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Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.

- Apple Inc.
 
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dmccloud

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Yes it's macrumours members, so? It's a good sample of statistics.

No message forum is a good sample of the userbase/fanbase as a whole, because the members are the ones who are more often than not the most fanatical about the products they use. If you read all of the threads here complaining about overheating/screen issues/weight/etc, you'd think that all of the new iPads were defective and/or broken in some fashion. But there were 3 million sold in the US alone the first weekend, not counting the sales in Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, etc.

If the defective/return rate for the new iPad was as high as these forums seem to indicate, then every major news organization from CNN to C|NET would be jumping Apple's case over this, and Tim Cook would be scrambling to make an apologetic statement to the public. But the worst they have been able to do is repeat Consumer Reports' claims that the iPad runs hot (which other entities have not been able to duplicate their results), or claim that there is a "speed trap" for LTE users based on the notion that people are downloading more stuff because (gasp) the connection's faster.

Honestly, if there was as widespread a screen issue as the OP claims, then CR or someone else would have already reported on it as Apple has become the preferred target of many in the tech reporting business. But other than a handful of people on these forums claiming a widespread issue, there's been no chatter about this in the media as a whole.
 

ZipZap

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Dec 14, 2007
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Give it a rest.

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Why are you bashing people for expecting perfection from Apple? You know who set this impossibly high standard? Apple did.

Apple has spent years (and millions in marketing) touting their amazing design and the incredible (almost impossible) quality of their products. We are supposed to look at their products as works of art - sleek, smooth, seamless, perhaps dropped here from another time by an advanced alien race. Their ads and other marketing collatoral include extreme close ups of every angle of the devices, all the better to make their customers salivate over their beauty.

It's absolutely fine that they've created this image - I love it. But then when you pick up one of these impossibly amazing devices and you see light leaking out of a gap in the casing, or an uneven hue on the screen, or dead pixels, you're right to be disappointed - Apple has not lived up to their own hype.

100% Correct. Thank you.

For the OCD claiming, nay sayers....If you got a good iPad be happy but dont come here and belittle others who did not.
 

Defender2010

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Jun 6, 2010
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I agree 100% with this stance. The excuse that demand is so high, and that as a result production is at such a breakneck pace which inevitably will yield "acceptable" defects is garbage. There is no excuse for these screen issues. Apple as a company promotes itself as one which values quality. I can take a magnifying glass to my Rolex datejust and not find ANY FLAWS. At the very least, I should be able to pick up my iPad and not see any defects with the naked eye.

Also, the fact that the term "OCD" is being thrown around like a beach ball in a derogatory manner is utterly inflammatory. Do these people realize that this is a medical condition? The term you folks are looking for is "detail-oriented."

What would the world be like if we didn't have detail-oriented people to make the world go 'round? Do you realize that to build anything that works you have to be detail-oriented? Do you think that this forum would function if it weren't for the engineers that are making sure to write error-free code? What about the car that you drive? Would you like it if the engineers in charge of the safety features didn't worry about "details"?

To those folks who insist on using the term OCD, please realize that anything that you use, anything that you enjoy, whether you are listening to your favorite album, swinging your golf club, or surfing the internet, all of these things were created by people that, by your definition, have "OCD." These are the engineers, the perfectionists, the over-achievers, that stress every last detail so that they may produce something of quality and as a result we enjoy quality products that make our lives better and more enjoyable. Please stop using the term OCD, and have a little respect for us that take care of the details.

Great post! I agree 100%. It's like a button missing of an expensive new shirt or a thread pulled on a £300 Gucci sweater. Premium products should be perfect in every way, so expect the best...bottom line is, if you are not happy, bring it back and exchange it. It's not OCD to expect a flawless product of any kind - they are advertised as having the best screen ever created, bleeds, pixels, non uniform whites/colours should not be accepted. Some people don't notice these things and live blissfully unaware, but for those of us who dont, that doesn't make us OCD. We should expect the best, just like Apple states. If you decide to live with an imperfection, Apple is having the last laugh by taking your hard earned cash in difficult economic times and leaving you underwhelmed. The positive thing is their customer service is so good, you can exchange it until perfection is obtained. For those arguing that people returning iPads over little things like this hike the price up for future products- get a reality check, that's ridiculous.
My motto- exchange exchange exchange until you find one thats perfect to you!
 

ton123

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1/3 of my screen has a greenish tint

Its more apparent in real, camera sort of balance it out.

