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Plot twist: this is going the get an M1 Light and become the entry MacBook (no Pro or Air) for 799. /s
ACTUALLY ..... I was wondering about something like that a while ago.

I mean, think about it: If you strip half the CPU and GPU cores from the M1, reduce the L2 Cache to 8MiB, limit it to one display engine, and also remove half of the encoders and decoders .... you actually get a machine that is still good enough to browse the web, play a bunch of games, and edit a photo or two. So basically what most people do with the MacBook anyways.

You also get an A14.

So .... technically .... you could make a MacBook based on the iPhone SoC and it would still work quite well.
 
I don’t know honestly. I mean, there is a sizable gap between the starting price of an Air and the Pro 14. But you can certainly spec out an Air to right up there close to a base 14” but at the point you might as well get the 14.

999 base at 256/8. Specc it out to 512/16 and a non-gimped SoC .... and you are right in the middle at 1400/1500.
 
Does it tho?
Doesn't "need", but having a proper in between option that combines almost 14" MBP power and ports with 13" size and other lower specs from Air would be great for everyone. That't why the new MBP shouldn't be "just" M2, in 15 months people forgot there could be a better stepping stone and not just "Air+".
 
999 base at 256/8. Specc it out to 512/16 and a non-gimped SoC .... and you are right in the middle at 1400/1500.
It will not give it more computing power and more ports - something a lot of people would gladly pay more than for same sized Air while having 13" MBP (not to mention without touch bar for many and even possibly without the notch).
 
I don’t know honestly. I mean, there is a sizable gap between the starting price of an Air and the Pro 14. But you can certainly spec out an Air to right up there close to a base 14” but at the point you might as well get the 14.
A $2000 Air is still an Air. It looks old with the giant screen bezels and no real bells and whistles. It's like the difference between an iPad or an iPad Air/Pro. iPad looks dated but is very budget for those that don't care how it looks. The 14 is much more than an Air. It's feature rich. Huge difference between the two lines.
 
The M2 seems to be intended as a direct replacement for the M1 (and, as someone else has already pointed out, could quite conceivably be a pin-compatible,"drop-in" replacement) so once M2 production is cracked, Apple would probably want to end (regular) M1 production ASAP to free up capacity for M2.

It's not like Intel where there's a huge OEM market and the last couple of generations of chips would remain available to order for years - if Apple no longer needs M1s, nobody else will be buying them.

Dump M1 ASAP. Lots of that hinges on "possible". Apple probably isn't going to carry the M1 past 2022, but they probably are not in some 'desperate' hurry to do so.

You are presuming that the M1 and M2 are on the same TSMC process. That isn't necessarily true. If M2 is on TSMC N4 then dumping M1 doesn't free up anything because it is off on N5. If M2 is on the same process as A16 then Apple definitely would have a super high volume SoC to soak up N4 wafers. The catch is that probably can only so a limited amount of M2's for a couple of months before would have have to shift the bulk of the allocation to A16.

If Apple asked for N4 in late 21 and very early '22 because they though they could transition most of the lower part of the Mac and also the iPad Pro line up to M2 then there would be lots of capacity sitting there with few miniLED systems ready to go. However, there is a limited window here to produce M2 in high volume before the higher priority A16 would override that and M2 production would be limited until after the initial Fall iPhone demand bubble.

Since the Mac Pro and iMac Pro seem to be sliding into the second half of 2022, then just taking the MBP 13" M1 off the consumption list should be enough to give them some wiggle room on N5 wafers (e.g., more M1 Pro/Max for Mini Pro. No display so should run into fewer display parts shortages. ) . However, when Apple starts to wind down the A14-A15 off the N5 wafers that will be lots more room for. M1-generation dies. Hence, iMac Pro (with M1 Pro/Max) after that wind down starts.

September for iPad Pro ( so could start consuming M2's in July/August ). The MBA and "small" Mac Mini in October pulls the rest of the M1's from production and could soak some of that up with a M1 Max multi-die Mac Pro .


So anything with M1 that isn't being dropped or replaced will likely get bumped to M2 pretty pronto. If we just see an M2 13" MBP, and not M2 Minis, 24" iMacs and Airs (maybe not at the next event, but soon) then it would be a bit weird.

Not all that strange if they are constrained on M2 production because the iPhone had higher priority for wafers. That is where Apple makes most of their money. In May-August window Macs SoC competing with new Fall iPhone SoCs for wafers will probably loose.

