There will NOT be a 2012 iMac release

[Dirtyharry50]

good for you.

you wanna know how i see your cool new imac?

underpowered gpu (by a huge margin, 100%), overly reflective, overly expensive (slow and costly ssds, expensive ram) and smudges prone. value: around 1500 bucks for the top of the line (in may).

to each his own, no need to make a thread about it.

so, if i have all the time in the world and buy a new imac whenever it comes out with all those issues resolved (gtx 680m, improved display construction, 8gb ram standard, optional 512gb ssd 500mb's) for the same price, who wins?

there are always both sides of the coin

ps. i dont see the need for a totally misleading thread title. would you care to enlighten me?

Based on the snarky remarks above I would say if you want to be enlightened then actually read the entire thread, not just my comments but everyone's and maybe you will learn that yes not only is there another side to the coin but it is as valid as the side you favor.

Beyond that, go find someone else to unload the chip on your shoulder onto. Life is too short. I am not interested in taking your bait. I have to think you have issues with reading comprehension or you didn't bother to read anyone else's views expressed here or most likely that you'd relish a good argument just to dump on someone. The latter is what the tone of your post implies.

 

[iSayuSay]

Yeah Dirtyharry50, keep posting. As long as you don't troll or post unreasonable things, there are no reasons for you not to be here. People may hate you to post things they don't favor. But there's always another side of the story. There's nothing wrong of saying water in a glass is half empty just because people want it to be half full.

Same case with the latest MacPro spec bump last June. I remember some members here mocked the speculation of "new" 2012 MacPro will only have slightly newer CPU and still keep the same 2 yrs old Radeon 5 GPUs. They just didn't believe it, laughed at it, called it names. They kept the scenario down to the ground.

Well, the rest is history .. most of them don't post back after the announcement, though

 

[forty2j]

When I say "show me the money" I mean show me a valid, solid reason to believe a new iMac is going to ship on some particular date or even any time before the close of 2012.

For me, the most valuable piece of information is here: https://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/2...ed-imacs-reportedly-due-in-september-october/. This information came from the same guy that nailed the rMBP (here: https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/0...ird-macbook-line-with-retina-display-at-wwdc/), and independent confirmation of the 13" rRMP is coming in (here: https://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/26/displays-for-13-inch-retina-macbook-pro-now-in-production/). The guy seems to either be getting planted leaks or is extremely good at his job; at this point I have to take anything he says as gospel. The information is as solid as it gets in this business.

Sure, he could be wrong in this and right in everything else. Plenty of other reporters, bloggers, and analysts have come out with the September/October or "Fall" timeline, many independently. The only reports that instead talk about 2013 are those that addressed Tim Cook's quote regarding Mac Pros prior to the correction. It seems likely that, barring a factory explosion, this guy's not wrong.

Well, my answer to the question was the hell with rumors and speculation. I want a beautiful new 27" iMac now. I don't want to wait until who knows when and I know very well that for all their passion the people on a rumors site don't really know when or if any new ones are even coming out this year. I knew I didn't want to use that crappy old PC for potentially that long but make no mistake - this was a want, not a need. The old computer still works.

I'm glad this worked out for you. But this decision made a lot more sense in May than it does in late August. In May, since Ivy Bridge had just been released, the value of the new iMac was still relatively close to its component cost (SSD excluded). And we were all just reading the tea leaves, making predictions based on what we expected Apple to do based on prior behavior with really nothing to back us up. The few reports that did exist were already talking about late summer / fall, and we scoffed at them.

Today, a LOT of relatively important people would have to be very wrong for there to not be a new iMac within the next 6-8 weeks. And with the available components, I can't recommend anyone get the current model unless their primary computer has already spontaneously combust and they can find what they want in a great sale and/or refurb. Otherwise they're just throwing money away.

 

[beosound3200]

Based on the snarky remarks above I would say if you want to be enlightened then actually read the entire thread, not just my comments but everyone's and maybe you will learn that yes not only is there another side to the coin but it is as valid as the side you favor.

