The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.

[DomC]

Maybe the answer is not to upgrade, I think more people will be cautious in future.

Having a 4s I've been one of the users who have been cautious and not upgraded to iOS8. Having made that choice I'm out of luck if I ever need to do a restore since I'll be forced on to the new OS. So I have a choice but only if the phone doesn't act up?

 

[baller1308]

Don't upgrade right away, do research first, let other people test it out on your device.

Oh Vista is new, I should upgrade to try out the new things. Ends up being a terrible decision based on other users experiences, which is why I am still on Windows 7. Will finally might make the jump to Windows 10.

 

[blacksurfer]

I'm keeping my iPad 2 on 7.1.2 but if something goes wrong I'll have to update to the latest 8. All we're saying is give us the choice to remain at 7.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Having a 4s I've been one of the users who have been cautious and not upgraded to iOS8. Having made that choice I'm out of luck if I ever need to do a restore since I'll be forced on to the new OS. So I have a choice but only if the phone doesn't act up?

I found a solution to doing a restore without upgrading. Turn off wifi on your iPhone and computer. Whipe your iPhone then go into iTunes and, it will attempt to update the software on your whipped phone, fail and, restore the iOS you were already running. Did it with my 4S to stay on 6.1.3 and, fix a issue with it.

 

[Rodster]

I found a solution to doing a restore without upgrading. Turn off wifi on your iPhone and computer. Whipe your iPhone then go into iTunes and, it will attempt to update the software on your whipped phone, fail and, restore the iOS you were already running. Did it with my 4S to stay on 6.1.3 and, fix a issue with it.

If all you want to do is a simple erase and reset all settings, there's NO need for any of that. I still have my iPad's on either iOS 5 or iOS 7 and have had to erase and reset them in the past. All I do is follow the prompts and on the screen, login with my Apple ID, enable iCloud and when it's done the OS is left intact.

The only way any of my iPad's will receive the current version of iOS is if WiFi is turned on and my iPad is charging.

 

[Italianblend]

In fact, they're probably licking their chops at this because iOS 7/8 were so buggy that people will be looking to upgrade sooner than 2yrs.

Hence, a buggy os actually benefits Apple.

 

[I7guy]

Hence, a buggy os actually benefits Apple.

In the same way a bad car benefits the automakers, right? Or a bad product benefits the economy because the product is bought twice.

 

[joejoejoe]

It's a business, man.

Get over it.

 

[Italianblend]

In the same way a bad car benefits the automakers, right? Or a bad product benefits the economy because the product is bought twice.

Meaning Apple gets richer by crippling its own hardware with software which forces people to buy new hardware.

 

[I7guy]

Meaning Apple gets richer by crippling its own hardware with software which forces people to buy new hardware.

I agree if you are a conspiracy theory advocate. What you are saying is applicable to every company in the world that manufactures a product, if you believe in planned deliberate obsolescence.

I don't.

 

[Italianblend]

I agree if you are a conspiracy theory advocate. What you are saying is applicable to every company in the world that manufactures a product, if you believe in planned deliberate obsolescence.

I don't.

April fool? Are you seriously saying that companies wouldn't intentionally cripple their own products to make more profit?

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I agree if you are a conspiracy theory advocate. What you are saying is applicable to every company in the world that manufactures a product, if you believe in planned deliberate obsolescence.

I don't.

April fool? Are you seriously saying that companies wouldn't intentionally cripple their own products to make more profit?

This marketing tecneque has been used for many years by many differnet companies. The idea is genius and great for profit (bad to the customers however)

Think about it this way. You want to make money. You build up a reputation so good, it is hard to break. Then, you deliver a new product that everyone expects to be just as good as its predecessor. However, the company made more of a profit for selling the dummied down item than the high tech one (or even one that breaks the predecessor's durability quicker)!

General Motors used to do this
Dodge/chrysler is guilty of this
Even Honda is guilty of this

Looking back at your iPhone, (same model different iOS) you have the same phone. However, the software slows your model down and, causes it to glitch out more. By doing this, the consumers will go out earlier and buy there new iPhone once there contract is up.

How about durability? Accidently drop a iPhone 3GS, your fine wit just a minor scratch. Same drop, same conditions with a iPhone 6+, oops your phone has bent, it now has a black blob in the screen from the shattered LCD and, oops it's totaled looks like you have to go out and buy a new iPhone 6+!

 

[I7guy]

April fool? Are you seriously saying that companies wouldn't intentionally cripple their own products to make more profit?

