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The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.
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That's why you don't upgrade until you do research 
I held off on the 8.0.1 update and I'm glad I did! I wish I would've stayed on iOS 7 until 8.1, but I've learned my lesson now when iOS 9 launches, I'll stay on 8 until the smoke clears lol
I held off on the 8.0.1 update and I'm glad I did! I wish I would've stayed on iOS 7 until 8.1, but I've learned my lesson now when iOS 9 launches, I'll stay on 8 until the smoke clears lol
That's why you don't upgrade until you do research
True unless you have what you deem is a must have app that requires you to upgrade your OS to get the latest security features / functions. Then the decision becomes a little more difficult.
Amen! I have said the same thing in this thread and others.
Apple has done a complete 180 and is releasing software like Microsoft did in the 90's. Crippling pc's and devices left and right and still not able to fix their problems with X.x updates.
Apple's MO used to be: if it supported the new OS, your older hardware will now run faster; If it slowed down the hardware, then they didn't support its install.
Snow Leopard was the last great software update Apple has put out imnsho. I am VERY concerned for the OSX platform and am very close to completely losing trust in iOS.
I agree that it's totally bass-ackwards now. Each version of Windows since Windows 7 has run better and equally as fast on aged equipment. I'm currently running Windows 8.1 Pro x64 on a 2007 ThinkPad T60 with 3GB of ram. Absolutely no issues and it's just as quick if not a little quicker than Windows 7 x64.
Yeah that's true!! Either have the latest apps/security updates, or have a faster/less laggy device. It is a hard choice when it comes down to it. I don't mind updating to rhe latest and greatest OS, if it's smooth lol
Lol at some peoples ridiculousness in this thread and complete pure hyperbole and sheer overexaggertion
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All windows 8 really was to optimize and stream line windows 7 more, thats not really a suprise there, the rate mobile operating systems are going is tons faster then what desktop os's are moving at now, mobile OS's are growing and requiring even more power to keep up with the demand of the OS
Mobile OS's see a major update almost every single year
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What people dont understand is that we are way long past the days of cortex A8/Cortex A9 cores, no **** the 4S doesnt run iOS 8 that well it has old ass hardware, 6/5S and even 5 are so much faster then the 4S its like going from a Pentium to a Core i processor, long gone are the days of weak old cortex A9 cores, we have core performance that is literally over 5X better nowadays, I can see the 5S/6 easily going up to like at least iOS 11-12 the latest
For those who dont know, iOS 8 is literally the biggest change to iOS ever under the hood and so much has been added (over 4,000 new API's And more) ...its no wonder why the 4S cant run it so well. Anyone who is suprised by that needs a reality check
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All windows 8 really was to optimize and stream line windows 7 more, thats not really a suprise there, the rate mobile operating systems are going is tons faster then what desktop os's are moving at now, mobile OS's are growing and requiring even more power to keep up with the demand of the OS
Mobile OS's see a major update almost every single year
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What people dont understand is that we are way long past the days of cortex A8/Cortex A9 cores, no **** the 4S doesnt run iOS 8 that well it has old ass hardware, 6/5S and even 5 are so much faster then the 4S its like going from a Pentium to a Core i processor, long gone are the days of weak old cortex A9 cores, we have core performance that is literally over 5X better nowadays, I can see the 5S/6 easily going up to like at least iOS 11-12 the latest
For those who dont know, iOS 8 is literally the biggest change to iOS ever under the hood and so much has been added (over 4,000 new API's And more) ...its no wonder why the 4S cant run it so well. Anyone who is suprised by that needs a reality check
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Well to an extent you're right but OTOH a lot of code was changed from Windows 7 to Windows 8. The Start Page and the Live Tiles are just a few changes made and there was a kernel update as well. The point being that even with the several changes MS made to Windows it did not impact the performance of Windows 8.
I would like to see that in iOS. I could tolerate a trade off from a slight degradation in performance but when the most current model at the time the iPad Air showed performance hits running iOS 7, that began to raise a few eyebrows.
As it stands I have not upgraded any of my devices to iOS 8 until I read confirmation that the performance has smoothed out on older devices.
Reality check? If it was so big of a change, why did Apple support it for the 4S? Or iPad 2? iPad 3rd gen?
The REALITY is that their management remembers the days when upgrades made hardware faster. There is a breakdown between expectations and results somewhere between top management, product managers and the customers.
I see several possibilities, there are probably more.
1. OS product managers are not delivering on executive management's expectations based on Apple's past MO. Can't? Don't know? Don't care?
2. Executive management refuses to admit they can't deliver updates like they once did. Won't? Don't care?
3. There is a internal fight going on somewhere in the organization over what products should be supported in iOS and OSX updates.
I will give you one industry insider story. When I worked for one of the top 3 news magazines in the 90's, I was invited to a preview dog and pony show for our Tech Editors and they invited us IT department dweebs to attend and ask questions.
Brad Silverberg, who headed Win95 development and the sales VP almost had an awkward argument in front of us when our head of IT asked about which processors and what minimum memory would be supported, because it would affect our entire PC fleet. Silverberg did not want to support below a specific mark and the VP of sales contradicted him at almost the exact same time. It was very silent and awkward as they tried to answer and continue.
When the product came out, we were able to see the sales VP won that argument and there ended up being a lot of slow PC's that we ended up wiping and reinstalling 3.11 until we were due to buy more replacement machines.
Come to your own conclusions, but I am starting to see more and more of this out of Apple.
There is no way the 4s and iPad 2 should have been supported and it will have long term affects in my opinion.
