I think this has more to do with the way the parts and components supply chain works for the gadgets vs the imac and desktop parts.
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There will NOT be a 2012 iMac release
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I think this has more to do with the way the parts and components supply chain works for the gadgets vs the imac and desktop parts.
Show me the money. Prove to me there will be a 2012 iMac refresh. If you can't do that, as much as it seems to upset you, you are just going to have to accept that an alternative point of view is equally valid as your own at the minimum and perhaps more so. Time will tell.
Sinking to insults does not make the point you seem to wish that you could. I think that is what makes you so angry that you lash out at me or anyone else who dares to suggest there may not be new iMacs between now and the end of December.
I'm not doing this to press your buttons personally or anyone else's for that matter as some have implied. I am doing it because people come here seeking buying advice and I think somebody should also be telling them about the very real possibility it could be next year before there is a new iMac. They should be aware of both sides of the coin in making their own personal decision. You may not agree with me but I feel that for many people it does not make sense to wait on rumors when they could be enjoying a new iMac today, a new iMac that is a very nice machine I might add.
If you cannot act with maturity as a gentleman when discussing something here but instead let your emotions rule you then perhaps it is you who needs to take a little break from the forums.
If your purpose is to point out that there is a possibility that the preponderance of evidence from many sources suggesting a release in Sept or Oct could all be incorrect, mission accomplished. However there's next to no evidence of a delay to 2013, while plenty points to the next couple months, so you could hardly give the two possibilities equal weight. If you believe the only evidence worth considering is Apple announcements, then I'm sorry, but you've come to the wrong place. Apple rumor sites thrive simply because the company does not announce anything until the moment it is for sale.
You're welcome to disagree with the tens of thousands of words published by various journalists and analysts found on the front page of this and other sites, but please do so by showing what you believe to be flaws in their reporting or logic. "Show me the proof" is an extremely unproductive way to participate on a rumors site. If your only argument is that they are not official announcements, then I'm afraid you have noting to contribute to any speculative threads.
You're welcome to disagree with the tens of thousands of words published by various journalists and analysts found on the front page of this and other sites, but please do so by showing what you believe to be flaws in their reporting or logic. "Show me the proof" is an extremely unproductive way to participate on a rumors site. If your only argument is that they are not official announcements, then I'm afraid you have noting to contribute to any speculative threads.
Sure, but I went looking at last year posts about the "iMac 2011" and there were many more founded signs of stuff coming ... today we have almost nothing or just some very inconsistent speculation : so the cases can be two ...
1) Tim is succeeding in doubling on secrecy (which is FALSE as we already know a lot about the next iDevices coming in September/October)
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2) there is nothing sufficiently consistent that can make us say Apple is already working on a 2012 iMac
I got one for both of you guys ...
This is stupid ... buying stuff from last year "at the prices applied by Apple" with a possible refresh due between TODAY and MID 2013 is stupid unless you DO really need a computer because the one you're using is dead !
I agree with that but ... let's be honest : "preponderance of evidence from many sources", "tens of thousands of words published" ... it seems to me you're a bit overestimating. Nobody is craving for a new iMac more than me (believe me if you can), but nonetheless I cannot say there's gonna be one for sure in a short time with the "very poor speculations" we actually have ...
This is stupid ... buying stuff from last year "at the prices applied by Apple" with a possible refresh due between TODAY and MID 2013 is stupid unless you DO really need a computer because the one you're using is dead !
I agree with that but ... let's be honest : "preponderance of evidence from many sources", "tens of thousands of words published" ... it seems to me you're a bit overestimating. Nobody is craving for a new iMac more than me (believe me if you can), but nonetheless I cannot say there's gonna be one for sure in a short time with the "very poor speculations" we actually have ...
I didn't count but I believes tens of thousands to be accurate. It's not hard to achieve.
Preponderance may be a slight exaggeration for effect - although we are certainly seeing a lot more than we usually see for an iMac release.
I could write tens of thousands of words about the iMac releasing in 2012 too if I cared to. It would be easy. Unfortunately, it would not mean there is actually going to be one.
When I say "show me the money" I mean show me a valid, solid reason to believe a new iMac is going to ship on some particular date or even any time before the close of 2012.
I'm looking for quality of information, not quantity.
Kind of my stance also. I'm not sure that the CPU bump is big enough to worry that much about, especially at the higher end. I'm not convinced that the prices for the ssd and hard drive models will remain as distinct as they currently are either. I'm not looking for a major update, just making the making the current technology more mainstream, as with the MBP / MBPr.
