Things you HATE about Macs...

[tronic72]

The new keyboard on my iMac!

I HATE the new keyboard on my iMac. Why didn't they leave the buttons alone? They've only been like it for 10 years. Who ever gave the green light to move the buttons is AN IDIOT!

My 2c

PS Love the design, just shouldn't have touched the keys.

 

[eXan]

I HATE the new keyboard on my iMac. Why didn't they leave the buttons alone? They've only been like it for 10 years. Who ever gave the green light to move the buttons is AN IDIOT!

My 2c

PS Love the design, just shouldn't have touched the keys.

What do you mean by "move"?

They didnt move the keys... and the spacing between them is the same as before

 

[Tom B.]

What do you mean by "move"?

They didnt move the keys... and the spacing between them is the same as before

I think what tronic72 was trying to object to was the rearrangement of the Function keys, e.g. Expose was F9, but is now F3.

It did annoy me too at first, but after a couple of days at the very most, I was completely used to the change and now prefer it

 

[HLdan]

I HATE the new keyboard on my iMac. Why didn't they leave the buttons alone? They've only been like it for 10 years. Who ever gave the green light to move the buttons is AN IDIOT!

My 2c

PS Love the design, just shouldn't have touched the keys.

You are entitled to how you feel about the keyboard buttons, the change is not for everyone but come on, hating the keyboard (and mouse for some) is hardly a thing to hate about Macs. They are both a cheap commodity and can easily be replaced in seconds for really cheap.

Don't tell me that every PC you've owned (if any) shipped with a keyboard and mouse that you just fell in love with at first sight and never wanted anything different?

 

[BlakTornado]

I HATE the new keyboard on my iMac. Why didn't they leave the buttons alone? They've only been like it for 10 years. Who ever gave the green light to move the buttons is AN IDIOT!

My 2c

PS Love the design, just shouldn't have touched the keys.

Get an old keyboard to replace it then if it bothers you that much.


But you'll get used to it

 

[Nick T.]

windows switchers...
I hate how they act like the windows way to do things is superior. zoom button issue, zip folders, application installation, ect.

Many Windows users think that Microsoft sucks, but in my approx. 20 years of using Windows I don't think that I've met more than a small handful for Windows fanatics who tried to make themselves feel better by denigrating OS8, OS9, OSX, Linux, etc.

What I have seen, especially in the past 8 to 10 years, is an increasing attitude of superiority amongst Mac users (which may or may not be deserved) which seems to lead less mature individuals to operating their mouths (or keyboards) without engaging their brains.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Many Windows users think that Microsoft sucks, but in my approx. 20 years of using Windows I don't think that I've met more than a small handful for Windows fanatics who tried to make themselves feel better by denigrating OS8, OS9, OSX, Linux, etc.

What I have seen, especially in the past 8 to 10 years, is an increasing attitude of superiority amongst Mac users (which may or may not be deserved) which seems to lead less mature individuals to operating their mouths (or keyboards) without engaging their brains.

that doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread. please stay on topic and give us a mac whine.

I have another one: the new iCal; is there a faster way of editing the contents of an event rather than making it, and selecting it like 3 times, then selecting the right field to change?

 

[TH-Gunner]

that doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread. please stay on topic and give us a mac whine.

I have another one: the new iCal; is there a faster way of editing the contents of an event rather than making it, and selecting it like 3 times, then selecting the right field to change?

Agreed. Leopard destroyed iCal. Tiger did it way better. Unfortunately, I cannot drag my old Tiger iCal to Leopard. Running it yields a "This version of iCal cannot be run on this version of OSX" message.

FIX ICAL, YOU MORONS IN CUPERTINO!

 

[JBazz]

Well the thing is, somehow I doubt it ever was free. It was probably just included in the price of the computer. It went away, and the price of a new Mac is probably that much less. If you want it back, just pay the extra to have it preinstalled when you get your computer. I really doubt it was ever actually free before; they just didn't give you a choice about whether or not you got it, and hid from you that you ever paid for it.
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Because I cant simply buy the one program I NEED. I can only obtain it by buying a complete package of programs.

And you can continue doubting what ever you want, you obviously either arent old enough or werent buying macs when it was free.

But whatever. I get a free license to use microsoft office thru my employer. So that is what I use, even though I would rather use the software I am familiar with

Besides, if they can sell computers with preloaded chess, then can put a proper word processing program. One the things people really need. Instead of some cheap game.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

My two biggest complaints -

1. The video card situation, especially on the towers. I'd like to see more choices, lower prices and more updates.

2. Microsoft Office. The ultimate killer app on any computer, but a royal pain in the butt in terms of weird little formatting incompatibilities between each and every version. This is more a criticism against Office in general, but the Mac version seems to have some differences, such as with keystroked, that are simply unnecessary.