Beyond that, go find someone else to unload the chip on your shoulder onto. Life is too short. I am not interested in taking your bait. I have to think you have issues with reading comprehension or you didn't bother to read anyone else's views expressed here or most likely that you'd relish a good argument just to dump on someone. The latter is what the tone of your post implies.

ive been reading this forum since december 2011 while waiting for 2012 imac (ive got my mind set on 2012 imac, its the 'upgrade year', and i got all the time in the world).
there wasnt one rumor that i didnt read, and the situation as it stands now is:

you without anything vs a couple of 'october' rumors (dating far back and also the new ones, there was only one 'july' rumor, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
so applying simple math the 'october side' weights much more as opposed to your 'side'.

so you come here parading theres no 2012 imac with absolutely nothing to back you up aside from 50:50 chances, chaos theory and murphys law paradigms.
allow me to enlighten you. there was never a time when we saw so many rumors regarding imac, and the majority of them are pointing towards redesigned display construction and october release. what about geekbench scores? what about macbook pro 13 event? doesnt arise suspicion?

you want me to prove to you that 2012 imac will come out? how stupid can that demand get? i cant even prove to you that i will wake up tomorrow.

so in the end, you are basing your claim on the simple fact that nobody can prove to you that there will be 2012 imac. this is not a court - innocent till proven guilty. there's something called 'natural flow of things', it was like 'that' in the past, it probably will be like 'that' in the future. every year saw the introduction of imac, so probably this one will too. this is enough to counter your claim even if you set aside all the rumors.

i know you're playing a simple mind ****, and thats ok, but this just got out of hand.

also, about coming to mac from 1995 pc, you dont think those costumers would want 100% more powerful gpu than 2011 imac, 75% less reflections and resolved smudges issues? maybe even 8gb ram and ssd as standard? you obviously wouldnt, but would they? they would unless you prove to me they wouldnt - natural flow of things - people choose the better thing between two things. but congratulations, you've proven that that doesnt always work, you chose the other one, after a year since it came out.

remember, im not 100% sure about 2012 imac, but im 100% sure that theres more chance that it will come out than that it wont, and unlike you, i have something to back me up. i dont know how old are you, i doesnt matter, but at some point in life you'll understand that you can never be sure and that you need to make decisions regardless. maybe then you'll learn how to make use of things you've got and you know to try to make the best decision possible. buying imac is one of the easier ones, nevertheless, you failed. probably you couldnt wait anymore.

so no, my side is not good as any, its better, because its not a shoot in the dark - its not 100%, maybe not even 70%, but its better than that theoretical 50%. if you dont understand that, keep waiting for 'that point in life'

enjoy your imac, and im not being sarcastic, to each his own i guess

 

[Swordylove]

What you've written isn't a rumour, it's nothing more than speculation, and baseless speculation at that.

The rumour(s) or other information that suggest the iMac will be released around September (or whenever) actually have credibility. On top of that, not releasing a new model makes no sense whatsoever -- it's their only consumer desktop line.

This.

The end.

 

[mzjin]

many many rumors point out to a sep-oct release. Apple went out their way to say that it was not the imac that was schedule for release in 2013 but the mac pro. You dont have anything to prove otherwise theres hasnt been ANY rumors saying 2013 so stop spreading this. Many many releases have been made on october were not on october yet neither the year has ended anything could happen you have nothing to jump to this conclusion. Youre simply stupid to think that way you do. IM SORRY BUT SOMEONE HAS TO SAY IT.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to not release at least an Ivy Bridge update.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

remember, im not 100% sure about 2012 imac, but im 100% sure that theres more chance that it will come out than that it won't...

Thanks. You made me laugh. Let me get this straight. You are not 100% sure but you are 100% sure of how much "chance" there is of some future event happening.

I'm sorry but that is pretty funny stuff.

I'm pretty sure reading rumors for a year doesn't make you a soothsayer. Nobody knows. All are guessing. It's okay. Just deal with it. Just be honest. Nobody knows. Why can't I say that obvious truth without causing people to become angry, hateful and insulting? Does it hurt that bad? I'm not trying to hurt anyone. I was simply offering another point of view to people in the market for a new machine now. They can of course read the other views too and make up their own mind.

