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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

  • Total voters
    1,333
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i'll partially agree. launching apps is a little more convenient, pressing return and not command-return. i also like that it does arithmetic and dictionary definitions. but i hate how it doesn't search everywhere (like the system folder), and the search results window is a definite downgrade from tiger.

the definitions feature is sweet, but the thing that kills me is the search result window!
 
I miss the pulsing sleep light...

it's not on my new iMac.

It makes it hard to tell whether the computer is off or just sleeping.

Also, it very much irritates me that the bong it makes on start up is at maximum volume regardless of what the volume was when I shut it off. I ended up waking the whole house up one day turning my computer on early in the morning to check for cancelations from snow. I found and installed something that muted my start up bong sound... but still, I would rather I didn't have to install anything (particularly in system preferences where for all I know it's going to break my computer,) and Apple just offered an option to turn down the volume on it somewhere.

And I have to say I also don't like the way the plus button works... on my 24" screen it looks too tall and skinny... maybe if it preserved the ratio of the window that would be nice?

First of all, why do even shut the computer down? Why not just use sleep?

Secondly, before shutting down a Mac mute the volume. This makes it boot without startup sound.
 
Mac OS X: No proper scaling for enlarged cursors. They look terrible at enlarged sizes. Even Windows and Linux have bigger size cursors that are not pixelated.

Mac hardware: No consumer desktop available. (iMac does not count)
 
In 10.5 why can I no longer highlight a file in finder and hit return to open it? Instead return allows me to change the name. How pointless.

It seems that the only way to open the file is to find the cursor and click on it. The fact that Mac OS is keyboard-heavy is something I love, but that little thing really bugs me.
 
In 10.5 why can I no longer highlight a file in finder and hit return to open it? Instead return allows me to change the name. How pointless.

It seems that the only way to open the file is to find the cursor and click on it. The fact that Mac OS is keyboard-heavy is something I love, but that little thing really bugs me.

IIRC in all Mac OSes hitting return key was for changing the file's name. Cmd-O for opening it.
 
In 10.5 why can I no longer highlight a file in finder and hit return to open it? Instead return allows me to change the name. How pointless.

It seems that the only way to open the file is to find the cursor and click on it. The fact that Mac OS is keyboard-heavy is something I love, but that little thing really bugs me.

try cmd-o or cmd-down arrow to open.
 
[In Tiger at least]

No 'send all except front Window to back'.
Lack of old System 9 tabbed Windows.
Apple Menu lack of customisation
Close all but front window (I use Quicksilver for that)
Spotlight unreliability and terrible interface. I know use Terminal and Grep to find files.
Spotlight. (Deserves 2 entries)
QuickTime doesn't work on some things it should work on.
No Window Shade built in.
Can't define which files to preview and which not to.
Right click and 'Open with...' takes an age to appear and then gives 5 of each app. Reset techniques don't seem to work.

All niggles to be honest except Spotlight.
 
Call me old fashioned, but there are a couple of things that I think disappeared sometime around System 7 that I've never got used to being without:

1. Put away. You used to be able to drag a file to the desktop and then Command Y would send it back to its original folder.

2. When you saved a file from within an app and the Finder window opens, you used to be able to click a window that was already open and the Save window would switch to that one. Now you have to navigate to where you want to save to.

But the thing that has bugged me recently is the lack of documentation. I can't understand how Apple can release a new product (Leopard) and provide so little that details the way that it works. The Help menus are largely useless except for general overviews (and they're occasionally also wrong) and I noticed that so many of the things that people were complaining about in these forums when Leopard came out were a result of not knowing the detail of how things worked. Example: opening a search window in the Finder and then pressing the option key to add and different kind of find parameters. Can't find this documented anywhere. Yes I know that Spotlight has its problems, but lots of the smarter things in the OS are well and truly hidden.
 
The thing I dislike about Macs most? The rabid zealots that give everybody else a bad name. A lot of people think all mac users are prats because of this lot.

