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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

  • Total voters
    1,333
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Finder being a bit crappy... This isn't very intuitive for new users - this really highlights itself when you have a .dmg and it tells you to drag the icon into Applications. There's no sidebar on a .dmg window, so on your first time you get puzzled and try clicking on the finder dock icon. This does nothing, and eventually you figure out you have to pick "New Finder Window" tucked away in the menu and drag-drop between them.

It may not be obvious to many but all you have to do is click the little horizontal bubble at top to the right on any Finder window and it will hide/expose the sidebar. Now you can drag your .DMG's right to the sidebar.
 
You get used to it, and to be honest I'd never maximize anything with the size of modern displays anyway, it was just a habit from the 1024x768 days.
You must not get emails with 1000 x 1000 images in them. :) I've got an email maximized on my 20" widescreen right now so I can read it. Maximize isn't the end all tool, but I still routinely use it with a 20" and 17" dual-monitor setup on a Windows system.

McDughf said:
One Thing About The Apple OS's Are That They Are Much Like The Old Computer Games Of The 90's; There Are Many Hidden "Cheats", Keyboard Shortcuts Etc - Some Are Documented, Some Are Passed On And Some You Just Find Yourself.
Why are you writing in Title Caps? It's very hard to read.
 
It seems like there are a few things Windows simply does better and Apple knows it and won't change them in OS X for pride alone. This is my opinion.

*I wouldn't mind a right-click "Cut" option, in addition to "Copy" (and CMD+X) to move files without having to open two windows.

*This has been covered, but I prefer the maximize / minimize window buttons in Windows. I would like the green plus to just be 'Fit to window'. I know you can set this to be full size, but it takes an extra step. The notion that anyone needs to toggle between two 'custom' sizes is retarded. One either needs a window to fill the screen or be a smaller, custom shape.

*A better mouse driver -- Windows is much smoother, especially with optical mice. I use Steermouse.

*More desktop color choices... are you kidding me, only ten colors?

That said, I love my Mac.
 
It seems like there are a few things Windows simply does better and Apple knows it and won't change them in OS X for pride alone. This is my opinion.

*I wouldn't mind a right-click "Cut" option, in addition to "Copy" (and CMD+X) to move files without having to open two windows.

*This has been covered, but I prefer the maximize / minimize window buttons in Windows. I would like the green plus to just be 'Fit to window'. I know you can set this to be full size, but it takes an extra step. The notion that anyone needs to toggle between two 'custom' sizes is retarded. One either needs a window to fill the screen or be a smaller, custom shape.

*A better mouse driver -- Windows is much smoother, especially with optical mice. I use Steermouse.

*More desktop color choices... are you kidding me, only ten colors?

That said, I love my Mac.

2nd is never going to happen I think.. :p

4th : It is so easy to make a simple image in gimp/acorn/skitch/etc.. That it's not really necessary..
 
It may not be obvious to many but all you have to do is click the little horizontal bubble at top to the right on any Finder window and it will hide/expose the sidebar. Now you can drag your .DMG's right to the sidebar.

Yeah... I have to admit, I keep forgetting about the lozenge button. It even works in Firefox (to hide the toolbars). I really must get into the habit of using the little extras like that (and the ever valuable Services menu) one of these days.

You must not get emails with 1000 x 1000 images in them. :) I've got an email maximized on my 20" widescreen right now so I can read it. Maximize isn't the end all tool, but I still routinely use it with a 20" and 17" dual-monitor setup on a Windows system.

Mm. I don't, but yeah it comes in handy when big images are being posted in a message board thread etc. I guess the point is that maximise isn't used often enough nowadays for it to be fussed over, IMO. Though it'd be nice as an alt-click option or something.
 
1.) Upgradability - Absolutely disgusting. Customers shouldn't have to buy a $4,000 computer to have the ability to upgrade key components.

2.) Cutting edge - Why are video cards for Macs two years behind?
 
1.) Upgradability - Absolutely disgusting. Customers shouldn't have to buy a $4,000 computer to have the ability to upgrade key components.

2.) Cutting edge - Why are video cards for Macs two years behind?

hmm yeah so the 8800GT in the Mac Pro and the 8800GS in the iMac are more than two years old?

youre a newbie… why must you come here and post two incorrect facts that you hate about Macs without researching first? Macs are not as expensive as they seem a similarly specced Dell workstation with TWO Xeon processors is the same price maybe more than a Mac Pro, iMacs are very afforadable for their specs and always out perform similar all-in-ones and the MacBooks are less expensive than similarly specced Dells or Alienwares.
 
It's an exaggeration. My point being, any $100 PC is upgradeable.

Haha, he's actually comparing a Mac Pro to a 100$ PC :rolleyes:

Tell me, are you ready to pay the retail price for 2 Xeon CPUs when time comes to upgrade, even if new Xeons would be pin-compatible with current motherboards? It would cost more than getting a new Mac Pro that would still be faster. Upgrading is so 90's...
 
hmm yeah so the 8800GT in the Mac Pro and the 8800GS in the iMac are more than two years old?

youre a newbie… why must you come here and post two incorrect facts that you hate about Macs without researching first? Macs are not as expensive as they seem a similarly specced Dell workstation with TWO Xeon processors is the same price maybe more than a Mac Pro, iMacs are very afforadable for their specs and always out perform similar all-in-ones and the MacBooks are less expensive than similarly specced Dells or Alienwares.