 

[forty2j]

Thanks. You made me laugh. Let me get this straight. You are not 100% sure but you are 100% sure of how much "chance" there is of some future event happening.

I'm sorry but that is pretty funny stuff.

He kind of tripped over his own words, but I think he meant this: you talk about there being two possibilities (a "2012 iMac" and "not a 2012 iMac"), and because there are two choices you automatically give them equal weight. Hence your "flip a coin". The reality is that the "2012 iMac" position has lot more support than the "not a 2012 iMac" position. Rather than a coin, use a d20. If you roll a one - critical failure - there is no 2012 iMac. If you roll a 20 - critical success - then not only is a 2012 iMac coming out, but it comes in 27" and 32" Retina with no price increase. The rest of the die is the 2012 iMac with the conservative to normal expectations.

 

[beosound3200]

Thanks. You made me laugh. Let me get this straight. You are not 100% sure but you are 100% sure of how much "chance" there is of some future event happening.

I'm sorry but that is pretty funny stuff.

I'm pretty sure reading rumors for a year doesn't make you a soothsayer. Nobody knows. All are guessing. It's okay. Just deal with it. Just be honest. Nobody knows. Why can't I say that obvious truth without causing people to become angry, hateful and insulting? Does it hurt that bad? I'm not trying to hurt anyone. I was simply offering another point of view to people in the market for a new machine now. They can of course read the other views too and make up their own mind.

jesus you people, usa right?

im 100% sure that all those analysts and rumors bare more weight than your 50:50 theory, hence there is more chance for 2012 imac to come out. too much words? do i need to draw a picture? in color? i dont mind, just say it and ill draw it in paint. it really is simple logic.

that sentence you quoted passed the logic test. im sorry you didnt comprehend it, instead making fun of things you dont even understand. english is certainly not my main language, but i dont think that the language barrier exists in this case. on the other hand, the intelligence barrier does

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He kind of tripped over his own words, but I think he meant this: you talk about there being two possibilities (a "2012 iMac" and "not a 2012 iMac"), and because there are two choices you automatically give them equal weight. Hence your "flip a coin". The reality is that the "2012 iMac" position has lot more support than the "not a 2012 iMac" position. Rather than a coin, use a d20. If you roll a one - critical failure - there is no 2012 iMac. If you roll a 20 - critical success - then not only is a 2012 iMac coming out, but it comes in 27" and 32" Retina with no price increase. The rest of the die is the 2012 iMac with the conservative to normal expectations.

thanks, but i didnt trip. obviously, i dont speak english very well, or i really do need to explain myself a lot more but that sentence couldnt be more simpler.

 

[Dirtyharry50]

This article came out a little while ago now but I found one part in particular to be interesting:

"Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro," Pogue said. "An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, probably for release in 2013."

Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/351435/20120612/mac-pro-imac-wwdc-2012-apple-desktop.htm

Notice the inclusion of the iMac in the above quote. That would seem to give a little more credence to the idea that iMacs might not ship until 2013 along with Mac Pros. Maybe they play to update the entire desktop line together?

 

[iMcLovin]

This article came out a little while ago now but I found one part in particular to be interesting:

"Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro," Pogue said. "An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, probably for release in 2013."

Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/351435/20120612/mac-pro-imac-wwdc-2012-apple-desktop.htm

Notice the inclusion of the iMac in the above quote. That would seem to give a little more credence to the idea that iMacs might not ship until 2013 along with Mac Pros. Maybe they play to update the entire desktop line together?

I remember these news spreading and every site wrote "iMacs and Pros won't come before 2013 apple said" based on these comments from this Apple "executive".....then Apple went out in media to point out that the 2013 statement was only referring to the Mac Pro, and about the iMac they had no comments. Why would Apple do this unless they have it planned for this year? They obviously don't think the desktop is dead (as your article says) - and it wouldn't hurt the iMacs sale if everyone was told it was planned for 2013...that just mean people sitting on the fence this year could make a quick decision and buy the current. So to me this statement Apple made to correct themselves convinces me that they have it planned for this year. And the reason why they did this was because they don't want to piss off customers by lying. If I was told by Apple you wont see an iMac before 2013, I would maybe have bought the current, but I would be furious and probably stop being a customer if then they would release it this year...it would be like tricking customers into buying old stuff. So in my eyes this article and the following statements from apple is the exact opposite of what you are trying to convince us.
So, I respect your effort, but the evidences are still stronger towards a 2012 iMac, so you gotta try harder than that.