I agree, it will be in the positive. I'm happy apple has shown it is willing to support older hardware. Makes me more comfortable in buying an iphone or ipad, knowing that beyond a year it will be supported.
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I'm equally puzzled why Apple wants to sell A5 devices and they dropped the A6X? That's part of the problem.
I don't think you understood my argument at all. Or you are disagreeing with it, but not making yourself clear to me.
You are happy they included the 4s and the ipad2? You are happy because they made these devices slow down and become more buggy and with no official way to reinstall an older iOS?
You are happy about this? It makes your phone and ipad have a shorter life span because the user will want to upgrade before they should need too (good for them, bad for user).
The term "support the install" doesn't mean what I think you think it means -- or at least what your post suggests.
It means if the 4s and iPad 2 was not supported, you would not have even had the option to upgrade to iOS 8 through the automatic update. Therefore, not slowing down millions of user's devices and leaving them scratching their heads when Apple tells them they can't re-install iOS 7.
I want them to pay attention to older hardware also; to keep them secure and improving their features, not making them slow and stuttery. They used to know how to do this.
A lot of people here prefer the new features of an iOS, even if it trashes their device. Baffling. After iOS7 turned my father's iPhone 4 into a brick, and raped my then iPhone 5's battery life by several hours, I have learned never to update beyond the last release of the version of iOS that my phone ships with. It takes Apple a whole year to rid an o/s of 90% of the bugs, then they start all over again *and* slow your device down/rape the battery too. Best to stick with something that works, when it finally does...
It's interesting and somewhat puzzling that people are bashing Apple. I dont see a problem with their upgrade practices. A company that is successful and stays that way is quite the accomplishment in today's competitive environment.
I am happy with the ipad 2. The bolded....well honestly there is a little bit of lag under 8.1.2...however...on the whole it performs like 7.1.2 and I am very happy to be rid of IOS 6. Where the lag is, I couldn't care. Slow and stuttery my ipad 2 is not and there is no reason to go backwards in terms of IOS.
I also have 7.1.2 installed on an iphone 4. While that is the last update that phone is likely to see, again I am happy with the update. Really nothing consequential in terms of places/features that make the phone unusable.
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Or not, with respect to the bolded. IOS 7.1.2 works fine enough for me on my iphone 4, as I just got done saying.
The fundamental difference between Microsoft and Apple software updating is this:
1. Microsoft makes OS which runs as smoothly and lag free on hardware which is even 6 years old. Their Intention is to capture market share and hence derive more revenue.
2. Apple, being a hardware company makes OS which will run best ONLY on current top-of-the-line iDevice of that year. The experience on older devices is adjusted in such a way as to compel the faithful customers to upgrade to the latest iDevice.
So I consider Microsoft's strategy like buying a game from App Store for $2 one time fee. While Apple's strategy is like buying a game from App Store for free but is riddled with In-App purchases.
...and we already know which strategy earns most money!
1. Microsoft makes OS which runs as smoothly and lag free on hardware which is even 6 years old. Their Intention is to capture market share and hence derive more revenue.
2. Apple, being a hardware company makes OS which will run best ONLY on current top-of-the-line iDevice of that year. The experience on older devices is adjusted in such a way as to compel the faithful customers to upgrade to the latest iDevice.
So I consider Microsoft's strategy like buying a game from App Store for $2 one time fee. While Apple's strategy is like buying a game from App Store for free but is riddled with In-App purchases.
...and we already know which strategy earns most money!
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YMMV, but I am not happy that it slowed down a device that was working pretty darn good and there are a lot of people here and elsewhere who agree. You seem to be missing the point of this debate so I will not bother you specifically anymore. Thank you for your contributions.
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I guess you don't remember how Apple almost died and was revived by going Open Source and writing and OS that smoked everything out there and made older equipment faster.
Personally, I am not bashing. I am concerned about my professional use of their products. This is not just a 'fan site'.
They are creeping back to the Apple that almost died if anyone asks me (which of course they didn't, but its an open forum
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Horse Pucky
YMMV, but I am not happy that it slowed down a device that was working pretty darn good and there are a lot of people here and elsewhere who agree. You seem to be missing the point of this debate so I will not bother you specifically anymore. Thank you for your contributions.
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I guess you don't remember how Apple almost died and was revived by going Open Source and writing and OS that smoked everything out there and made older equipment faster.
Personally, I am not bashing. I am concerned about my professional use of their products. This is not just a 'fan site'.
They are creeping back to the Apple that almost died if anyone asks me (which of course they didn't, but its an open forum
I didn't miss the point of debate as much as you missed the point some are grateful for the support and they don't believe their device was slowed down. Does that mean every screen, every swipe operates at 60 fps? No, it means the device is eminently usable.
You don't understand how apple works, they want to keep their devices as secure as possible and they do it by locking you
I will bite one last time. You don't seem to get the difference between support for updates and support for installs. It seems I can't help you, maybe someone else can.
What? I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say I don't get it, but I'm discussing new IOS major versions. IOS 6 to ios7 to IOS 8.
They locked the iPod touch 4th gen on IOS6 due to hardware not keeping up. No one is arguing that IOS has more changes and is more power hungry, what people are complaining about tis that 99% of apple home owners will see an update is available and simply click and install. Then they find their very expensive apple product runs like crap, and what's worse they can't undo it.
You expect to get more than a year of use out of an expensive device, they are not a throw away commodity at the prices for most people.
Or they find their expensive Apple product runs just fine and they are happy that Apple is providing support for their older device.