Yes. I'm saying that companies that do that (and I can't actually cite any examples), don't usually survive and prosper once the public catches on. OTOH, I can't cite examples of companies that actually have been proven to cripple their products either.

Either way it's all internet talk, unless you have some examples on either side.

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This marketing tecneque has been used for many years by many differnet companies. The idea is genius and great for profit (bad to the customers however)

Think about it this way. You want to make money. You build up a reputation so good, it is hard to break. Then, you deliver a new product that everyone expects to be just as good as its predecessor. However, the company made more of a profit for selling the dummied down item than the high tech one (or even one that breaks the predecessor's durability quicker)!

General Motors used to do this
Dodge/chrysler is guilty of this
Even Honda is guilty of this

Looking back at your iPhone, (same model different iOS) you have the same phone. However, the software slows your model down and, causes it to glitch out more. By doing this, the consumers will go out earlier and buy there new iPhone once there contract is up.

How about durability? Accidently drop a iPhone 3GS, your fine wit just a minor scratch. Same drop, same conditions with a iPhone 6+, oops your phone has bent, it now has a black blob in the screen from the shattered LCD and, oops it's totaled looks like you have to go out and buy a new iPhone 6+!

Your examples, smack more of bad product design and incompetence than deliberate obsolescence.

To use your example of dropping a phone, crash a 1955 Cadillac and crash a 2015 Cadillac see the difference in damage.

As far as Apple, it seems there are many varied circumstances and opinions based on configurations and perception. For example my ipad 2 and 5s work fine for me on 8.2. Some functionality, like the copy/paste in Safari does not work as well as 7.1.3, but I don't consider that a deal breaker; rather an annoyance.

 

[Italianblend]

Your examples, smack more of bad product design and incompetence than deliberate obsolescence.

So, if a previous model is more hearty (less breakable) than a current model, you seriously believe that it was not noticed by anyone on the design team and not consciously decided on? Give me a break. The designers know exactly how durable their devices are.

 

[e93to]

I had iPhone 4, and I held onto iOS 5 for almost 3 years… Yup. THREE years! I updated to iOS 7 in September of 2014 in order to get a proper back-up for iPhone hardware update.

I didn't like the fact that updates were automatically downloaded to my iPhone 4, which used to take up 3gb…. I tried deleting the downloaded update package, but there was no way to do it. And there was always red notification alert on the Settings icon. Yeah… I lived with that for 3 years.

Was there any harm in using iOS 5 until recently? No… Not at all. There were security risks, but that was about it. Some newer apps were not supported on iOS 5, but I didn't mind that. Phone operated smoothly. There were no bugs. It provided good user experience.

On the flip side, was there harm in updating to iOS 7? Well, yes. Graphics/animations became very choppy. It took a lot of time to open any apps. Safari would quit very often (I guess RAM couldn't handle newer webpage designs…). And, worst of all, battery barely lasted 4 hours. Sure, my phone had latest security features, but that was the only positive aspect of updating to iOS 7. Now that I look back, the security features were not worth all the hassle and trouble iOS 7 gave me.

My new iPhone 5S came with iOS 8. And I am planning to keep iOS 8 until I get a new phone. And I hope to keep my iPhone 5S for at least 5 years.

I am not a techie at all. I am not knowledgable in these gadgets. I just know about computers slightly more than average users. Average users make 99.9999% of iPhone users. These people do not know a thing about what ios update is. Looking at how updates are automatically downloaded to the phone, yes, Apple seems to be forcing the users to update. Do these clueless people know that these updates will affect performance and battery life? No. For them, the term "update" probably means "improvements" in many different areas. So did the people around me who "chose" to update get improved user experience? Not at all.

I won't say Apple is at fault. After all, Apple is a company, and they are interested in growth. However, I'll say that updates can be handled differently. For example, users could be allowed to install select features instead of the entire update package.

 

[dukebound85]

How about durability? Accidently drop a iPhone 3GS, your fine wit just a minor scratch. Same drop, same conditions with a iPhone 6+, oops your phone has bent, it now has a black blob in the screen from the shattered LCD and, oops it's totaled looks like you have to go out and buy a new iPhone 6+!

Huh? the 3GS would have shattered also...

 

[ardchoille50]

I don't install updates unless a) it will fix something that is wrong with the current version or b) provides functionality that I need but am not able to use with the current version. And then I research the update for a couple of months prior to updating. Please don't blame Apple for your lack of diligence.