I have to disagree with you there. It isn't only stuff from last year as people so often like to say. It is still the newest stuff available from Apple. There is no newer stuff to choose from at this time and there is no announcement or guarantee of when there will be anything newer is the reality.
Of course the assumption is that someone in the market for a new computer does need one or at the minimum wants one. There's a number of issues to consider here. As you note, if their computer is dead then obviously they need a new one now. But what about an old one that is slow or failing in some way? I guess you could call that case a "want." Worse yet, what about someone using an old Windows PC? There again it is a "want" I guess. These cases come down to quality of life if you think about it. Do they want a really nice computing experience today or do they want to wait until someday/maybe which is the best estimate anyone here could give since there is no definitive announcement, only speculation and rumor. In these cases I think it is very worthwhile to give weight to quality of life now since none of us are guaranteed any tomorrows. Why wait for a marginal performance increase for potentially many months when you can be enjoying a nice new iMac right now? That is the question consumers should at least consider along with the alternative of waiting which I would agree also makes just as much sense in other cases.
It does not need to be 100% either choice or the person is stupid for making it, not at all.
Consider this example:
Back in May a user comes here who is using an old dual core Windows PC that is noisy as hell, bulky and ugly in their office. The screen on their system is an old 1280 x 1024 and the display quality is poor and the lighting dim. This person has wanted to make the move to Macintosh and OS X for quite a while and this seems like a great time to them. So they come here to find out more about the systems, etc. seeking buying advice. They have heard there may be new models coming out soon.
What advice do you suppose they got months ago? Well, I can tell you. Wait, because new ones are coming in June most likely and if not certainly by the time Mountain Lion comes out. They are also told it would be stupid to buy an iMac now and that it will lead to regret.
So, this person could either continue using a crappy system then for some undetermined amount of time or they could take the plunge knowing rumors are just that: rumors, since they want a MUCH better system NOW. They know whenever a refresh comes the latest greatest will likely be a little faster but is that really worth waiting for and will it really have a major impact in day to day work and play becomes the question.
Well, my answer to the question was the hell with rumors and speculation. I want a beautiful new 27" iMac now. I don't want to wait until who knows when and I know very well that for all their passion the people on a rumors site don't really know when or if any new ones are even coming out this year. I knew I didn't want to use that crappy old PC for potentially that long but make no mistake - this was a want, not a need. The old computer still works.
On the quality of life and user experience side I've already won by purchasing back in May. I have been using my iMac constantly on a daily basis since that time. I am at this system for easily 50 plus hours each week. I am very, very glad I have not had to use that old Windows PC for all this time now. No refresh ever came in June. No refresh came with ML either despite all the hope and claims here and supposed mountains of journalism supporting imminent refreshes. No new iMac ever materialized so far and there is no guarantee there will be one this year.
That is the fact: I am sorry but there is no guarantee there will be a new iMac this year. Yes, there might be one but there also might not be one.
Therefore, it is reasonable on a case by case basis that exceeds the dire need of a dead system, to consider whether to buy now. Back when I had to make a buy now or wait choice I was told the very same things people still are saying today even though they've been wrong multiple times at this point.
It wasn't stupid at all to buy a new iMac back in May for me. By the same token, it may not be stupid at all for many users to choose to buy one now depending on their situation and needs. That is all I am saying. Not that everyone should but also not that nobody should. There is a lot to consider on an individual basis and it is not all so black and white as blanket statements that it is "stupid to buy now."
In the case I just cited for example, by charting my own course and making my own choice I have enjoyed over 700 hours of deluxe computing with OS X and gorgeous 27" display instead of the lousy old system I noted above. I didn't "have" to replace that system then. I wanted to and I am sure glad I did. No upcoming refresh would make me regret this choice. My iMac still is what it is - an awesome personal computer that I love to use every day.
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Well, if you need those things you need them and I don't blame you for wanting reasonable pricing on them either. I wish you the best in getting a decent deal on the technology you require, when you require it.
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Apart from the first post, where dirtyharry50 seems to mix up speculation based on rumour and pure, well, speculation, he has made some excellent points in this thread. As others of us have said f you need an iMac now, buy one. If you want one now, then buy one. Otherwise, wait until your desire matches what's available.
There seems some confusion over need and desire. I don't need a new iMac - but I'd like one. The cost is not a major driver. If my '08 24" iMac goes bang tonight I'll get a replacement on its way tonight. I think that I'd like an SSD drive in an iMac. Will my life be worse off without it? Nope - but I'd like an SSD and I suspect that they will be more readily available soonish.