 

[macrem]

There is nothing I hate about Macs. If there were, I'd switch. Not to Windows, though, but to Linux as my primary OS. I am definintely in the *NIX camp and getting close to middle of the road between wanting the ability to hack everything (Linux) and wanting a system where everything just works OOTB (OS X).

A few things that tend to push me a little more toward Linux lately are:

- Ubuntu keeps improving at a fast pace, and developers respond to the community. I am still wondering if Apple plans to address the gripe with hijacked transparent menus in 10.5.3. This would be a non-issue on Linux

- stability: is it just me or is Mail less stable in Leopard that it ever was? It seems to crash 4-6 times/week for me. The OS is solid, but some apps are getting buggier probably from trying to cram in so many new features. I think Apple should be extra careful not to compromise its core values like simplicity and quality software in order to cram in more features

- crippling common *NIX features: for example, AFAIK all *NIX distros except OS X allow you to remote display app windows. For remote management w/ OS X, it appears you have to use ARD, which is not a bad option to have but its more Windows-ish than *NIX-ish. I prefer using ssh, then just running commands.

- I also like CLI simplicity, such as the ability to just type "firefox&" to launch an app. Apple could easily satify this type of user without taking anything away from GUI only users. Apple is about keeping it simple, but it seems this is not so in the CLI. I also know that I can create aliases, but then everything needs to have an alias (overhead) and typically the OS X commands would be more complex that the standard *NIX way.

- I also hope that, under the hood (from the CLI), Apple will try to stick to standard *NIX commands whenever possible. Among *NIX distros, OS X is the most foreign beast. In some ways its for the better, but in some ways its just more complicated and I don't see the benefit. Example: why can't admin commands like groupadd, useradd be supported?

 

[krye]

I wouldn't go as far as to say I HATE it, but I often think the green LED on the keyboards looks silly. I wish it were white to match the power LED. Although white wouldn't look good on an Air or MBP with a backlit keyboard. Red and blue are so cliche, so they're out. Maybe amber or yellow would have been a little more subtle. I don't have an answer, I just think green does not go with white/aluminum.

 

[saltyzoo]

- Ubuntu keeps improving at a fast pace, and developers respond to the community. I am still wondering if Apple plans to address the gripe with hijacked transparent menus in 10.5.3. This would be a non-issue on Linux

If you need this level of customization then yeah, linux is probably better for you. That said, nobody NEEDS menus that are illegible.

- stability: is it just me or is Mail less stable in Leopard that it ever was? It seems to crash 4-6 times/week for me. The OS is solid, but some apps are getting buggier probably from trying to cram in so many new features. I think Apple should be extra careful not to compromise its core values like simplicity and quality software in order to cram in more features

I don't use mail, and I don't have a lot of problems with apps crashing, but I still agree that there seems to be a fading of quality to some degree.

- crippling common *NIX features: for example, AFAIK all *NIX distros except OS X allow you to remote display app windows. For remote management w/ OS X, it appears you have to use ARD, which is not a bad option to have but its more Windows-ish than *NIX-ish. I prefer using ssh, then just running commands.

sshd is available with a click of a button. X11 installs with a dmg. You can display any *NIX X11 app from your mac just like any other X11 app. I do this between Ubuntu and Mac all the time. You can't throw aqua windows on another box though. While it would be handy, I don't see this as a killer personally and 98% of mac users would never use it.

- I also like CLI simplicity, such as the ability to just type "firefox&" to launch an app. Apple could easily satify this type of user without taking anything away from GUI only users. Apple is about keeping it simple, but it seems this is not so in the CLI. I also know that I can create aliases, but then everything needs to have an alias (overhead) and typically the OS X commands would be more complex that the standard *NIX way.

Huh? OS X has an extremely rich command line interface to GUI. You should look into the commands "open" and "osascript".

- I also hope that, under the hood (from the CLI), Apple will try to stick to standard *NIX commands whenever possible. Among *NIX distros, OS X is the most foreign beast. In some ways its for the better, but in some ways its just more complicated and I don't see the benefit. Example: why can't admin commands like groupadd, useradd be supported?

Again, 99.9% of users do not need groupadd or useradd functionality. Those that do can probably write a script to translate it for you.

 

[0098386]

I've spent a week or so recovering so I haven't used XP. Just OSX with FrontRow and the really awesome voice commands feature. And I've enjoyed it. If I didn't have to make games and play Steam games then I'd always be in OSX.

Only downside for me is the lack of games. But I don't blame it. OSX is a perfect work and media environment. Expose is worth the price alone.