 

[FatPuppy]

I love how people defend apple. Windows was never slow, windows xp was ok, vista was buggy but a tad slower, windows 7 was fast, 8 was the fastest and less resource demanding and yet every version of them added updates and features.

 

[nordique]

Sure there may be revisionist history regarding the new iOS every time it's released (and people miss the old one) but I do think there is merit to the iOS 8 complaints

I've never really had issues with prior iOS systems until iOS 8.

iOS 8 is overalk my favorite ios too, with the quick text replies and widgets sealing the deal for me in that regard.

However it is extremely buggy even to this day. I noticed it the first day with the operating system on my iPhone 6 at that time and I was concerned with it. People who are complaining about ios 8 are not simply saying the same thing they say every year, it is a genuinely buggy and botched release. It's improved much since the 8.1 update but it's still buggy.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I don't install updates unless a) it will fix something that is wrong with the current version or b) provides functionality that I need but am not able to use with the current version. And then I research the update for a couple of months prior to updating. Please don't blame Apple for your lack of diligence.

Yep same. Being Informed of a good and a bad update will save you time and money! IF you pull the trigger too soon, you can and Probally will mess up your apple device. .

It's not too late to start now! Do your reaserch!

 

[Italianblend]

Yep same. Being Informed of a good and a bad update will save you time and money! IF you pull the trigger too soon, you can and Probally will mess up your apple device. .

It's not too late to start now! Do your reaserch!

Do you really think it should be this way? Or should Apple customers trust apple?

 

[I7guy]

Do you really think it should be this way? Or should Apple customers trust apple?

One can't control how the masses view anything. I update and don't worry about it.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Is it worth the update? Insight on my system and how it saves time and frustration

Do you really think it should be this way? Or should Apple customers trust apple?

Personally, I would love to trust Apple. However, I care about my apple devices and, let my friends be my test subjects to tell me if they like each iOS update. It's like a reputation. 7.x lost my trust in Apple. . However, there is always time for redemption.

iOS, OSX and iTunes have come a long way. However, us customers should be informative about each update. We should know what each update contains (changes and new features) and known the risks and other misc problems that each iOS update contains.

Doing these steps will help you be happier and, have your Apple device to reflect your preferences, and be more durable/reliable.

Current iOS--> 7.1
Is it reliable? --> yes (7.1 saved my iPad Air)
How bad are the glitches--> minor to slight
Is it slow? --> no (not as quick as 6.x but pretty darn quick)

Example: 8.0.2 on iPad 2
Is it reliable? --> no
How bad are the glitches--> severe (people with iOS 8.0.2 were constantly complaining and, it is one of the most unreliable updates in Apple's History [it was the only one to have its plug pulled mid way through])
Is it slow --> yes (even with reduce motion, lag is severe)

New features--> widgets, tips app, built in podcasts and iBooks, Yosemite integration.

Overall, is it worth the hassle to update?
No, it is unreliable, would ruin the performance of my iPad and, has features I am not crazy about (iBooks as a stock app infuriates me, I like my old wooden bookshelf)

Did i just save myself from complaining to my friends and, having a less efficent iPad yep

That is why you should know what each update contains and, analyze the pros and cons to tell if you will be happy with the update.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

One can't control how the masses view anything. I update and don't worry about it.

There are 2 different perspectives to this fiasco. We have different opinions about software updates.

What I I am trying to say is that this is a good thing. Arguments and speaking out help our voices be heard.

I respect your opinion and, would like to state mine. I got obsessed with Apple products with iOS 7. since then, I no longer trust Apple and, ensure I am happy with each update before Inpull the trigger. I obsess about preformance and tinker with my iPad any way I can.

Overall, i would like to agree to disagree. In the end, 2 different opinions and lifestyles make us have a better company.

Keep up the great work and hope you have a great day. Together, all of us no matter if we do or don't care about iOS updates can make Apple a better place

 

[C DM]

I don't install updates unless a) it will fix something that is wrong with the current version or b) provides functionality that I need but am not able to use with the current version. And then I research the update for a couple of months prior to updating. Please don't blame Apple for your lack of diligence.

And for someone that had both 1 and 2 apply when it came to iOS 8 but then resulted in other issues after they updated...what then? By your definition they updated as they should have and yet got something that is worse in other ways.

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Yep same. Being Informed of a good and a bad update will save you time and money! IF you pull the trigger too soon, you can and Probally will mess up your apple device. .

It's not too late to start now! Do your reaserch!

And how does that speak to Apple not signing the last major version update so that people could go back to it if they wanted to for some reason?