Things you HATE about Macs...

[zync]

The "Maximised window" view in Photoshop is better on Windows: the title bar of the application includes the filename AND the current zoom. This is vital when sharpening for print - Mac only displays the zoom in normal window view when your eye is distracted from the image by all the clutter of the desktop.

Finally, Photoshop CS4 is 64bit on Windows, and 32bit on .

I didn't know that difference existed between Photoshop on Windows and Mac, but that small frustration is worth me not ever having to restart photoshop after it crashes on all of the Windows PCs I've used at home and work.

Having a 64bit version is nice, but even Scott Hansen—of iso50.com fame—who uses Photoshop probably more than anyone, has admitted that it's not really noticeably faster, although it might be if you're working on small to medium files.

http://blog.iso50.com/2008/09/24/cs4-gets-official/

 

[Eric5h5]

there are NEVER enough USB sockets. How am I supposed to plug 2 printers, scanner, monitor, calibrator, joystick, mouse, keyboard, tablet and external HDD into 3 (THREE!) sockets?

Get a USB hub? That's why they exist...no computer maker should go through the expense of adding 10 USB ports for the small minority of people who actually need that many.

Resizing a window - if I want to expand the top left corner to the top left of the screen then I just drag the top left of the window. (two seperate drags on Mac).

How often do you resize windows? I find this is a complete non-issue as I hardly ever have the need to resize windows in the first place. Usually just once per app to get the size I want, and afterwards it stays like that from then on. With Exposé, Spaces and so on, there's virtually always a better/faster way to manage your desktop besides fiddling with window size.

keyboard shortcuts - there seem to be lots of things there aren't shortcuts for on the Mac - especially the menu commands.

If there isn't a shortcut you want, add one. Any menu item in any app can be made into a keyboard shortcut; just go into the keyboard preferences. You never, ever have to worry about the app designer and you having different opinions as to which items are shortcut-worthy.

--Eric

 

[Monsters]

Get a USB hub? That's why they exist...no computer maker should go through the expense of adding 10 USB ports for the small minority of people who actually need that many.
--Eric

I now have three USB hubs set up, after much juggling of devices between them to allocate power approprately (I wanted to avoid having to power any of them separately, for environmental as well as clutter reasons). It just seems a bit miserly that Apple have cut costs on their high-end machines when my sort of setup must be reasonably typical.

 

[chaosbunny]

The "Maximised window" view in Photoshop is better on Windows: the title bar of the application includes the filename AND the current zoom. This is vital when sharpening for print - Mac only displays the zoom in normal window view when your eye is distracted from the image by all the clutter of the desktop.

This is a point, it would be really practical sometimes. I don't care about the filename as I know what file I have opened, but the current zoom can be handy. However I don't see how this is required for "sharpening for print"... I can see when I'm on 100% and when I'm not. And I have done litho a couple of times.

Apart from that, I don't have much clutter on my desktop.

I guess for every pro there is a con... I'm really missing expose when I'm (rarely) working with Photoshop on Windows, I often open 20+ images at once and want to compare them side by side etc.

Since 10.5 quicklook is also a killer feature for me, I love the ability to see pictures etc. really large directly in finder without having to open them in a program.

It's a matter of preference I guess what is more important. To each their own.

 

[Monsters]

I didn't know that difference existed between Photoshop on Windows and Mac, but that small frustration is worth me not ever having to restart photoshop after it crashes on all of the Windows PCs I've used at home and work.

Having a 64bit version is nice, but even Scott Hansen—of iso50.com fame—who uses Photoshop probably more than anyone, has admitted that it's not really noticeably faster, although it might be if you're working on small to medium files.

http://blog.iso50.com/2008/09/24/cs4-gets-official/

I find Photoshop one of the most stable Adobe programs on both Mac and Windows - which is just as well becuase there's no file recovery system. I don't think I can recall it EVER crashing (either Mac or Win) since CS3 came out. InDesign however... there's a very good reason the recovery system is so good - you need it often! And in my experience, it's the same on Mac and Windows (although it seems a wee bit more reliable on 64bit Windows).

