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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

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What I hate about macs

windows switchers...
I hate how they act like the windows way to do things is superior. zoom button issue, zip folders, application installation, ect.
 
With all due respect, I don't want Apple, Steve Jobs, or even you deciding what "a normal daily feature computer users need."

It bothers me that you spend so much of your time defending the weaknesses of Macs and OS X instead of bringing the users' wishes to Apple's attention. I think that a good software developer should listen to his user base; while we keep in mind that user desires/needs come third after corporate profits and corporate ego.

windows switchers...
I hate how they act like the windows way to do things is superior. zoom button issue, zip folders, application installation, ect.
What if they're right Jimmy?
 
What if they're right Jimmy?

Well I would say an opinion is never right, it's just an opinion. They're just used to the windows way so it feels easier and they often feel that they must impress that on others. I used windows from mac os 8 to mac os 10.3, so I know my way around windows (not nearly as well as OS X) and sometimes I like the way windows handles certain things, but I wouldn't say either way is better, I would just say it works better for how I expect it to work.
 
the MacBooks and iMacs have matte screens while the MacBook Pro has a matte option and the Cinema Displays are matte. id call that even wouldnt you? dont no where you got no option for mattes from.

the MacBooks and iMacs have glossy screens. You have to go MacBook Pro or use a Cinema Display to have a matte option from an Apple product. I think this was just a typo on your part, but I believe that the complaint is in regard to the lack of a matte option on the consumer (not pro) level. Apple isn't the only one who doesn't offer matte options on consumer laptops, but I understand the complaint.
 
windows switchers...
I hate how they act like the windows way to do things is superior. zoom button issue, zip folders, application installation, ect.
Even worse are ossified Mac users who refuse to accept that for some details, Windows is superior.

The Zip thing is interesting: at home I don't care -- and most people probably don't as HLDan says-- as I rarely use zipped archives. But at work, I often need to dig through zipped files to find historic data, and Windows's process of making zips behave like folders is efficient. Using a Mac for this specific behavior would be more cumbersome.

That said, I find myself flicking my mouse towards the screen corner and wondering why WinXP won't Expose my windows...
 
<snip> They're just used to the windows way so it feels easier and .... <snip> … I wouldn't say either way is better, I would just say it works better for how I expect it to work.
This explains some of the complaints made by switchers, but it does NOT apply to the very real complaints about the OS X user interface.

In an unbiased evaluation of a UI, ease of use, user productivity, and eye appeal should be given a lot of weight.

Jimmy’s approach to OS evaluation seems to directly apply to one facet of the ease of use factor, and can be easily dealt with by having a positive attitude about acquiring new habits.

IMO productivity is directly related to ease of use in the majority of cases.

In some areas OS X is clearly easier to use: For a keyboard user in Windows there is nothing that approaches OS X’s opt-cmd to open Spotlight, then typing the first few characters of a file’s or an application’s name and then pressing ret to open the file or app.

In some areas Windows is clearly easier to use: Restoring an accidentally deleted file in Windows is a single mouse click, while in OS X the deleted file must be moved back to it’s original location.

Eye appeal is a strictly personal preference. IMO a UI is “better” if it offers user customization to an extent that most users can build a comfortable working environment.

None of this addresses the OS core, where OS X is clearly better than Windows (XP or Vista) in most areas. Some poor choices were made in the core design of Windows, and for years Microsoft has been working under this handicap and it will most likely be several more years before they are able to bring their product up to Unix standards without breaking existing applications.
 
I'm a lover not a hater, but the two things that annoy me the most are the inability to resize windows except from bottom right, and the inability to delete a file without sending it to trash.

I know heading off the calls of heresy is impossible, but I'll go into detail on my two niggles anyway.

I understand the arguments for the bottom right resize, but I do not agree with them. There are many times when it is far more efficient to resize from top left rather than resizing from bottom right, moving the window, resizing again, ad infinitum until you hit the right spot. Any argument against this ability is simply because you are so used to not having it that you don't understand the benefit it provides.

As for the trash, I wouldn't mind not being able to delete a file (as in the windows ability with shift-delete) without sending it to the trash if there were a way to remove only one file (or a selection of fiiles) from the trash. The reason this is an issue is because, on occasion, I want to delete a VERY large file to regain space on the disk for other work. Sending it to the trash does not release the space, therefore, I must empty the trash - losing all the other files I have put in the trash that I may want to recover. This makes the whole trash feature completely useless since you are deleting all your files anyway - yet it can't be turned off. The only way around this issue is to open up a terminal and use the rm command. Which works fine, but is annoying.

Again, I love the OS, but those two things annoy me on a pretty regular basis.

PS> I agree with those that don't like the maximize button, only because it is left to the application to properly implement the feature, and many do not implement it in a logical fashion, making it something to avoid (and therefore pointless). I don't list that in my main post just because it's such a minor thing, it doesn't really matter.
 
the MacBooks and iMacs have glossy screens. You have to go MacBook Pro or use a Cinema Display to have a matte option from an Apple product. I think this was just a typo on your part, but I believe that the complaint is in regard to the lack of a matte option on the consumer (not pro) level. Apple isn't the only one who doesn't offer matte options on consumer laptops, but I understand the complaint.

yep sorry that was a typo. i was thinking glossy but wrote matte.
 
In some areas OS X is clearly easier to use: For a keyboard user in Windows there is nothing that approaches OS X’s opt-cmd to open Spotlight, then typing the first few characters of a file’s or an application’s name and then pressing ret to open the file or app.

Actually, yes there is, Windows Desktop Search. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/default.mspx, it's a standalone download for XP and built into Vista. Pretty much does what spotlight does.

Don't get me wrong, one of the reasons I started using Macs was because of Spotlight, but WDS pretty much neutralizes that point. At least for me.
 
I understand the arguments for the bottom right resize, but I do not agree with them. There are many times when it is far more efficient to resize from top left rather than resizing from bottom right, moving the window, resizing again, ad infinitum until you hit the right spot. Any argument against this ability is simply because you are so used to not having it that you don't understand the benefit it provides.

I agree, I wish I could grab any corner or side and size the resize the window. Not just the bottom right. That would be great!
 

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i just tried it. it does work.

But if you check "Flash the time separators" it goes nuts and crashes, and doesn't work until you reset it again.

I NEED those things to flash! .... if that isn't possible... then god help us.... god help us all....

I mean, is it too much to ask to change the : time separator to say "titties"? How fantastic would that be?

Then you can say things like... oh! It's titty-o-clock! And "look! titties are flashing on my screen!"

That idea is patent pending. If anyone would like to use "titties" in the date and time, please pay me the equivalent of $816.24 Canadian dollars.


Haha... oh man, I did it. It's flashing titties on the screen! I have accomplished a lot this day, my friends. And now I must rest.
 
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