There will NOT be a 2012 iMac release

[forty2j]

For as many times as I say it, I get attacked by those who feel the rumors that tell them what they want to hear are more credible than the fact that there is no news from Apple.

And this is your most baffling point. I don't understand why you always go back to it. There is never any news from Apple. If you were in the market for a phone, would you buy an iPhone today?

Here's what we currently have:
2012 iMacs: Credible analyst reports from people that have been accurate in the past, Apple PR correction excluding iMac from the 2013 list, and no news.
2013 iMacs: Baseless speculation and no news.

Why should baseless speculation and credible analyst reports be given equal weight? Certainly it's possible that either outcome could be correct, but the fact that there are two possibilities does not automatically imply that they have an equal probability. Most of us here are taking what you might call a calculated risk on the probability of the credible reports being correct being much higher than the probability of the baseless speculation being correct.

 

[rgdigital]

Partial tangent...

in relation to the iMac refresh (whenever it comes), how much do they usually discount current iMacs? They do it with every refresh, I just haven't paid attention lately (not needing one).

I plan on buying a 27" all loaded up to replace my 2008 model, but have been waiting for the refresh to hopefully get a discount.

 

[mojothemonkey]

And this is your most baffling point. I don't understand why you always go back to it. There is never any news from Apple. If you were in the market for a phone, would you buy an iPhone today?

Here's what we currently have:
2012 iMacs: Credible analyst reports from people that have been accurate in the past, Apple PR correction excluding iMac from the 2013 list, and no news.
2013 iMacs: Baseless speculation and no news.

Why should baseless speculation and credible analyst reports be given equal weight? Certainly it's possible that either outcome could be correct, but the fact that there are two possibilities does not automatically imply that they have an equal probability. Most of us here are taking what you might call a calculated risk on the probability of the credible reports being correct being much higher than the probability of the baseless speculation being correct.

Well put. It's a shame trolls don't understand logic.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

You make a statement like it's fact and then later try to defend yourself by saying it's a legitimate rumor? And to top it off you use a word like "ain't" and have a name like "DirtyHarry" which leads me to believe that you're from some hillbilly area where a 2008 iMac is considered new. Man I hate you.

Go ahead. Make my day.

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There are going to be a lot of sad faces in this thread when Jan rolls around. But DirtyHarry will be laughing his way to the internet pwn bank

Stranger things have happened. ;-)

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Why all the hatred for Dirtyharry?

I do not recall any anger expressed towards those who have claimed that the imac was coming on various dates in the past when it didn't. Those were obviously false predictions.

If people are so sure that Dirtyharry is wrong why bother getting engaged here. Surely alternative points of view can be expressed without hatred being stirred up.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

 

[MythicFrost]

Apple has always released a new iMac every year, I see no reason why they wouldn't continue doing that. It has been a fair bit longer than usual, but that doesn't indicate the refresh isn't coming at all this year.

There's plenty of reasons why it mightn't have been released yet. Apple may want to release an iMac with Retina display alongside the standard iMacs as they did with the MacBook Pro line, or they may simply be having yield problems, or they may be waiting to release it alongside the 13 inch rMBP.

 

[AlexJaye]

Apple won't get my $ until they update their iMac.

Simple as that!

 

[iMcLovin]

Apple has always released a new iMac every year, I see no reason why they wouldn't continue doing that. It has been a fair bit longer than usual, but that doesn't indicate the refresh isn't coming at all this year.

There's plenty of reasons why it mightn't have been released yet. Apple may want to release an iMac with Retina display alongside the standard iMacs as they did with the MacBook Pro line, or they may simply be having yield problems, or they may be waiting to release it alongside the 13 inch rMBP.

If Apples next iMac is planned to have retina, we won't see it this year.
If you look at the analysts, the different rumors floating around and the fact that its been ages since we saw a new iMac, chances are high that we will see it this year....then without a retina screen most likely.

But in DirtyHarrys defense. If you want a good reason why they may not come out this year, it is the fact that Apple have so much new products that will probably appear in september/october that there might not be room for a new iMac in their product lineup. But, then I just wish Apple would not have come out and stated that the Mac Pro 2013 statement didn't include the iMac. I would have bought the current then, but it's too late for that now.

 

[MythicFrost]

If Apples next iMac is planned to have retina, we won't see it this year.
If you look at the analysts, the different rumors floating around and the fact that its been ages since we saw a new iMac, chances are high that we will see it this year....then without a retina screen most likely.

Perhaps. It would be difficult to make a 5120x2880 display.

But in DirtyHarrys defense. If you want a good reason why they may not come out this year, it is the fact that Apple have so much new products that will probably appear in september/october that there might not be room for a new iMac in their product lineup. But, then I just wish Apple would not have come out and stated that the Mac Pro 2013 statement didn't include the iMac. I would have bought the current then, but it's too late for that now.

If they have it ready and are just not releasing it yet then they'll be losing potential money because many people will be holding out for the new model.

 

[CoreyLahey]

You make a statement like it's fact and then later try to defend yourself by saying it's a legitimate rumor? And to top it off you use a word like "ain't" and have a name like "DirtyHarry" which leads me to believe that you're from some hillbilly area where a 2008 iMac is considered new. Man I hate you.

San Francisco, Dirty Harry takes place in San Francisco. Which area is arschb from?

 

[tech4all]

Is that your reaction also to the rumors you like to hear? A rumor is just a rumor in either case.

Your post obviously was not meant to be taken as a rumor. Unless your job is at 1 Infinite Loop you're just like the rest of us. So stop posting things as facts when their simply your opinions.

Apple won't get my $ until they update their iMac.

Simple as that!

So they'll end up getting your money either way

Apple gets richer. Simple as that.

 

[Lancer]

Apple won't get my $ until they update their iMac.

Simple as that!

+1

Or maybe the Mini but I really want the AIO convenience of the iMac

 

[AlexJaye]

Your post obviously was not meant to be taken as a rumor. Unless your job is at 1 Infinite Loop you're just like the rest of us. So stop posting things as facts when their simply your opinions.




So they'll end up getting your money either way

Apple gets richer. Simple as that.

Feel smart?

They wait too long and I'll definitely consider something else.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

San Francisco, Dirty Harry takes place in San Francisco. Which area is arschb from?

A good point and an excellent question. I will refrain from making any guesses.

 

[fastlanephil]

in relation to the iMac refresh (whenever it comes), how much do they usually discount current iMacs? They do it with every refresh, I just haven't paid attention lately (not needing one).

I plan on buying a 27" all loaded up to replace my 2008 model, but have been waiting for the refresh to hopefully get a discount.

You won't be able to buy an "all loaded up" 2011 iMac if and when the new models are released. There will only be standard configured 2011 iMac models selling at about the price of the Apple refurbished 2011 iMacs that are now available at the Apple store.

 

[NunoBerny]

If Apples next iMac is planned to have retina, we won't see it this year.

If the NEXT iMac has Retina, I WON´T get it.
I've been waiting for the new version for a few months, but the current price is already stretching my wallet. A Retina version would surely be out of reach.
And, even if I had the money, what would the better screen give me? Not much, for my hobbyist usage.

It makes more sense to release now a refresh (USB3, better CPU,more memory, bigger HD, more RAM) and leave the Retina for a more professional market (ie not "normal" home usage). The improvements mentioned don't require much internal tinkering, so should be relatively easy to implement.

If the refresh happens and it's somewhere along the lines I mentioned above, I'll buy one the next day.

 

[12dylan34]

If the NEXT iMac has Retina, I WON´T get it.
I've been waiting for the new version for a few months, but the current price is already stretching my wallet. A Retina version would surely be out of reach.
And, even if I had the money, what would the better screen give me? Not much, for my hobbyist usage.

It makes more sense to release now a refresh (USB3, better CPU,more memory, bigger HD, more RAM) and leave the Retina for a more professional market (ie not "normal" home usage). The improvements mentioned don't require much internal tinkering, so should be relatively easy to implement.

If the refresh happens and it's somewhere along the lines I mentioned above, I'll buy one the next day.

I see retina as a much more consumer feature than a professional one. It introduces confusion and more work when making graphics since the one pixel on screen doesn't equal one pixel in the graphic. I'll buy retina if I have to, but hopefully it's in line with the rMBP, the extra cost coming from the mandatory SSD.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I just got a 27" 3.1ghz..was going to wait but I couldn't pass up the deal I got..nib for 975$

 

[Lancer]

If the NEXT iMac has Retina, I WON´T get it.
I've been waiting for the new version for a few months, but the current price is already stretching my wallet. A Retina version would surely be out of reach.

I agree and just like the MBPr if/when we get retina it will likely be either a separate model or BTO option.

And, even if I had the money, what would the better screen give me? Not much, for my hobbyist usage.

