The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.

[echofree]

the handful of extra features in iOS 8 do NOT explain why EVERYTHING becomes slower in iOS 8 vs. iOS 7. It makes no sense

 

[Lankyman]

Sounds like you should buy an android. You may never get any update at all.

That's what I did. Now use Android phones and I just love them. iOS 8 has crippled my iPad 2 at least where Safari is concerned as it crashes all the time. The iPad is as clean as the day I purchased it, nothing loaded clogging up memory etc as that is how I use it - go figure? Worked lovely with iOS7

Now looking at a Sammy Tab as a possible replacement as I'm sick of Apple's arrogance/we know best attitude. Sure there are lot's of Apple fans on here who will say there iPad is still silky smooth or put up with whatever Apple throw at them.

However, knowing that someone else's iPad is running silky smooth does not help me when I'm constantly getting 'this page had to be reloaded' messages.

 

[Italianblend]

My phone is my livelihood and I don't hesitate in upgrading. I don't know who really hates apple other than a small core group of enthusiasts on this forum and third parties who are jealous apples success. In the real world, when a corporation is "hated" it's products and services are not used.

Bottom line, I'm really never worried and always upgrade every release.

Do you upgrade your iphone every year or at least every 2 years?

 

[I7guy]

Do you upgrade your iphone every year or at least every 2 years?

No I don't, my last phone I had for four years.

 

[Black Magic]

That's what I did. Now use Android phones and I just love them. iOS 8 has crippled my iPad 2 at least where Safari is concerned as it crashes all the time. The iPad is as clean as the day I purchased it, nothing loaded clogging up memory etc as that is how I use it - go figure? Worked lovely with iOS7

Now looking at a Sammy Tab as a possible replacement as I'm sick of Apple's arrogance/we know best attitude. Sure there are lot's of Apple fans on here who will say there iPad is still silky smooth or put up with whatever Apple throw at them.

However, knowing that someone else's iPad is running silky smooth does not help me when I'm constantly getting 'this page had to be reloaded' messages.

Instead of whining on the internet about the arrogance of Apple regarding your Safari woes, if you troubleshot it to death, maybe consider taking it to the Apple store? Maybe you have a defective memory module and they will replace it for free? Or you can dump money on second rate "wish they were Apple" products and you will bitch about a whole new set of problems. The choice is yours.

 

[AndyK]

Accepts EULA, [probably didn't read it], complains openly against something they accepted in the EULA at the start.

Yep, that's the internet.

 

[C DM]

Accepts EULA, [probably didn't read it], complains openly against something they accepted in the EULA at the start.

Yep, that's the internet.

Accepts that just because something is in the EULA is somehow truly legal just because it's there, or is even good or right whether or not one accepts it to use the device they have. The Internet indeed.

 

[Italianblend]

No I don't, my last phone I had for four years.

I'd like to understand your perspective. What phone are you currently using?

When you had your phone for 4 years, what model was it?

 

[I7guy]

I'd like to understand your perspective. What phone are you currently using?

When you had your phone for 4 years, what model was it?

Using a 5s, came from a blackberry storm; which I had for almost four years.

 

[Italianblend]

Using a 5s, came from a blackberry storm; which I had for almost four years.

Okay, I can understand your perspective. A 5S isn't too far back. The 5S is what I have. So far it's been able to handle the ios8 updates pretty well.

I would be very very surprised if our 5S doesn't see a significant slow down with ios 9. I will be willing to admit I am wrong of course. But the way apple has been progressing, it seems like any hardware over 2 years can't handle the new ios as well. I can't imagine running a 4S on the current system.

So in this case, blackberry seemed to have handled the upgrade system much better than the current ios system.

 

[I7guy]

Okay, I can understand your perspective. A 5S isn't too far back. The 5S is what I have. So far it's been able to handle the ios8 updates pretty well.

I would be very very surprised if our 5S doesn't see a significant slow down with ios 9. I will be willing to admit I am wrong of course. But the way apple has been progressing, it seems like any hardware over 2 years can't handle the new ios as well. I can't imagine running a 4S on the current system.

So in this case, blackberry seemed to have handled the upgrade system much better than the current ios system.

Storm to 5s is like a go-cart vs a Bugatti.

 

[zoneee]

Okay, I can understand your perspective. A 5S isn't too far back. The 5S is what I have. So far it's been able to handle the ios8 updates pretty well.

I would be very very surprised if our 5S doesn't see a significant slow down with ios 9. I will be willing to admit I am wrong of course. But the way apple has been progressing, it seems like any hardware over 2 years can't handle the new ios as well. I can't imagine running a 4S on the current system.

So in this case, blackberry seemed to have handled the upgrade system much better than the current ios system.

I own an iphone 5 and i will never upgrade it to iOS 9, i do not trust apple with updates and I'm 99% sure it will become slower and virtually force me to upgrade to have at least same performance as now.

 

[ScottishDuck]

The OP is a whiner, sure, but something should be pointed out.