I notice it right away the viewing angle and uniformity is worse than ipad 2.

Will be visiting genius bar soon.. hopefully replacement will be perfect like the OP and most of you

i spend 90% of my ipad for reading and the shifting of colors to me its quite distracting..

Call me OCD or whatever but i have been pampered with a perfectly uniform screen on my iPad 2 for almost a whole year.. i think i deserved to get the same standard on my iPad3.
 
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VidPro

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Mar 16, 2011
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In the audio world there are golden ears that hear different/better than others.
In visual word there are golden eyes that see different/ better than others.
Both groups share one trait. They are so full of themselves:D

I don't think so. I work in video and I have been a video and audio freak for a long time and I happen to see and hear lot of things most people are not trained to see or hear. That's just normal for people who do this for a living or a hobby. It's similar to what someone else said here about some people can't or don't care to see the difference between a DVD and a BR.
 

Dstopsie

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Man you people that keep returning your iPads really have no lives. 4, 5, 6 or even 7 times you look for something that isn’t there.

So for every device that gets released we have people like this. You guys make it seems like a widespread problem. Its not, the only problem is the one in your head. The Genius bar must hate people like you, maybe even more than the scalpers
Oh no, if I turn the brightness up tyo 100%, and turn off the light and restart the iPad to show only the startup screen then I can see Blacklight bleeding. How stupid do you people sound?
Newsflash, most LCD’s have blacklight bleeding. Check it out on your TV.

I have owned 3G, 3GS, Iphone 4, iPad, iPad2 and the new iPad, a Macbook Pro, Airport Express, Apple TV and Apple TV3, and never had the amount of time wasting as some of you do with your products.
Do you do the samething when buying any other product, or are you just this anal about Apple products?

Amen!! And very well said!! My hat is off to you!!
 

ZBoater

macrumors G3
Jul 2, 2007
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Give it a rest.

Oh? As opposed to sitting idly by why people with problems come claiming "Screengate", "Hotgate", "Tintgate", and conspiracies galore?

Please. I've been here since the original iPhone launch and its the same broken record every time, and every time it turns out to be just a small percentage (with the exception of "Antennagate", but that's another story... :D )

So how about YOU give it a rest? I'm sorry you had problems with your iPad. Take it back to Apple, and the will make it right or refund your money. End of story. :apple:
 

JesseW6889

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Dec 12, 2010
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Man you people that keep returning your iPads really have no lives. 4, 5, 6 or even 7 times you look for something that isn’t there.

So for every device that gets released we have people like this. You guys make it seems like a widespread problem. Its not, the only problem is the one in your head. The Genius bar must hate people like you, maybe even more than the scalpers
Oh no, if I turn the brightness up tyo 100%, and turn off the light and restart the iPad to show only the startup screen then I can see Blacklight bleeding. How stupid do you people sound?
Newsflash, most LCD’s have blacklight bleeding. Check it out on your TV.

I have owned 3G, 3GS, Iphone 4, iPad, iPad2 and the new iPad, a Macbook Pro, Airport Express, Apple TV and Apple TV3, and never had the amount of time wasting as some of you do with your products.
Do you do the samething when buying any other product, or are you just this anal about Apple products?

Makes me feel better about getting a refurb... Better chance there was NEVER anything wrong with it in the first place!
 

jonnyr78

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Feb 18, 2008
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sorry, LONG post! But, first time posting with my ipad ;)

I've watched this thread with some interest. It mirrors the thread on iPad 2 backlight bleed (similar on the iPad 3), iMac yellow blotches (my iMac had a bottom half of the screen that was slightly yellow tinted) MacbookPro screen uniformity (plenty of forums posts out there where people are not satisfied with their Pro's 'professional' screen - even through pro is Apple marketing spiel).