That aside, I wish the QC was better
 
joefinan said:
I hate - with a PASSION - the keyboards on the new Macbooks. It makes them look like an old 80's ZX Spectrum.

My PowerBook G4 is on its last legs and I have the money waiting to buy the new MacBook Pro in January (if there is one) - but if it has that crappy keyboard I don't know what I'll do. If I'm spending £1500 on a computer, I don't want it to look like a cheap piece of crap.
I find keyboards to be personal preference really. You can't please everyone with one single type of keyboard.
Generally I'm not really fond of laptop keyboards in general (not the design, but the responsiveness), as the feedback is just terrible, or in fact almost non existant.
Last time I typed on a SR MBP I had exactly that feeling. I really like the MBP keyboard's design, but feedback wise I can't stand it, and would rather go with the MB keyboard.
So if they can nail a combination of that on a new MBP design, I'd be sold ;)

Apart from that, things I dislike about Macs:
- the extreme fanboy-ism
- the lack of a mid-range consumer desktop (other than the iMac) - which will probably never come true anyway
- the lack of a propper uninstaller - Windows also isn't much better on this and I know there's always AppZapper (and similar third party shareware), but this is hardly an excuse for either to just be messy when uninstalling applications.

To everyone complaining about the lack of "cutting" files in Finder:
I haven't tried this (so it might not work), I'm a recent switcher, and I just love my keyboard shortcuts, so maybe I'm just thinking "too different", but what's wrong with command-x? That's what I'd use in any other Window Manager (so Linux as well as Unix, BeOS and Windows) to cut files, then navigate to the folder where I want to paste them to, and just hit command-v.
Am I missing something, or does everybody just want to do everything with his/her hands off the keyboard? :rolleyes:
 
- Elusive keyboard shortcuts. The Windows shortcuts just seem more transparent. You don't have to learn them like in OS X.

- Mighty Mouse. Terrible. I tried, I really did! But in the end I've just gone back to my Microsoft mouse.

- Minimizing. I can't really figure out how this is supposed to work. Generally speaking the hide (cmd-H) function is much more useful, yet the minimize function gets its own button. Also, once minimized, there's no easy way to get to the that window using the keyboard. Unless you shortcut to the dock and then arrow accross. Why can't you just cmd-tab to the app? Or would that mean it just ovelaps with the Hide function. In any case it seems a bit of a cludge.

- Flash support is sloow.
 
i don't like how Mail was butchered (new tool bar and no more drawer) when the tiger upgrade hit.

can only drag from lower corner? wtf is that?



other than those, there's more things i hate about apple, than i hate about their computers.
 
You've never been able to do that!

he probably meant he used to be able do that in windows.

My problems with OSX are

1. shortcuts isn't convenient. especially, in my case, in M$ office suite and firefox.
2. trash restore is impossible to use practically
3. each patch makes the system slower
4. apple's QC is horrible, I had 2 sent-in for repair for 3 problem of my MB in one year(changed screen, mainboard, case), and now Im out of warranty, the same old problem is coming back again (flickering screen). Apple, for the price, your QC is much worse than any pcs I owned. like I said. Apple should provide 3 years warranty for the price of 1.
5. unable to use the printer I own, HP LJ1020. I suspect its better in leopard since apple bought CUPS from linux.
 
Um...

the windows that aren't the front one are already in the back, aren't they?

Or am I misunderstanding this?

Not necessarily. Try this.

In the Finder, have 2 windows opened, and 2 windows visible in Safari behind them. Click on one of the Safari windows. It will come in front of the 2 finder Windows but the other Safari Window with be behind the Finder windows. Top to bottom:

Safari
Finder
Finder
Safari

I want to be able to send Windows right to the back - i.e. behind other apps, except for the front most Window. For example, if I have

Mail composing window
Mail viewer window
Finder
Finder

I often want to send the viewer window behind the finder. In other words, 'bring to front' in reverse (except for the focus Window of course). I don't know it could be called 'send others to back'.

I often have lots of Windows open - sometimes dozens in BBEdit alone.
 
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