People here seem to have weird ideas about EULAs. Basically any EULA taken to court has been found not legal and further to that, because of how they are presented to the user (easy to skip and frankly intended to be skipped) this is basically always viewed as not being proper consent.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I own an iphone 5 and i will never upgrade it to iOS 9, i do not trust apple with updates and I'm 99% sure it will become slower and virtually force me to upgrade to have at least same performance as now.

True. That has happened with my 4S and my iPad Air. Apple stripped facetime for the 4S and, with the iPad Air, ironically, a problem developed 2 weeks after iOS 8 . On the bright side though, I have not fell for Apple's tricks

 

[I7guy]

The OP is a whiner, sure, but something should be pointed out.

People here seem to have weird ideas about EULAs. Basically any EULA taken to court has been found not legal and further to that, because of how they are presented to the user (easy to skip and frankly intended to be skipped) this is basically always viewed as not being proper consent.

Some backup to this assertion would be interesting.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I own an iphone 5 and i will never upgrade it to iOS 9, i do not trust apple with updates and I'm 99% sure it will become slower and virtually force me to upgrade to have at least same performance as now.

wow same. I would even not update a iPhone 5S. I feel that every update slows your device down, makes it less powerful, and more of a pain.

No I don't, my last phone I had for four years.

Sweet waiting 4 years for a new phone goes against apple's main scheme of phone upgrades (this is enhanced with their software update policy.) Apple wants its members to buy a new iPhone every 2-3 years and, releases major iOS software updates every year to slow down each phone and, cause problems to coax the user into buying a new one.

I love my 4S the way it is and, will continue to use it till it dies (or breaks and is unrepairable). What's the point of getting a new phone that still functions properly and, works for a newer phone that is less reliable and, less durable that its predecessor?

Thus, I swear that Apple does not want you to know this trick and, continues to coax you into upgrading your apple device and your software. But treating your iPhone with care and, repairing the little things, they are built to last! . With my 4S, I plan on making it last 5 more strong years . All it needs now is a new battery and, it will be free to go strong

 

[Lankyman]

Instead of whining on the internet about the arrogance of Apple regarding your Safari woes, if you troubleshot it to death, maybe consider taking it to the Apple store? Maybe you have a defective memory module and they will replace it for free? Or you can dump money on second rate "wish they were Apple" products and you will bitch about a whole new set of problems. The choice is yours.

Don't need to do any of your suggestions - I have fixed it myself. As for second rate Apple products - hmm! Just a quick look through MacRumours will show you just how many broken Apple products there really are. For products touted as being of superior build quality I find the number of people posting about dying screens, dying HDDs etc.etc. quite depressing.

The first question I ask an Apple assistant when I'm asked do I want Apple Care is - I thought your products were the best in every way, why should I buy Apple Care. If I need to buy Apple Care perhaps I shouldn't be buying the product in the first place.

I'm on my second Android phone, I retired the first one due to old age - never missed a beat or broke down.

FYI I've never had a so called inferior Windows machine break on me and I have kept each one a minimum of eight years - go figure fanboy.

 

[Tubamajuba]

wow same. I would even not update a iPhone 5S. I feel that every update slows your device down, makes it less powerful, and more of a pain.




Sweet waiting 4 years for a new phone goes against apple's main scheme of phone upgrades (this is enhanced with their software update policy.) Apple wants its members to buy a new iPhone every 2-3 years and, releases major iOS software updates every year to slow down each phone and, cause problems to coax the user into buying a new one.

I love my 4S the way it is and, will continue to use it till it dies (or breaks and is unrepairable). What's the point of getting a new phone that still functions properly and, works for a newer phone that is less reliable and, less durable that its predecessor?

Thus, I swear that Apple does not want you to know this trick and, continues to coax you into upgrading your apple device and your software. But treating your iPhone with care and, repairing the little things, they are built to last! . With my 4S, I plan on making it last 5 more strong years . All it needs now is a new battery and, it will be free to go strong

Do you and all the other people in this thread with the same viewpoint really think that slowing down people's devices is a business strategy that one of the most successful companies in the world would use? Do you really think a company that plans their roadmap years in advance would be so shortsighted as to make people not want to buy their products again?

This is what it comes down to- some people think that Apple thinks it's a good idea to slow devices down. There has been absolutely no proof of that, and yet people speak as if it's fact.

If I were you, I would never buy an Apple product again. That is, if you really believe they try to intentionally slow down older devices with iOS updates.

 

[Lankyman]

Do you and all the other people in this thread with the same viewpoint really think that slowing down people's devices is a business strategy that one of the most successful companies in the world would use? Do you really think a company that plans their roadmap years in advance would be so shortsighted as to make people not want to buy their products again?

This is what it comes down to- some people think that Apple thinks it's a good idea to slow devices down. There has been absolutely no proof of that, and yet people speak as if it's fact.

If I were you, I would never buy an Apple product again. That is, if you really believe they try to intentionally slow down older devices with iOS updates.