Maybe sarcasm is hard to render on a messageboard, but just finally introducing 8 series technology into the iMac and MBP's after they've been out since early 2007, certainly is nothing to write home about.

I ditched my PC over a year ago and have been running on an iMac (white) since. I have no intention of switching back, but I was merely pointing out key flaws that bother me with Apple. Instead of trying to insult me (an ad hominem logical fallacy), why not provide a reasonable refutation to my claims? Better yet, why don't you help me find a tutorial on how to install a new Core 2 Duo processor into my iMac so I can run FCS2 more smoothly?

The point is, it's impossible. Hence my reason for dissatisfaction towards the "upgradability" subject.
 
It's an exaggeration. My point being, any $100 PC is upgradeable.

like this one? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html

… why not provide a reasonable refutation to my claims? Better yet, why don't you help me find a tutorial on how to install a new Core 2 Duo processor into my iMac so I can run FCS2 more smoothly?

The point is, it's impossible. Hence my reason for dissatisfaction towards the "upgradability" subject.

well the only Mac thats upgradable is the Mac Pro. if you had CPU upgradability in mind maybe you should have bought one. theyre not too expensive as HLdan pointed out in his previous post. even with a Mac Pro youre probably never going to upgrade the CPUs as the quad core Xeons are beasts and will last a user for many years to come until its time to buy a new computer.
 
Haha, he's actually comparing a Mac Pro to a 100$ PC :rolleyes:

Tell me, are you ready to pay the retail price for 2 Xeon CPUs when time comes to upgrade, even if new Xeons would be pin-compatible with current motherboards? It would cost more than getting a new Mac Pro that would still be faster. Upgrading is so 90's...

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

Yes, twist my position so that it's easier for you to attack. I was merely stating that if a $100 PC is upgradeable, a $2000+ iMac should have that feature as well.
 
like this one? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html



well the only Mac thats upgradable is the Mac Pro. if you had CPU upgradability in mind maybe you should have bought one. theyre not too expensive as HLdan pointed out in his previous post. even with a Mac Pro youre probably never going to upgrade the CPUs as the quad core Xeons are beasts and will last a user for many years to come until its time to buy a new computer.

You're right, I should have bought a Mac Pro, I just didn't research Mac's enough before I bought one. I just assumed (my mistake) that I would be able to upgrade one. I learned from this mistake, and will be buying a Mac Pro next. I just wish I could of upgraded my iMac (saved a lot of money) instead of buying a new Mac Pro (leaving my iMac practically useless). Not to mention I need a monitor now, and after using this 24" screen, there's no way I can go any lower.

I've personally never used the Quad Core Xeons, but I've heard they're beasts, I'll took into them. Thanks for the post.
 
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

Yes, twist my position so that it's easier for you to attack. I was merely stating that if a $100 PC is upgradeable, a $2000+ iMac should have that feature as well.

Compare apples to apples. Do you know any all-in-one with similar form-factors as the iMac that is upgradable beyond RAM/HD?
 
We all know that Macs are tonnes better than PCs, but hating things about something is the way they get better. Here are some things that really bug me (and I hoped would not be present in 10.5).

- The low battery warning will pop up six or seven times before the battery dies - and needs to be CLICKED to go each time.

- The green 'plus' button in the top corner of windows is very inconsistent - can't it simply make the window as big as the screen?

- When you shut down a notebook, you can't close the lid or it will go to sleep mid shut down.

- When resizing a finder window, the coverflow gets bigger rather than the list of files getting longer (10.5).

- eBay never works properly with Safari!

- The sleep light cannot be disabled. I like not shutting down my Power Book but, in a dark bedroom, that light gets annoying.


If Macs were perfect, Steve Jobs would have retired, so what annoys you about Apple products? It's just a bit of fun...
I was about to reply and say absolutley nothing, but what you mentioned does bother me... But I don't HATE these problems.
 
I guess the point is that maximise isn't used often enough nowadays for it to be fussed over, IMO. Though it'd be nice as an alt-click option or something.
It would be interesting to know who uses it and who doesn't. I see maximize used routinely at work. I use it constantly. It may be that the programs I use are especialy well suited for full-screen view. Or that if they were re-done the OS X way, I wouldn't need maximize. But for windows, I see it used quite often.

We're seeing this idea reborn in newer Mac writing programs, which have a full-screen mode. Similarly, photographic programs like iPhoto and Aperture have full-screen modes too. These are but extensions of the idea of Maximize, aren't they?

Maximize isn't for everything and everyone, but it's useful tool, as shown by the work habits of both Windows and OS X users.

I think that if the Optimize button were made to worke sensibly, and was paired with a maximize feature (e.g. Cmd-Green = Maximize), it would be a huge boon for Apple users.
 
A Mac bought online gets worse replacement service than one bought in-store.

My iMac has a noisy fan - it's 5 weeks old.

Bought online. Worked fine for one month. Then noisey. Support say take it to the store.

Store say it's too old to be replaced so has to go for repair for 2 weeks.

If I'd bought it in-store, store say they'd have given me a new one.

Last online Apple store purchase ever. What is one to expect for a measly £1500...
And Genius scratched the front taking it out the box, I'm going to have fun refusing to take it back...
 
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