I don't need an iPhone 5, but I'll have one also. Apple does not rely on tech going bang, it relies on desire to get the latest and greatest.
I don't need an iPhone 5, but I'll have one also. Apple does not rely on tech going bang, it relies on desire to get the latest and greatest.
Dirtyharry50 ... I totally agree on the fact that the choice of buying or wait is very subjective and depends on the person who has to make it, good point ! The case you exposed is a bit limit (was it you maybe ?), but fully understandable ... I don't think that most of the people in this forum belong to that case or even similar ones, but in a situation like the one you've exposed I'd behave the same way. Now to the real world : my laptop pc works perfectly ... I could be wrong, but I think that the majority of people who wants an iMac could keep on waiting : it's not like needing a Mac Pro for working on stuff requiring a very performing machine (you wrote that the bump from an iMac 2011 to a new one would not be that much) ... so yes, it belongs to every single person's choice and need : personally I would feel stupid if I had to give Apple my money with the "risk" (which is growing every day, 400+ ...) of a new iMac. It's a lot of money and I wouldn't be able to change my machine for a lot of time after the purchase ... it is not right to generalise my case or your case : what I'd really like to know is ... at this point of the "wait", there's more people like me or like you ?
Are they ever going to update the iMac casing? It's looked the same for years.
I got an iMac in 2007 and will be looking to get a new one soon. It's strange that if I bought a new one today it would look exactly the same when you think that image is very important to Apple.
So I'll keep hanging on to see if anything new does come out.
I got an iMac in 2007 and will be looking to get a new one soon. It's strange that if I bought a new one today it would look exactly the same when you think that image is very important to Apple.
So I'll keep hanging on to see if anything new does come out.
Errhm. What am I missing then if I can see a difference between the following these 2 shots? The 2007 one is white and current models are aluminium.
There's even differences between the aluminium models as they have been released.
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My mid 2007 is aluminium. After that, the differences between the various models appearance wise (at least from the front) are pretty superficial.
I like both these Imacs, to bad i never owned one till 2010 it makes me think why the hell i stayed using windows i hope apple continues designs fantastic and flawless machines like the last gen imacs.
Okay, okay, they have indeed kept a commonality to the appearance, I'll agree to that. 
Why not? It makes it instantly recognisable as an iMac. That's clever design in process. Just have very slight and subtle design changes along the way, such as the base stand getting thinner, or the aluminium strip disappearing from the sides and top of the screen face.
Why not? It makes it instantly recognisable as an iMac. That's clever design in process. Just have very slight and subtle design changes along the way, such as the base stand getting thinner, or the aluminium strip disappearing from the sides and top of the screen face.
its funny how state of the art design 5-6 years ago can look so outdated today. The keyboard of the white imac era looks co clunky compared with todays apple keyboard. The imac as well, its a huge difference. I can all ready see that my early 2009 imac design is outdated compared with todays imacs (late 2009 design). I think apple will improve todays design as well on the coming imacs. Probably less bezel coverage, thickness and more screen.....more minimalistic.
its even rumors of a new keyboard with that imac, shall be interesting to see, I personally feel todays apple keyboard as as minimalistic and nice looking it can get so very curious what they are able to do.
its even rumors of a new keyboard with that imac, shall be interesting to see, I personally feel todays apple keyboard as as minimalistic and nice looking it can get so very curious what they are able to do.
Okay, okay, they have indeed kept a commonality to the appearance, I'll agree to that.
Why not? It makes it instantly recognisable as an iMac. That's clever design in process. Just have very slight and subtle design changes along the way, such as the base stand getting thinner, or the aluminium strip disappearing from the sides and top of the screen face.
I wouldn't mind seeing the aluminum strip at the bottom be reduced or totally eliminated.
The keyboard should be aluminium but with black keys. White keys don't match the iMac at all. . .it's kind of strange.
good for you.
you wanna know how i see your cool new imac?
underpowered gpu (by a huge margin, 100%), overly reflective, overly expensive (slow and costly ssds, expensive ram) and smudges prone. value: around 1500 bucks for the top of the line (in may).
to each his own, no need to make a thread about it.
so, if i have all the time in the world and buy a new imac whenever it comes out with all those issues resolved (gtx 680m, improved display construction, 8gb ram standard, optional 512gb ssd 500mb's) for the same price, who wins?
there are always both sides of the coin
ps. i dont see the need for a totally misleading thread title. would you care to enlighten me?
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