 

[davidgnomo]

This article came out a little while ago now but I found one part in particular to be interesting:
"Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro," Pogue said. "An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, PROBABLY for release in 2013."
Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/351435/20120612/mac-pro-imac-wwdc-2012-apple-desktop.htm

I tried to defend your position in the past since I too fear that a 2012 iMac is not an event that can be considered 100% sure, but YOU ARE DEFINITELY BECOMING UNDEFENDABLE !
First of all the stupid dumbass executive said "new models and new designs are under way, "PROBABLY" for release in 2013" ... if I have to stupidly (me, not you) speculate on this assertion, PROBABLY doesn't mean "for sure", which leaves us with a window open on earlier releases (2012 !)
Moreover, the stupid dumbass that Mr. Pogue quoted has already been denied by Apple press relations staff saying that he was not referring to iMacs ... even me, the most stupid person in the world, I can read rumors : https://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/13/imac-update-might-be-coming-sooner-rather-than-later/ (hey ... your article is one day older than mine )
What I try to do in my life is be honest and fair : I know that there are very low possibilities that a new iMac will be presented before the end of the year, but acting like a terrorist and pretending "you're doing it for us" in a forum where people search for Apple Rumors is insane ... are you becoming stupid like me ?

 

[iSayuSay]

This article came out a little while ago now but I found one part in particular to be interesting:

"Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro," Pogue said. "An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, probably for release in 2013."

Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/351435/20120612/mac-pro-imac-wwdc-2012-apple-desktop.htm

Notice the inclusion of the iMac in the above quote. That would seem to give a little more credence to the idea that iMacs might not ship until 2013 along with Mac Pros. Maybe they play to update the entire desktop line together?

Please notice that some time later that statement had been revised and put iMac out of the inclusion on 2013 desktop redesign. Which leaves MacPro alone in that possibility.

Yes, that might not means much. But that revised rumor alone gives us a glimpse of hope here that iMac would likely be updated not in 2013 like the MacPro. That leaves us with 2012, or 2014. So, which year do you think more feasible? But of course, Apple does not owe us anything since it's not an agreement letter or anything. Merely a vague statement.

I can still agree about your side of story about possibility of iMac non-existence in 2012. But you may also need to see the facts and changes around you more carefully.

 

[davidgnomo]

It was so clear, how could I take all this time to understand it ? Well, maybe 'cause I'm stupid ... that's just what he wants : provoke to get answers and keep on behaving like that ...

Dirtyharry50 : no more from me, not on this thread ...

 

[forty2j]

This article came out a little while ago now but I found one part in particular to be interesting:

"Many Apple observers also wonder if Apple thinks that desktop computers are dead, since not a word was said about the iMac and Mac Pro," Pogue said. "An executive did assure me, however, that new models and new designs are under way, probably for release in 2013."

Not sure if you're trolling now or if you're just really not very good at this... That "rumor" was current for about 3 hours on July 25, before Apple PR quickly issued a correction. There is no inference we can draw from the Pogue quote other than the fact that Pogue misunderstood the "executive" he was quoting.

 

[Tom J]

Wow, does this thread have a circular reference or what. Isn't this where we started 165 posts ago? THERE IS NO NEW INFORMATION.
Forty2j is THE voice of reason in this thread.

 

[cooky560]

This will be my first and last Apple computer purchase it seems...

 

[Dirtyharry50]

Wow, does this thread have a circular reference or what. Isn't this where we started 165 posts ago? THERE IS NO NEW INFORMATION.
Forty2j is THE voice of reason in this thread.

That is true and also the point you seem to have missed. There is no information confirming when we can expect new iMacs. For as many times as I say it, I get attacked by those who feel the rumors that tell them what they want to hear are more credible than the fact that there is no news from Apple. Speaking of which, my apologies for the outdated article. I got that quickly from a Google search, thought it interesting and didn't check to see about further news, etc. My bad there.