Also, my best-in-class (according to the experts) IPS Panasonic 3D tv has a bit of backlight bleed.

When you put all this together, there are two connections, a degree of manufacturing imperfection, and limits of the display tech.

I'm now convinced that in most cases most LCD & LED screens will have a degree of unevenness according to the current mainstream tech. Put the iPad, Macs and TV complaints together and the evidence does not point to poor manufacture in most cases, but the limits of current flat screen display lighting for the ENTIRE industry. In my experience Apple devices are above average in this regard, though the iMacs can be pretty poor. But, when my class leading TV, my iMacs, my MacBook Air, iPad '3' all have varying degrees of bleed and unevenness I don't think I'm unlucky, just that this is the tech we have right now.

For example I went through FIVE iMacs (!!) until I realised I was wasting my time. It was at this point that I found an NEC display forum that described how IPS screens ARE prone to a degree of colour blotchiness unless VERY carefully manufactured, hence the huge cost of NEC professional monitors. Actually doing some digging it seems IPS is best for colour consistency and viewing angles, BUT 'rubbish' TN screens do tend to have better grayscale (and therefore white) uniformity when viewed dead on. It also should be noted that IPS DOES NOT guarantee less backlight bleed, again unless great care is made in the design of the display bezel, case, and other elements.

The problem is there is no way Apple displays could be manufactured to necessary tolerances and be 'affordable' given Apples profit margins and manufacturing process. Really, given what they charge Apple is doing OK, I think, in general screen quality, no better than a Sony, but no worse.

SO, Just because Apple stuff is well marketed, nicely packaged, and uses fancy terms like 'retina display' does not make it professional quality. I mean, it's mass produced in Chinese sweatshops! You can't compare it to a Rolex that is a handmade watch, or high end NEC screens made in specialised factories. My first ever Mac, a g4 PowerBook, was manufactured flawlessly, but then it was produced in far less numbers.

This is not to say there are not VERY bad examples; I wouldn't accept some of the screens posted on here. But I do think swapping more than once looking for perfection is a waste of time. Very few are going to be awful (so if you find a bad one do swap) but very few will be perfect either given the limits of IPS tech.

Oh and jut to show that I am not dismissing your problems, this morning I swapped my new iPad at the Trafford Centre as it had a bloody bit of something under the glass in the middle of the bottom third of the screen. That bothers me much more as because crud seems to get stuck under a fair amount of iMac, MacbookPro and iPad screens (one on display had it as well) so it really is pot luck. But even with that annoying problem I'm not going to inspect this new iPad for problems, if I don't spot anything in everyday use then I'm happy.

Interestingly, this one DOES seem to have a slightly better viewing angle and white uniformity, but at the same time I'd not say the one I had before was awful (compared TN screens).


SO, the issue is getting one you are happy with as long as you have realistic expectations.


Of course, if you were to say "I've spent £400 so I should expect perfection", your right! You should be happy with your purchase, that's why you can get a refund. But, thinking you'll find perfection from Apple is a waste of time. I never had an iPad because I found the backlit bleed excessive (but understandable) yet on the new ones the resolution makes it worth living with for me. But knowing how they are made I expect some flaws.

In the end expecting perfection from Apple devices is impossible. The fault IS with Apple as all this is the result of their well established reality distortion field. By given the silly profits Apple makes on stuff if we want them to be perfect we'll have to pay more.

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P.s. comparing with iPad 2 screens is also pointless as these are obviously different screens manufactured in a different way (Apple wasn't able to leverage Sharp's new tech unfortunately).
 

VidPro

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Mar 16, 2011
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SO, the issue is getting one you are happy with as long as you have realistic expectations.

That's all I ask for and I would suspect most here are asking for when they buy one of these products. The choir that erupts that is angry about someoning asking for help what do they think is what get me. Anyway I can't wait to get my 32. I'll post a screen shot. :D
 

koigirl

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Jul 29, 2011
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Here's my screen that Apple's repair technicians just deemed "meets Apple specifications for performance, usability, and functionality."

