Some buttons have shortcuts - command full stop (period) cancels.
Command-d "Don't save".
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Some buttons have shortcuts - command full stop (period) cancels.
Command-d "Don't save".
Most buttons and options can be used with keyboard shortcuts/combos, but this is the one area where MS Windows really does beat Mac OSX.
In MS Windows keyboard navigation is far simpler, more intuitive, easier to learn and consistent. I simply can't understand why Apple don't take the same approach as MS, I can't believe it's just a cosmetic thing.
I much prefer Mac OS X over Windows, both of which I have to use. I do, of course, have a few niggles with OS X, the one that I think annoys me the most is the way when copy a directory over an existing directory it over-writes the entries directory, instead of merging the two, as Windows does...
What drives me nuts these days - garbled rendering of "complex" PDF files in 10.5.
It wasn't good in 10.4 compared to Win XP.
But now it's completely broken for some files in 10.5.
And it's not some rocket science PDFs, it's stuff you can come around every day, and don't even notice glitches, unless you really pay attention.
It wasn't good in 10.4 compared to Win XP.
But now it's completely broken for some files in 10.5.
And it's not some rocket science PDFs, it's stuff you can come around every day, and don't even notice glitches, unless you really pay attention.
I'm talking about navigating by the keyboard generally, not just short cuts.
But as an example of consistency what's the keyboard shortcut to enter full screen when viewing a movie in DVD Player? and same action in QT?
I can navigate to any menu option I've ever needed to find in MS Windows, whether I knew exactly where it was or not, easier than getting to menu items in OSX when I know where they are. Because MS Windows is quicker and easier to learn how to navigate by keyboard.
Not shortcuts (like Cmd-X to cut) but keyboard navigation in all applications. The keyboard tools to simply navigate dialog boxes in Windows I find better than in OS X. The keyboard navigation tools for working with application menus in Windows seems to be much more robust than in OS X. Keyboarding in Windows Explorer also seems much better in subtle ways than in OS X.
OS X has some great features, like the ability to set custom keyboard shortcuts. And the Expose tools are superb. But the Mac was designed expecting the user to use the mouse and not the keyboard some activities, and it shows. Windows was built, I think, not assuming a user would have a mouse, and this shows.
Maybe this will answer your question. The main reason I dumped that awful Windows years ago is for the same reason Windows sux today, the Registry. After all of the copying that MS did from the Mac OS why did they not copy the simple way the Mac OS handles programs. With the Mac OS all programs reside in a self-contained folder requiring no retarded Registry like Windows. The Registry is a complete mess and requires too much maintenance and despair for the user.
Now, why after all these years and versions of Windows hasn't MS gotten rid of the Registry rather than just pretty up the OS like in Vista? Answer, because they feel the Registry works and there's no need to copy Apple's way of handling programs.
For Apple it's the same thing, maybe some people feel there are things that Windows does better but that doesn't mean that Apple should give in and change the OS, they feel the Mac OS has it's own way of doing things and there's no reason to try and copy the Windows way, thankfully. If it's a problem for you, then you should be running Windows and not the Mac OS.
The Thread is called "Things you HATE about Macs" Anyways I can agree with some of the short cuts, I wish it had better consistency. I realize it was designed for the mouse but it can be so much faster with the keyboard.
This is more of a Leopard Gripe than anything but I wish it worked with CS3 better now I know it works decent but you always run into some little issue and it can be so annoying.
I also hate the fact that once a new operating system comes out any new computer cannot run the old one.
The big difference as I see it is that your example talks of the inner workings of the OS that 99% of user likely are never aware of or care about. Navigation of the UI is fundamental to how I use the computer, not how the OS works.
I don't have a great knowledge of programming etc., but I'm guessing that adding a simple system of navigation akin to MS Windows Alt & underscored item would be less of a leap than restructuring how the OS handles program files etc. Apple wouldn't need to even remove the old shortcuts, so legacy issues wouldn't be a problem.
I agr it's their OS and they can, and do, run it their way; but they've made their reputation on simple computing for 'the rest of us', and then ignore that MS Windows keyboard menu navigation is beating them at their own game, being simpler and easier to 'master'.
So update your DVD Player........
Are you saying that they've changed the Keyboard Shortcut in the version for Leopard? Way to go to prove how consistent they are...
If they have, and I'd appreciate confirmation they have, have they just done it for DVD Player, or have they actually changed the inconsistent shortcuts across other programs too? Hasn't that caused the people who've become accustomed to the old ones some problems?
Are you saying that they've changed the Keyboard Shortcut in the version for Leopard? Way to go to prove how consistent they are...
If they have, and I'd appreciate confirmation they have, have they just done it for DVD Player, or have they actually changed the inconsistent shortcuts across other programs too? Hasn't that caused the people who've become accustomed to the old ones some problems?
Every video-playback app I have uses cmd-F shortcut for full-screen mode.
Leopard DVD Player is much better than older versions and its not just full-screen shortcut.
Good, so Apple have conceded that in the past they were inconsistent and have addressed the issue.
It must be annoying for those upgrading to have to re-learn the shortcuts though.
Tell me, have they changed the full screen shortcut in iChat for Leopard too, or is that still different again?
Sorry, I can't tell.. I don't use iChat.
Anybody else with Leopard running able to confirm?
I realize my example seemed a bit hazy because just when I thought you understood it you didn't but your last sentence just proved my point. You say that MS Windows shortcuts are beating Apple at their own game? Then how come many on this forum are newbies that jumped the Windows bandwagon and switched to the Mac? If Apple's way of doing things was being beaten by Microsoft Mac sales wouldn't be as successful as they have been. That was my point, companies like Apple and MS feel that their way of doing things works and it shows by the amount of customers that buy their product.
I'm not saying that the Mac OS has no room for improvement because it does but don't expect the improvements to come from implementing features from Windows, personally I don't see that as an improvement.
That's your own fault. If you call the band a consistent name, it would look perfect.
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Also, I don't know if it's been said, but the cure for a disc stuck in the drive is to reboot with the mouse button held down. I believe it works on all recent Macs. I know it works on my PowerBook and iMac.
It sucks that it can't be forced out without a reboot, but this should work for a disc that's not physically stucki.e. jammedin the drive.
It sucks that it can't be forced out without a reboot, but this should work for a disc that's not physically stucki.e. jammedin the drive.
Errr, I don't understand?, I think it's you that doesn't understand.
If you gauge which OS is better based on sales success then I think you'll find MS Windows is by far the better selling OS, ~91% to 8%; do you believe that that makes MS Windows more then 10x better than MacOS? I don't.
Do you believe that people buy into MacOS for their way of keyboard navigation? I don't, I think some people stick with MacOS for other features that MacOS does better than MS Windows and which, to them, are more important, despite MacOS's poor keyboard navigation compared to MS Windows.
And yes MacOS does have room for improvement, as does MS Windows, but to say that taking features from MS Windows (or any other OS) would not be an improvement, even when those features are better than the present comparable feature in MacOS, is just making you sound like a close-minded Apple zealot.
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