBR3 over Thunderbolt to do 6K60 on the XDR without DSC.

Apple doesn't use 11th gen desktop or mobile CPUs so I wouldn't try either of them for Hackintoshing yet.

The desktop CPUs don't have integrated Thunderbolt. Some Z590 motherboards like the one you linked have the Intel JHL8540 Maple Ridge discrete USB4/Thunderbolt 4 Controller.

Big Sur doesn't have discrete USB4 driver yet. DSC is broken in Big Sur but I'm not sure if that's true for the XDR. Maybe someone here can test (if they have a DSC capable GPU).
 
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I think Rocket Lake is supposed to be able to support three 4K60 displays (1600MHz total CVT-RB), and two 5K60 displays (1878MHz total CVT-RB). 6K60 is only 1286MHz (Apple).

It may even support 8K60 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Lake but I can't find anything definitive from Intel.
8K60 is 2069MHz (CVT-RB2) or 2090MHz (CVT-RB) or 2376MHz (HDMI).

The Intel GPU should have support for DSC so if it's not limited to 5K60 then it could do 6K60. I don't think I've seen a PC do dual HBR3 over Thunderbolt to do 6K60 on the XDR without DSC.

Apple doesn't use 11th gen desktop or mobile CPUs so I wouldn't try either of them for Hackintoshing yet.

The desktop CPUs don't have integrated Thunderbolt. Some Z590 motherboards like the one you linked have the Intel JHL8540 Maple Ridge discrete USB4/Thunderbolt 4 Controller.

Big Sur doesn't have discrete USB4 driver yet. DSC is broken in Big Sur but I'm not sure if that's true for the XDR. Maybe someone here can test (if they have a DSC capable GPU).

Regarding TB4 on Rocket Lake-S: I think it's integrated into the SoC. Which is how it is on Ice Lake (basis for Rocket Lake-S), so it should provide improved performance akin to what is demonstrated in this video showing TB3 support on an Ice Lake vs. Comet Lake-H. Although Intel uses the work "discrete" when referencing TB4 support on Rocket Lake-S. Color me confused!

I do have (several!) DSC-capable GPUs if there's something you'd like me to test.

I might just have to buy that TB4 motherboard and an i5-11400 just to test with my XDR.
 
Regarding TB4 on Rocket Lake-S: I think it's integrated into the SoC. Which is how it is on Ice Lake (basis for Rocket Lake-S), so it should provide improved performance akin to what is demonstrated in this video showing TB3 support on an Ice Lake vs. Comet Lake-H. Although Intel uses the work "discrete" when referencing TB4 support on Rocket Lake-S. Color me confused!

I do have (several!) DSC-capable GPUs if there's something you'd like me to test.

I might just have to buy that TB4 motherboard and an i5-11400 just to test with my XDR.
I just want to know if M1 has DSC so my USB ports in the back can run at 3.0 speeds :-(
 
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