Can I ask what colour the sky is in your world? I expect you believe there's no competition between businesses and they are all best friends too.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Can I ask what colour the sky is in your world? I expect you believe there's no competition between businesses and they are all best friends too.

Nonsense. Why would Apple intentionally piss off people to sell new devices? It doesn't make sense. Spending all that time and effort developing a new version of iOS for three to four years worth of iOS devices, only to intentionally crap all over themselves and destroy the software?

If they wanted to artificially force us to buy new devices, they simply wouldn't update older devices. Much less time and money, and it would accomplish the same thing. Just think how much they would have made when iOS 5 came out and introduced the notification center and iMessage!

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Do you and all the other people in this thread with the same viewpoint really think that slowing down people's devices is a business strategy that one of the most successful companies in the world would use? Do you really think a company that plans their roadmap years in advance would be so shortsighted as to make people not want to buy their products again?

This is what it comes down to- some people think that Apple thinks it's a good idea to slow devices down. There has been absolutely no proof of that, and yet people speak as if it's fact.

If I were you, I would never buy an Apple product again. That is, if you really believe they try to intentionally slow down older devices with iOS updates.

All I can say is, that there is proof. Look at this video.
iOS 6.1.4 vs iOS 7.
There was a iPhone 5S running iOS 7 and a iPhone 5 on iOS 6.1.4

The 5S has a A7 processor and the iPhone 5 has a A6 processor

http://youtu.be/HBZRfgVvnPI

Does this help?

 

[Tubamajuba]

All I can say is, that there is proof. Look at this video.
iOS 6.1.4 vs iOS 7.
There was a iPhone 5S running iOS 7 and a iPhone 5 on iOS 6.1.4

The 5S has a A7 processor and the iPhone 5 has a A6 processor

http://youtu.be/HBZRfgVvnPI

Does this help?

I'm not doubting that newer versions of iOS cause older iOS devices to run slower. That is a well documented fact. I'm merely addressing the cause of the performance hit. More complex software simply doesn't run as well on older hardware as the software that was available when the hardware was new.

At most, you can fault Apple for not putting more effort into optimizing their software for older hardware. But look at iOS 8... doesn't exactly run great on any hardware. It runs fine on the newest iOS devices, but I think iOS 9 will run even better on today's devices- that is, if the rumors about iOS 9 focusing on performance are true. I hope they are.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I'm not doubting that newer versions of iOS cause older iOS devices to run slower. That is a well documented fact. I'm merely addressing the cause of the performance hit. More complex software simply doesn't run as well on older hardware as the software that was available when the hardware was new.

At most, you can fault Apple for not putting more effort into optimizing their software for older hardware. But look at iOS 8... doesn't exactly run great on any hardware. It runs fine on the newest iOS devices, but I think iOS 9 will run even better on today's devices- that is, if the rumors about iOS 9 focusing on performance are true. I hope they are.

I really like the way you are wording your quote. You have a great point. We cannot change the past but, we can change the future. Look at iOS 7 for example. It took until 7.1 (April? May?) for Apple to make it run flawlessly. That update took tons of perfection and trial and error. iOS 8 will probably be the same schedule. Someday, it will run faster than its predecessor and have less glitches too. iOS 9 will be the new chapter for apple too hopefully in reliability and testing.


Thank you for the new perspective, I really aprriciate it

 

[Tubamajuba]

I really like the way you are wording your quote. You have a great point. We cannot change the past but, we can change the future. Look at iOS 7 for example. It took until 7.1 (April? May?) for Apple to make it run flawlessly. That update took tons of perfection and trial and error. iOS 8 will probably be the same schedule. Someday, it will run faster than its predecessor and have less glitches too. iOS 9 will be the new chapter for apple too hopefully in reliability and testing.


Thank you for the new perspective, I really aprriciate it

Thanks for the kind words!

Your post actually illustrates one of the downsides to yearly major releases- potentially major bugs can appear once per year as well. I think Apple can make it work if they slow down the addition of new features, but Microsoft's new approach to updating operating systems is worth following.

 

[Italianblend]

I'm not doubting that newer versions of iOS cause older iOS devices to run slower. That is a well documented fact. I'm merely addressing the cause of the performance hit. More complex software simply doesn't run as well on older hardware as the software that was available when the hardware was new.

Yes, we all understand that and agree. I don't think that excuses apple from the method in which they have people upgrade. Average user gets pop up that doesn't say anything whatsoever about it might slow down your device. They think "upgrade? cool."

5 minutes later, their device is much less efficient than if they would've ignored the upgrade request.

At most, you can fault Apple for not putting more effort into optimizing their software for older hardware.

Yes you can, or they should simply choose an optimal operating system for each device and allow users to free choose and switch between that and ios 8.

but I think iOS 9 will run even better on today's devices- that is, if the rumors about iOS 9 focusing on performance are true. I hope they are.

I think they are just focusing on the bugs in ios 8, not in worrying about how the iphone 4S functions on ios 9, but I hope that I'm wrong and you are correct.