I feel bad for some of you who become emotional and upset about this stuff. It should be okay to talk about opposing points of view without it all being taken so personally. It ought to even be fun talking about this stuff if people could just lighten up and not get angry over it.

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This will be my first and last Apple computer purchase it seems...

Why is that?

 

[Yamcha]

It's a bit scary to me that we haven't seen an updated iMac yet.. It's been well over the average upgrade cycle, I'm hoping they are working on a radical redesign..

 

[arashb]

You make a statement like it's fact and then later try to defend yourself by saying it's a legitimate rumor? And to top it off you use a word like "ain't" and have a name like "DirtyHarry" which leads me to believe that you're from some hillbilly area where a 2008 iMac is considered new. Man I hate you.

A rumor has some sort of proof behind it or at least a blurry picture. But the absence of proof isn't proof, ESPECIALLY for Apple who notifies their retail employees a day before a release.

This thread is as useful as me saying "There is NO god" or even "There is a god". They can only both be proven by saying there's no proof, which is exactly what you're doing.

 

[iMcLovin]

That is true and also the point you seem to have missed. There is no information confirming when we can expect new iMacs. For as many times as I say it, I get attacked by those who feel the rumors that tell them what they want to hear are more credible than the fact that there is no news from Apple. Speaking of which, my apologies for the outdated article. I got that quickly from a Google search, thought it interesting and didn't check to see about further news, etc. My bad there.

I feel bad for some of you who become emotional and upset about this stuff. It should be okay to talk about opposing points of view without it all being taken so personally. It ought to even be fun talking about this stuff if people could just lighten up and not get angry over it.
?

I don't see people being that upset. At least I'm not. It's not like you have given us any great revelation and we have problems accepting it.
In fact, the only thing that bothers me in this thread is that you just don't seem to take in any counter arguments. So far you have not delivered a single proof to your claims, and there's not a single rumor around that strengthens your words - and it bothers me when someone keeps holding on to their own truth, even if they've been completely countered by better and more convincing arguments. (that's why I hate politicians )
So you say, we are hearing what we want to hear. Please tell me what we don't want to hear -give us something then? To me it seems more obvious you are hearing what you want to hear, because you have nothing else than your own opinions to back it up. That there's no news from Apple,... BIG SURPRISE!! Has there ever been news from Apple before a product launch ? Don't you see this is why we have rumor sites? The entire Apple marketing strategy is based around the mystery of their release dates. And, the only thing we can do is to hold on to rumors from people that has proved to know more than ourselves. And you don't seem to be one of them.
Actually, the fact that apple has gone out in the media to state that the 2013 update of the Pro did not include the iMac is more of a news from Apple than we usually get.
So, why do you want people to think 2013 ? What's the point, so we don't get disappointed if what we know so far don't turn out to be true ? I don't understand your motives. If you had one single shred of proof I could at least hear you out.

And, trust me I'm not angry or upset, I just don't understand were you are going with this.

 

[Lancer]

It's a bit scary to me that we haven't seen an updated iMac yet.. It's been well over the average upgrade cycle, I'm hoping they are working on a radical redesign..

I'm with you on that, the longer we have to wait for Ivy Bridge the more I think we might see a new design iMac in October. And with that we might loose the DVD, so we might get better specs (so less upgrading needed) but then is we want DVD we'll have to get the USB Superdrive or a 3rd party one.

I would love a new design iMac, assuming there are no major bugs for the first ones off the production lines.

And yes I still think we will see something before the end of the year, maybe mid October.

 

[Occamsrazr]

There are going to be a lot of sad faces in this thread when Jan rolls around. But DirtyHarry will be laughing his way to the internet pwn bank

 

[eldho]

Why all the hatred for Dirtyharry?

I do not recall any anger expressed towards those who have claimed that the imac was coming on various dates in the past when it didn't. Those were obviously false predictions.

If people are so sure that Dirtyharry is wrong why bother getting engaged here. Surely alternative points of view can be expressed without hatred being stirred up.

 

[Occamsrazr]

The iMac isn't released yet; it's Bush's fault!