 

[eXan]

I wouldn't go as far as to say I HATE it, but I often think the green LED on the keyboards looks silly. I wish it were white to match the power LED. Although white wouldn't look good on an Air or MBP with a backlit keyboard. Red and blue are so cliche, so they're out. Maybe amber or yellow would have been a little more subtle. I don't have an answer, I just think green does not go with white/aluminum.

Green matches the laptops' light on the power cords

 

[macrem]

saltyzoo... thanks for your comments, I agree with your points. Just on the "open", etc. commands: I do know and use those commands. My point was simply to say that I would prefer if Apple stuck to standard *NIX commands whenever efficient and possible, like groupadd (there is a fairly long and seemingly growing list)

I remote display X11 windows from Linux servers to my Mac too. This could be one reason on the side of going with a Linux box instead of an xserve box, which is a what comes first, the chicken or the egg scenario.

Practically speaking, I would not use it much for Aqua apps either now but that is what I think should be there. I read somewhere that the hooks are in the code, were in fact working with NeXt, but Apple does not enable it for OS X. Its also the idea that common *NIX functionality is getting lost. Also, for Apple, X11 seems to be catching up to Aqua graphically (e.g. w/ xgl), then it stands out more that the functionality surrounding it is crippled. I think RD is overkill in most cases.

 

[hatsandcats]

No Undo command (Cmd-Z) in Finder.

 

[adamfishercox]

No Undo command (Cmd-Z) in Finder.

except that there is...

 

[BlackThunder]

Because I cant simply buy the one program I NEED. I can only obtain it by buying a complete package of programs.

And you can continue doubting what ever you want, you obviously either arent old enough or werent buying macs when it was free.

But whatever. I get a free license to use microsoft office thru my employer. So that is what I use, even though I would rather use the software I am familiar with

Besides, if they can sell computers with preloaded chess, then can put a proper word processing program. One the things people really need. Instead of some cheap game.

There are so many options for free word processors, not to mention most people as upset as you are about it not being free anymore would just as soon d/l a copy somewhere. You're using Microsoft Office for free, might as well get iWork.

I'm so glad my moral compass doesn't have any regard for stealing software.... not to mention I bet half of the people who preach about how it's wrong to d/l pirated software do so anyway, and then jump on imaginary pedestals when posting on MacRumors.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

No Undo command (Cmd-Z) in Finder.

do you mean that there is not cut command in the finder (Command X)? because there is an undo command (command Z)

 

[TheReef]

I love using Macs much more than Windows but there are still some very annoying problems I encounter and wish Apple would fix them, yet in my mind I get the feeling that they wont.

• On all the Macs I have ever used there will always be an occasion where mail refuses to quit and stops shutdown.
  
  
• Simple little features that would take very little time to implement are left to the large 0.1 iterations. Eg as already said the simple option for a translucent menu bar slider. Apple dictates what we features we can or can't have.
  
  
• iPhoto is too slow. Too too slow. Painfully slow. It was faster on my iMac 350 128 Mb RAM than on my G5 with 2 Gig of Ram.
  
  
• The default displays control panel doesn't support rotating displays. (It's fine on my upgraded G5 with an 9800 and Ati displays but not on my Pismo using an external display).
  
  
• No FTP write access from the Finer ahhhhhh! I wish there was an FTP program that would support copy and paste of files rather than tediously having to drag and drop all the time…
  
  
• No FTP access in iWeb (Even though I only use it occasionally for family stuff it's slow having to re upload the site every time you want a simple change)
  
  
• No EXIF viewer in Safari (needing to have an Exif viewer in my Dock is not an elegant solution).
  
  
• Pulling tabs out of Safari is too slow.
  
  
• I wish I could go into Time Machine and delete some large files that I definitely would no longer need. This would mean more time until my backup drive is full, and my oldest files which are most important stay for longer.
  
  
• .DS_Store Files ahhhh! I wish I could disable them for thumb drives.
  
  
• No write access for NTFS Windows drives.
  
  
• Minimise function for files in the dock is too slow when I have lots in there (gets too small) Sliding underneath the application icon may be a better idea.
  
  
• Not a major issue but you have to hold the eject button down on the keyboard for too long.
  
  
• EDIT: Text annotations in Leopard TextEdit are very poor when compared to Tiger's! I miss the ability to fill out pdf forms

 

[HLdan]

[*]I wish I could go into Time Machine and delete some large files that I definitely would no longer need. This would mean more time until my backup drive is full, and my oldest files which are most important stay for longer.

You can easily delete files in Time Machine. All you have to do is launch Time Machine and fly back to the file you want to remove. Highlight that file and click on the "Action" icon in the Finder toolbar. Select the option that says, "Delete All Backups of xxx-file".