So why introduce a ton of M2 products if don't have enough M2's to go around? [ the 'old' plan from 2019 could have been launch a bunch of M2 stuff in February and that initial demand bubble would be over by the time the "big ramp" started on the iPhone's SoC. The pandemic, miniLED growing pains, and parts shortages probably would have thrown that plan in the toilet. ]

If the M2 was meant to be a 'pipe cleaner' for the A16 then it is still a role that Apple probably would have stuck too. Just not as big of a production run before the A16 hit big production run.
 
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Let’s not forget those first-gen Core Solo Intel Macs, which were hobbled in many ways compared to the Core 2 and later.
 
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Here's a hint why people want a separate HDMI port instead of using a cable/adapter/dongle -- it uses one of the two ports on the MBP. If you're charging your MBP (port #1) and using an external monitor (port #2), how do you plug in an external drive, printer, or any other USB or Thunderbolt accessory? You have NO PORTS LEFT!
It is 2022. There is no need to have every port on your computer full.
 
Who cares what they will announce?
I made the mistake of not ordering a new MacBook Pro 16" straight after launch, and until now it takes about 2 months from day of ordering till you have it at home!
Order a MacBook Pro 16" in France maxed out will arrive 12-25 April!!!
It's 19 Feb now. Until now I haven't seen delivery times coming down.
But that's the thing: order now, and receive it while the new ones are being announced, or wait and wait and wait...
 
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It is 2022. There is no need to have every port on your computer full.
When Apple only gives you two, it ain't hard to do. I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, but literally everyone at one point or another charges their MacBook while using it. And we assume there is an external monitor connected since that's what the discussion was about.
 
The entry level MPB doesn't really make sense in a world where we have the M1 MBA and the 14 MBP.

If it won't have the promotion display, what would you get for this that a specced up MBP won't get you?

Maybe a little more time at peak performance than the fan-less MBA, but if that really bothers you, just get the entry level MBP 14.
 
I'm just surprised that they plan on carrying on with the 13" MacBook Pro. Surely it would make more sense to discontinue it entirely as the 14" MBP effectively replaces it and the 13" MacBook Air is a far better buy that the 13" Pro anyway. I'd rather see a redesigned MacBook Air (or just 'MacBook' again) that replaces *both* the MBA and 13" MBP. Using a design more in keeping with the current iMac and then an iMac Pro that copies more of the 14/16" MacBook Pro aesthetic. M2 powered MacBook, iMac and Mac Mini, M2 Pro/Max powered MacBook Pro and iMac Pro and an M2 Extreme powered Mac Pro. What more could you want?
Agreed. A thin MBA with mini LED & promotion will be a battery champ and will be 'the' machine desired by execs who just use light productivity apps.
 
I used to have an MBP with Touch Bar and didn't think I'd miss it. However, I actually found myself reaching for it the other day!

It was a bit ill-conceived but had potential. Unfortunately, the potential was never recognized.
I also like it and simply never understood why they wouldn’t just add it on top of the f keys while at the same time making the trackpads unnecessarily huge.
That would have been a win for everyone and surely would have helped keep the useful features the Touch Bar had to offer around.
 
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The entry level MPB doesn't really make sense in a world where we have the M1 MBA and the 14 MBP.

If it won't have the promotion display, what would you get for this that a specced up MBP won't get you?

Maybe a little more time at peak performance than the fan-less MBA, but if that really bothers you, just get the entry level MBP 14.
I understand the "it makes no sense to my needs, I can't imagine yours, just ditch it" part. But why are people "actively" arguing and explaining we should not have more options? It's like saying you shouldn't have number 2 when you have 1 & 3 ;) Just because you can stretch 1 to 1.5 and lower the 3 to 2.7 if you squeeze your eyes, doesn't make #2 obsolete - it just so happened, because of the first M1 "changeover unfortunate situation" between MBA and MBP, that currently we have MPB at "1.3" instead of 2 and all it would take is to put lowest M1 Pro into MPB 13" with 2 more ports and one more external display. Even if everything else stayed the same, just imagine it, it would suddenly be a clear in between choice and would be so logical and easy to explain within the lineup - you know, more power in smaller size, it's like the perfect tech mantra :)
 
Changing the 13" MBP from the M1 to the 8 core M1 Pro would make perfect sense as a cheaper pro machine. Releasing systems with the M2 in March when Apple still sells machines with Intel processors just doesn't sound very Apple.

The M2 doesn't solve the 'still on Intel' problem any more than the M1 did.

Rolling out a Mini Pro with M1 Pro/Max and an iMac Pro. with M1 Pro/Max solves that "still on Intel" problem. The M1, M2 , M1 Pro/Max none of them really solve the Mac Pro on Intel issue either. M2 showing up does nothing for that either.

There are three systems Apple registered. March could be a Mini Pro with a M1 Pro/Max and either M2 Macbook 13" with touch bar and new paint job (but old case) or a M1 Pro MBP 13" in old chassis . The iMac Pro probably is waiting on display and slides to July but announce and start collecting pre-orders in June.

The "M2" could be a mix up on just core count versus it being a binned M1 Pro ( both could "start" at 8 cores; just a different type mixture. ). Once again ilustrates that the GPU core count is far better at distinguishing what type of M-series SoC talking about than the CPU core count. CPU core count isn't the most significant attribute across the SoCs.
 
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The entry level MPB doesn't really make sense in a world where we have the M1 MBA and the 14 MBP.

If it won't have the promotion display, what would you get for this that a specced up MBP won't get you?

$700 extra dollars to spend on something else you need.

MBP 13" starts at $1,299 and the 14" at $1,999. There is no way those are perfectly substitutable goods. $700 could buy a decent Windows laptop. Camera lens. Rent/Mortgage . Food for the household ( common goods prices aren't going down with inflation. )

Maybe some folks don't want a PWM miniLED screen, but want the higher than "basement" Apple quality the MBA provides? Or if the MBA eventually also gets a PWM miniLED screen this would be Apple's last outlet not to get one ( similar to how the MBP 13" 2012 non retina model stuck around for a long while at one point. Put this on an M2 and coast on it for 2-3 years. )



Maybe a little more time at peak performance than the fan-less MBA, but if that really bothers you, just get the entry level MBP 14.

If there is a 8 core M1 Pro in this updated device there wouldn't be a small "peak performance" gap. If keeping the Pro on the product name then decent chance will be matching the SoC suffix to the chassis.

If strip the "Pro" off the system and set it to M2 but keep the MBA at M1 for 7-9 months then there also will be a performance gap.
 
The M2 doesn't solve the 'still on Intel' problem any more than the M1 did.

Rolling out a Mini Pro with M1 Pro/Max and an iMac Pro. with M1 Pro/Max solves that "still on Intel" problem. The M1, M2 , M1 Pro/Max none of them really solve the Mac Pro on Intel issue either. M2 showing up does nothing for that either.

There are three systems Apple registered. March could be a Mini Pro with a M1 Pro/Max and either M2 Macbook 13" with touch bar and new paint job (but old case) or a M1 Pro MBP 13" in old chassis . The iMac Pro probably is waiting on display and slides to July but announce and start collecting pre-orders in June.

The "M2" could be a mix up on just core count versus it being a binned M1 Pro ( both could "start" at 8 cores; just a different type mixture. ). Once again ilustrates that the GPU core count is far better at distinguishing what type of M-series SoC talking about than the CPU core count. CPU core count isn't the most significant attribute across the SoCs.
Just because the GPU core count has more stretch and doesn't have two types of cores to consider, doesn't mean it has more impact and should work as a primary "distinguishing property" for a majority of users. Sometimes even dumb down explanation needs to have 2 dimensions and CPU cores (their type and count) just affect the user more than narrower utilisation of GPU.
And it's not that complicated anyway - if M1 is 100%, then M2 is expected at 120-125% given more efficiency, 8 core M1 Pro is around 150% +/- and 10 core M1 Pro/Max around 170% of CPU performance. That't simple and linear for people that are interested. GPU cores and accelerator benefits are more complex according to specific tasks and don't relate to the overall machine performance for a majority of users or even apps utilising them.
 
Apparently someone at Apple HQ has dusted off John Sculleys ’How to make a mess of your product line’ playbook. Look forward to the upcoming M3 Performa line.
They’re actually trying to clean it up, I think. I’m hoping they reinstate a “MacBook” line to go along with the MacBook Airs and Pros, which would make perfect sense. This new one ☝️ could be the MacBook.
 
those who prefer it (like myself) already got it with the M1

Who would shell out for the same old same old and just some 10 - 20 % performance gain over the previous generation, when something new and shiny is just around the corner?

I just cannot see it happening, it does not make any sense
First of, not everyone had their purchase plan matching up with the M1 launch, and if they are not desperate to buy, might wait to see both what problems Gen 1 might present, and what comes with Gen 2.

You are assuming a 10-20% performance uplift. That might be true for the CPU part of the SoC but it may well see completely new capabilites in video codec support, and if they expand the graphics as on the A15 (and without the phones’ thermal throttling) coupled to a 50% uplift in bandwidth with LPDDR5, the graphics performance will see a significant boost. If you aren’t desperate, that could well be worth waiting a bit for. Not to mention the rather weak I/O of the M1. One can always hope for improvements in that regard.

Not everyone loves pastel colours and white bezels. I don’t buy kitchen knives with colourful plastic handles either, I’m boring that way.
 
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