Re the performance difference between 64bit and 32bit, apparently it's only about 8~12% unless the file size is more than about 3.7GB. John Nack had a lot of information about it not long after Apple decided not to move Carbon to 64bit late last year.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04/photoshop_lr_64.html
The speed difference is not huge, and if I already used Mac, I certainly wouldn't switch to Windows. But it is another argument against switching from an OS that I don't love, but that I'm more productive with.

Finally, I've been a bit disillusioned with being unable to get Mac OS to boot off the SAS drive in my MacPro. If it weren't for the fabulous design (apart from the USB ports) and construction of the MacPro, I would have given up and built a hackintosh for when I wanted to dabble in Mac OS.

 

[kidalex]

I'd like full themeing support and more open source support.

You know, like in Linux where you can skin and mod and customize almost anything

 

[zync]

I find Photoshop one of the most stable Adobe programs on both Mac and Windows - which is just as well becuase there's no file recovery system. I don't think I can recall it EVER crashing (either Mac or Win) since CS3 came out. InDesign however... there's a very good reason the recovery system is so good - you need it often! And in my experience, it's the same on Mac and Windows (although it seems a wee bit more reliable on 64bit Windows).

Re the performance difference between 64bit and 32bit, apparently it's only about 8~12% unless the file size is more than about 3.7GB. John Nack had a lot of information about it not long after Apple decided not to move Carbon to 64bit late last year.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04/photoshop_lr_64.html
The speed difference is not huge, and if I already used Mac, I certainly wouldn't switch to Windows. But it is another argument against switching from an OS that I don't love, but that I'm more productive with.

Finally, I've been a bit disillusioned with being unable to get Mac OS to boot off the SAS drive in my MacPro. If it weren't for the fabulous design (apart from the USB ports) and construction of the MacPro, I would have given up and built a hackintosh for when I wanted to dabble in Mac OS.

I read the Nack article before. It was interesting, and disappointing, lol. According to Scott Hansen, it drops off with overly large files too, once you pass the RAM limit. Of course that also has to do with undos, etc. I do agree though, that it would be nice to have a CS4 version. CS5 might be killer on the Mac though because they have to recode a lot of Photoshop to get it to work on Cocoa. Maybe they'll take the time to actually optimize it.

As for crashing, I can't recall a time when it crashed on my Mac. Sometimes it takes a bit to quit for some reason (all Adobe apps seem to exhibit that problem occasionally if left open for a few hours) but I don't recall it ever crashing. At my old job, where I had a machine running XP, it crashed a few times, but one time I lost about an hours worth of work so it really stands out in my mind. I should have saved more often, but CS3 is pretty stable so I got out of the habit. Big mistake! And maybe that's why I think it crashes more often. That one time will annoy me forever.

I agree about the USB ports. I would think 4-5 would be good enough for a Mac Pro though. At least it's easy to hide a hub behind one. And they are really well designed, aren't they? They're such a joy to work on.

 

[craigverse]

Lack of a maximize button... :[

Having to have a hacky bookmark just for fullscreen in safari is lame. Add a forth button!

javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

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Lack of a maximize button... :[

Having to have a hacky bookmark just for fullscreen in safari is lame. Add a forth button!

javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);

if you don't like it go back to windows. Or read the thread and note that your whine has been discussed ad nauseam

 

[queshy]

Everything works well for me

I'd like to see push on the desktop for ical and address book (15 minute updates suck!)

 

[vivegannaidoo]

Mod Note: Enough of the personal insults thanks.

If you see them please use the report post button.

ok then, let's have a helpful question: How do I turn off the mac startup sound when osX boots up? Because its a little irritating even when my line out is plugged in. Any suggestions?

 

[pianojoe]

I like the way the green "zoom/toggle" button behaves, because it does what I want in most cases.

I have a very big screen, and many windows open, and I definitely don't need/want a button to full-size a window, thus covering up much more desktop space than the content acually needs.

 

[TH-Gunner]

if you don't like it go back to windows. Or read the thread and note that your whine has been discussed ad nauseam

Why does it always have to be "go back to windows?" Is it that hard to admit that OSX can possibly be inferior in some ways compared to windows? Zoom sucks compared to the actual maximize. That's just the way it is.