+1

It makes more sense to release now a refresh (USB3, better CPU,more memory, bigger HD, more RAM) and leave the Retina for a more professional market (ie not "normal" home usage). The improvements mentioned don't require much internal tinkering, so should be relatively easy to implement.

If the rumors are true this is what will happen but along with a new LCD maybe Matte or 'glare reduction' but not Retina.

If the refresh happens and it's somewhere along the lines I mentioned above, I'll buy one the next day.

Me too, I have enough $$$ now just waiting on Apple.

 

[Moonjumper]

Perhaps. It would be difficult to make a 5120x2880 display.

Making the display is possible. The recent IFA Berlin show had lots of high definition screens on show. The Panasonic 20" 4K screen is a higher density than a 27" 5120x2880. Sharp were apparently very impressive with their IGZO showing, including a 6.1" 2560x1600 display (498 ppi!) and a 31.5" 4K screen, so they have shown very high densities and large screens at retina level. And there are plenty of rumours of IGZO screens in Apple products.

The question is can a 5120x2880 screen be made at a price suitable for the iMac. One of the points about IGZO is that it is easier to make very high resolution screens, so it is not out of the question.

Sharp were showing the IGZO screens with Moth Eye anti-reflective technology, which would be amazing if it was on the iMac, retina or not.

 

[MythicFrost]

Making the display is possible. The recent IFA Berlin show had lots of high definition screens on show. The Panasonic 20" 4K screen is a higher density than a 27" 5120x2880. Sharp were apparently very impressive with their IGZO showing, including a 6.1" 2560x1600 display (498 ppi!) and a 31.5" 4K screen, so they have shown very high densities and large screens at retina level. And there are plenty of rumours of IGZO screens in Apple products.

The question is can a 5120x2880 screen be made at a price suitable for the iMac. One of the points about IGZO is that it is easier to make very high resolution screens, so it is not out of the question.

Sharp were showing the IGZO screens with Moth Eye anti-reflective technology, which would be amazing if it was on the iMac, retina or not.

Still there's quite a lot more pixels in 5120x2880. I think it's more about yields than anything else.

 

[d0nK]

I just got a 27" 3.1ghz..was going to wait but I couldn't pass up the deal I got..nib for 975$

Less than half price.
You buy it from a robber?

 

[deconstruct60]

Sharp were apparently very impressive with their IGZO showing, including a 6.1" 2560x1600 display (498 ppi!) and a 31.5" 4K screen, so they have shown very high densities and large screens at retina level. And there are plenty of rumours of IGZO screens in Apple products.

that would be impressive if they had shown that. They didn't according to this report (which has an attached press release).

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/sharps-igzo-low-power-high-res-display-technology-gets-its-tim/

( sharp's own press release from their website the story is based on
http://www.sharp.eu/cps/rde/xchg/eu/hs.xsl/-/html/fascinating-brilliance-due-to-new-displays.htm )

The 2560x1600 display is 10" not 6.1". There is no 6.1". (which makes tons of sense since the 7" tablets are hot right now). The only thing on target there is the 32" , 4K (UHDTV) screen.

I found a screwed up PCWorld story with the reassigned 10" resolution but that is clearly flawed reporting.


The other problem if watch the associated video is the Sharp representative says 2013 for the screens. So the likelihood for a 2012 iMac (or any other Mac this year ) is rather small.

Perhaps a 2013 Apple TV with the 32" UHDTV screen. Maybe a UHDTV iMac to match and get the "panels sold" numbers up.

The question is can a 5120x2880 screen be made at a price suitable for the iMac. One of the points about IGZO is that it is easier to make very high resolution screens, so it is not out of the question.

Clearly, for immediate future, the answer is no. IGZO doesn't make it easier to make the screen. It is easier, less power, to backlight it. But the panel density itself isn't radically different. Packing extremely high pixel density over a relatively very large screen is going to present problems in terms of affordability. The yield isn't going to be good (especially at A+, "zero defects" quality) which will make the price high.

 

[Lancer]

They are just now making so called 4k HDTVs with 3840x2160 screens, I doubt we'll see a similar spec iMac any time soon, JMO.

 

[richest]

This assertion is about as accurate as any other made here at this point.

There ain't gonna be a refresh in 2012.

Sorry guys but somebody has to say it. The more time that goes by, the more likely to be true this becomes.

Still so sure fella ?

 

[iMcLovin]

Still so sure fella ?

I was waiting for someone to say that.
It's not released yet though, but I guess listening to experienced analysts and rumor sites is more trustworthy than one mans random opinions.