Those are some pretty low standards. I will be returning mine as soon as I get it back. I guess I'll either hop back to an iPad 2 or just wait for next year's release. So disappointed.

That looks awful. I can't believe anyone at Apple or on this forum would be blind enough to tell you that looks okay and you should just accept it.
 

Sylon

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Feb 26, 2012
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I wonder if this is just a Samsung issue or a screen design issue. Remember, Samsung manufactures the screens right now, but Sharp will be making half of the screens here very soon. I wonder if there will be a noticeable quality difference once they start making them.
 

oli356

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Sep 6, 2010
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You mean to tell me that Macrumors members are a good sample of the general population?

Ummmm, no. And I won't event bother explaining why. It's a hopeless cause...
Why?
We can say if the screen isn't as it should be, mine is as it should be so I said yes in the poll. Surely fanboys aren't going to say its fine, if its not..Though I find the amount which aren't fine to be high; I can see MR members being picky though about things..
 

ArztMac

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Jul 22, 2011
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sorry, LONG post! But, first time posting with my ipad ;)

The very best post I've seen here in the last couple of weeks or so. Good, solid job. Everybody should read thisbefore running to the :apple: Genius Bar an upteenth time...
 

Dlanod

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The very best post I've seen here in the last couple of weeks or so. Good, solid job. Everybody should read thisbefore running to the :apple: Genius Bar an upteenth time...

Yeah I agree - as the OP I'd have been happy if I had thought that my screen was all I could expect. But I had seen much better ones so I knew they existed. The one I now have has a perfect screen but some other casing imperfections. I'm happy to live with these as the case is not what iPad's about. It's the screen. And for me, the screen needs to be the best it can be. An I believe the one I now have is.

Others will have different perspectives - and that's fine. :D
 

ominx

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Jun 23, 2010
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iPad vs Spyder Calibrated MBP

I was hoping you guys could take a look at my iPad and tell me if I should exchange it for another one. I took a picture using the amazing optics that is the iPhone4 camera of my new iPad and MacBook pro with both screens on a white background at 100% brightness in a pitch dark room. When comparing the iPad to the Spyder4 calibrated MacBook Pro, now they BOTH look so yellow and pink... even a little green. I wonder if the Spyder is wrong, because even though the iPad looks the basically the same as my perfectly calibrated monitor, from what I've seen on these threads, it's not perfect and I should definitely send it back.

So if you guys can help me out I would appreciate it. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Have fun and enjoy your iPad everyone!
 
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Dlanod

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I was hoping you guys could take a look at my iPad and tell me if I should exchange it for another one. I took a picture using the amazing optics that is the iPhone4 camera of my new iPad and MacBook pro with both screens on a white background at 100% brightness in a pitch dark room. When comparing the iPad to the Spyder4 calibrated MacBook Pro, now they BOTH look so yellow and pink... even a little green. I wonder if the Spyder is wrong, because even though the iPad looks the basically the same as my calibrated monitor, from what I've seen on these threads, I should definitely send it back.

So if you guys can help me out I would appreciate it.

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;) Have fun and enjoy your iPad everyone!

Looks fine to me - my iPad had a real variance of colour across the screen - your's is even. I'd be happy with that.
 

loon3y

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Oct 21, 2011
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ya'll are tripping me out, how do u know if u have bad screen. i wanna return it if mines bad.




i had an ipad2 i never even thought of black light bleeding or yellow tint.
 

Dlanod

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Original poster
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ya'll are tripping me out, how do u know if u have bad screen. i wanna return it if mines bad.




i had an ipad2 i never even thought of black light bleeding or yellow tint.

If it looks fine to you it probably is!
 

kidwithdimples

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Jun 17, 2007
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ya'll are tripping me out, how do u know if u have bad screen. i wanna return it if mines bad.

i had an ipad2 i never even thought of black light bleeding or yellow tint.
OMG! Don't let this thread turn you into one of them. I can bet your iPad is perfectly fine. :)

Enjoy the beautiful iPad.
 
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