 

[chaosbunny]

Why does it always have to be "go back to windows?" Is it that hard to admit that OSX can possibly be inferior in some ways compared to windows? Zoom sucks compared to the actual maximize. That's just the way it is in my opinion.

Fixed that for you.

Some people prefer it full screen, others (like myself) don't. Is it that hard to accept?

Yes maybe they could make a 4th button, that would make the complainers happy and people who don't like it simply wouldn't use it.

 

[TH-Gunner]

Fixed that for you.

Some people prefer it full screen, others (like myself) don't. Is it that hard to accept?

Yes maybe they could make a 4th button, that would make the complainers happy and people who don't like it simply wouldn't use it.

That's true. I guess they're different. But I'm sick of the stupid "then go back to windows" BS. That's the stereotypical mac fanboy/jobletism that makes stupid windows fanboys hate apple products.

 

[mysterytramp]

Lack of a maximize button... :[

Having to have a hacky bookmark just for fullscreen in safari is lame. Add a forth button!

BTW, hold down the shift key and the green max button does what you want ... in Camino.

mt

 

[Beric]

Fixed that for you.

Some people prefer it full screen, others (like myself) don't. Is it that hard to accept?

Yes maybe they could make a 4th button, that would make the complainers happy and people who don't like it simply wouldn't use it.

Why can't Apple just make the green button's functionality customizable? Then everyone would be happy. Put the option in System Preferences > Appearance, and have the box "green button maximizes current window" able to be checked or unchecked.

I personally find the green button worthless. Having never used a PC, I desire a "full-screen" green button myself.

 

[cliveports]

ok then, let's have a helpful question: How do I turn off the mac startup sound when osX boots up? Because its a little irritating even when my line out is plugged in. Any suggestions?

Use an app called "Startup Sound" you can find it here...

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/index.en.html

 

[bananabar]

ok then, let's have a helpful question: How do I turn off the mac startup sound when osX boots up? Because its a little irritating even when my line out is plugged in. Any suggestions?

I HATE that noise! Really annoying! I use 'Psst!' which works perfectly for me.

 

[dal20402]

Zoom sucks compared to the actual maximize. That's just the way it is.

Maybe you think so. I don't.

Zoom isn't implemented all that well, but the idea is terrific: Make the window as big as it needs to be to show as much of the window content as possible.

I've never understood maximize. Why would I want to have my window size be dictated by the screen boundaries, when the size of my content usually has nothing to do with the screen boundaries? For instance... maximize leads to a whole bunch of wasted space on either side of a Word document, or on the right of a webpage. In effect, you're replacing my nice desktop color with ugly gray or white, and unnecessarily obscuring other windows.

I use heavily administered Windows at work, and the single thing that drives me the craziest is that our admin has set many apps (including Word and Excel) to auto-maximize on startup and has prevented us from turning the feature off.

The only time I actually want a full-screen window is if the content inside is bigger than my screen. At 1920x1200, that rarely happens.

 

[bananabar]

I've been reading back through this rather gigantic thread and there's a real 50/50 split on what the green button should do. So shouldn't Apple at least offer the user the option to have it maximise the window to the size of the screen or to the... do whatever the hell it does at the moment?

 

[zync]

Use an app called "Startup Sound" you can find it here...

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/index.en.html

Or you could simply turn the sound off before you shut down the computer. If it's off when you shut it down, it'll be off when it boots.

 

[cliveports]

Beric and bananabar have hit the point spot on. There's no right or wrong in the way different people want the green button to behave, the fact so many people comment on it means that Apple should be taking notice, I use Logic Pro 8 and the green button on that maximises the window and personally I like that, but that's what I'm used to after being a Windows user for so long, but I know others are different, neither of each 'camp' is right or wrong, just different . The point Beric and bananabar both made is the most sensible and pragmatic; why not set it as a preference, clearly its a 'big deal' for a lot of people and far more important than some of the other more trivial options Apple allow us to change, this is a significant GUI issue. C'mon Apple; put it as a switchable option in Snow Leopard!

 

[125037]

as far as i know, you cant "cut" a group of files, you can only "copy" them then delete the set you dont want.

 

[TheReef]

Right now I'm "hating" the inability to put a second graphics card in my G5 without loosing Quartz, so much for "upgradability".