 

[BlackThunder]

[*].DS_Store Files ahhhh! I wish I could disable them for thumb drives.

http://lifehacker.com/software/anno...ces-turn-off-thumbsdb-and-ds_store-250292.php

Tinkertool can disable them.

 

[adamfishercox]

• iPhoto is too slow. Too too slow. Painfully slow. It was faster on my iMac 350 128 Mb RAM than on my G5 with 2 Gig of Ram.

• 
  
  iPhoto is fine on my computer. If you have an older computer, don't expect everything to run perfectly.
  
  

  [*]The default displays control panel doesn't support rotating displays. (It's fine on my upgraded G5 with an 9800 and Ati displays but not on my Pismo using an external display).

  Because your Pismo likely doesn't support it. Once again, old hardware, not necessarily gonna get you the best performance and features.
  
  

  [*]Pulling tabs out of Safari is too slow.

  Third time: Old hardware.
  

  [*]No write access for NTFS Windows drives.

  Because it's proprietary. They've implemented as much as they could, I think.
  
  
  

  [*]Not a major issue but you have to hold the eject button down on the keyboard for too long.

because before, when you could just click it, people would eject disks by accident all the time.

 

[Digital Skunk]

- stability: is it just me or is Mail less stable in Leopard that it ever was? It seems to crash 4-6 times/week for me. The OS is solid, but some apps are getting buggier probably from trying to cram in so many new features. I think Apple should be extra careful not to compromise its core values like simplicity and quality software in order to cram in more features

Nope, I honestly think it's just your machine. All the Leopard machines that I run had many problems until 10.5.2, then everything ran smoothly after the update. You may want to get that checked out.

- crippling common *NIX features: for example, AFAIK all *NIX distros except OS X allow you to remote display app windows. For remote management w/ OS X, it appears you have to use ARD, which is not a bad option to have but its more Windows-ish than *NIX-ish. I prefer using ssh, then just running commands.

- I also like CLI simplicity, such as the ability to just type "firefox&" to launch an app. Apple could easily satify this type of user without taking anything away from GUI only users. Apple is about keeping it simple, but it seems this is not so in the CLI. I also know that I can create aliases, but then everything needs to have an alias (overhead) and typically the OS X commands would be more complex that the standard *NIX way.

Not many users, or even pro users, need that access. There is a small number of IT guys that have expresses this issue in the circles that I interact with but they have come to grips with knowing that this form of computing is for a very very small crowd, and not a crowd that Apple wishes to cater to.

do you mean that there is not cut command in the finder (Command X)? because there is an undo command (command Z)

There is a cut function, but there is nothing to cut in Finder. I honestly couldn't give a reason for it not being there, kinda wish it was, but harping on that means that you're missing the rest of the computer. I got over it within the first few days of using Mac.

I love using Macs much more than Windows but there are still some very annoying problems I encounter and wish Apple would fix them, yet in my mind I get the feeling that they wont.

• On all the Macs I have ever used there will always be an occasion where mail refuses to quit and stops shutdown.
  
  
• Simple little features that would take very little time to implement are left to the large 0.1 iterations. Eg as already said the simple option for a translucent menu bar slider. Apple dictates what we features we can or can't have.
  
  
• iPhoto is too slow. Too too slow. Painfully slow. It was faster on my iMac 350 128 Mb RAM than on my G5 with 2 Gig of Ram.
  
  
• The default displays control panel doesn't support rotating displays. (It's fine on my upgraded G5 with an 9800 and Ati displays but not on my Pismo using an external display).
  
  
• No FTP write access from the Finer ahhhhhh! I wish there was an FTP program that would support copy and paste of files rather than tediously having to drag and drop all the time…
  
  
• No FTP access in iWeb (Even though I only use it occasionally for family stuff it's slow having to re upload the site every time you want a simple change)
  
  
• No EXIF viewer in Safari (needing to have an Exif viewer in my Dock is not an elegant solution).
  
  
• Pulling tabs out of Safari is too slow.
  
  
• I wish I could go into Time Machine and delete some large files that I definitely would no longer need. This would mean more time until my backup drive is full, and my oldest files which are most important stay for longer.
  
  
• .DS_Store Files ahhhh! I wish I could disable them for thumb drives.
  
  
• No write access for NTFS Windows drives.
  
  
• Minimise function for files in the dock is too slow when I have lots in there (gets too small) Sliding underneath the application icon may be a better idea.
  
  
• Not a major issue but you have to hold the eject button down on the keyboard for too long.
  
  
• EDIT: Text annotations in Leopard TextEdit are very poor when compared to Tiger's! I miss the ability to fill out pdf forms

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