Use a decent public key encryption application for your private stuff and it's not an issueNo thanks
Surprised at quickly people put their whole lives on a phone in the name of convenience.
Use a decent public key encryption application for your private stuff and it's not an issueNo thanks
Surprised at quickly people put their whole lives on a phone in the name of convenience.
Was very excited about this at first but then read a hypothetical realistic scenario someone described.
The cops could get all friendly and say “My handheld scanner doesn’t seem to be working. Would you mind handing over your phone? I’ll just quickly scan on my in-car scanner. Can you please also unlock it so I don’t lose the app? Otherwise I need to file some report for missing documents and we’d need to get a hearing etc. Instead, if you just give me the phone, we’d be done in 5 mins.”
Of course everyone thinks they are not gullible but cops do this for a living. They can word it much better to make it sound convincing.
I must not "get it" but what could you have on your phone that you would be afraid of law enforcement seeing?
Planning a bank heist?
Drug deal?
You are right, to be honest. It's a slow Friday after a slow news week with many fringe/boring news topics, and so this is a filler story for a more general audience. I wish it didn't come at the expense of upsetting our most dedicated readers who already know every little detail, but there are always tradeoffs involved with publishing content. One thing I have tried to learn over the years is that it is impossible to please everyone. I hope you know that we certainly try our best to balance real-but-boring news with filler-but-popular stories.
That's naive. As Yogi Berra put it perfectly, "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is".Pfffft. Cops don’t want your device or your wallet. They only want a physical driver’s license or government issued ID. They don’t want the hassle of being accused of stealing or damaging anything.
That's naive. As Yogi Berra put it perfectly, "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is".
In other words, you are technically correct but in practice it can depend who you are, where you are, what color is your skin (sigh), whether the cop had a fight with his/her partner that morning.....
You do realize California has almost 40 million people, right? Most the states on this list have a small fraction of that. Much easier to implement.That's what I was thinking! You would think Cali would be the FIRST to signup but Nooooooo hhhhh
Your gay contacts if you're in a state that uh, frowns upon such things
- Your upcoming trip to a state where you're allowed to have an abortion (sigh)
what color is your skin (sigh), whether the cop had a fight with his/her partner that morning.....
Which is a bigger cause for concern because those who DO want to be cops will often not be upstanding citizens respecting your rights.
Then you won't need to carry your ID at a few major airports which will still be the only place that will have the ID readers. It will be a very long time before the ID readers are in all the locations for everyone that needs to check IDs. Nobody will look at an easily modified picture on a phone and accepting it as a valid ID. Every implementation needs the ID readers as the second major part of making this work.Not in New York yet? Bastards! 😂 I don’t carry my wallet around anymore. I use Apple pay exclusively now. So no more credit cards. So I have to slide my driver’s license behind my iphone case while I drive. No biggie. But I wish New York was on that list. Maybe someday.
Wish it would expand more quickly...Lets fix the headline these two states allow it almost a year later with radio silence from the rest of the country.
I got excited for nothing. Must be a boring Friday.
It’s fairly straightforward, they either use a digital scanner hooked into this system or they don’t, and if they don’t, you need your physical ID if you want to access a venue, and police departments are quite clearly saying they don’t accept Apple Wallet yet, a few states have their own apps though and they had to update their laws so the police could accept the app as ID. Currently this is TSA only and even that in a few airports nationwide. It’s a very glacial rollout.It’ll be interesting to see how quickly these things are actually adopted. When Apple Pay first arrived, a lot of people hadn’t heard of it outside the tech world but at least you could just hold your phone to the card reader if it was contactless and it would usually work, removing any doubt from the staff member. With digital ID/Driving Licence, it’s effectively your word against theirs if they’ve never heard of it and it’s a situation where you just need to show them some ID without any actual technical ‘transaction’ involved.
In Apple Wallet you do not need to unlock your phone to access cards in your wallet. You can tap the power button 5 times and it will require a passcode to unlock, and then you can tap the power button twice to use Apple Wallet, and the phone will stay locked but you can still use Apple Pay and other Apple Wallet cards.So the device remains locked even after authenticating with FaceID?
That is, does this intend to say,
"You do not need to unlock, OR show, OR hand over your device" (which is good)
or does it intend to say,
"You do not need to unlock+show" (that is the phone is still going to be unlocked, only that you are presenting it to a machine rather than a person)?
My guess is the latter. The phone is still unlocked when authenticated. This is not safe enough.
Because the concern is that, for example, if the police pulls you over and asks for ID, if you use your phone as an ID, the police might take your entire phone and scan it on his device or even goes back to his car to punch in the info.
It is important to have a way to open the ID while keeping the rest of the phone locked.
This is all good points. It’s the FBI you need to fear and never talk to or give your phone to😉In many of the states where this has been implemented, the cop would be breaking the law if they took possession of your phone in the process of scanning it. If there gets to be any sort of a problem with cops doing this, presumably civil liberties groups would make a lot of very public noise about it, and cops will get in trouble over it.
And when your drivers license is displayed in iOS, it's via the wallet app, on the lock screen - you have to use TouchID or FaceID to get it to display the license, the phone itself is not unlocked, there's no app that needs to be started up or kept open, and you can't access the other cards in the wallet, only the drivers license. There's not much they can do with it. And, again, taking it out of your hands is breaking the law.
Other hypothetical realistic scenarios include, you get a knock on your door and when you open it, SOMEONE SHOOTS YOU WITH A MACHINE GUN! - therefore, never open your door under any circumstances.
Cops tricking people into doing stupid things is something you cure by (A) enforcement of existing laws against cops and possibly establishment of new laws, and (B) educating the public to not be as gullible. It's not a reason to try to ban a reasonable technological advancement.
The reverse (and equally ridiculous) list of straw men would beOh ffs.
Look out, strawmen!
I don’t know about you but I just label everyone in my phone as “not gay” just to be safe. 🙄This is a question of privacy and human dignity --- it has nothing whatsoever to do with what might or might not be (or should be) legal
- Financial information that is private - most people don't want others knowing about such information
- Your gay contacts if you're in a state that uh, frowns upon such things
- Your upcoming trip to a state where you're allowed to have an abortion (sigh)
- ....too many other things that are just nobody else's business
The classic "I've got nothing to hide" argument is just total nonsense.
To quote the highly regarded expert on security and privacy, Bruce Schneier (look him up!)
Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect