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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

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Agreed. Also, I will probably never understand why anyone would want the maximize button to make a window full screen regardless of the contents of said window. The reason for making a window larger is to allow all the content it contains to be displayed at once without scrolling, and that's exactly what the zoom button in OS X accomplishes. It scales the window to fit the content.

Whaaat? Just try and see what happens when you maximize the Safari window displaying this thread (and by "maximize" I mean the size the darn window manually so that it covers the entire screen). And what do you get? You get more info displayed on the screen, hence even less need to scroll. Right! My point exactly.

Apple engineers (and Mac fanatics) are so hard-headed about this issue that it's not even funny. Pooh.
 
Whaaat? Just try and see what happens when you maximize the Safari window displaying this thread (and by "maximize" I mean the size the darn window manually so that it covers the entire screen). And what do you get? You get more info displayed on the screen, hence even less need to scroll. Right! My point exactly.


Notice how harder things get to read when the line length is increased? Design and typography 101.
 
I agree - the green button is fairly pointless.

No, it is not. The green button has its purpose. You'll find that it will do different things when different when different things are in your window. It's a lot more capable than people give it credit for.

As is the Hide function - who exactly are we hiding windows from?

Since the "hide" button has it's history prior to Exposé or Spaces, I can see when it might have been useful once in a long while ago.
 
Notice how harder things get to read when the line length is increased? Design and typography 101.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't bother me at all. I just follow the line from left to right with my eyes. I can understand that would be a bit of a pain for a short sighted person sitting 6" away from a 30" monitor, though (what with them having to actually move their whole head to get from the start to the the end of a line) :rolleyes:
 
I'm sorry, but that doesn't bother me at all. I just follow the line from left to right with my eyes. I can understand that would be a bit of a pain for a short sighted person sitting 6" away from a 30" monitor, though (what with them having to actually move their whole head to get from the start to the the end of a line) :rolleyes:


Why do you think newspapers and magazines are laid out in columns rather than the type stretching from edge to edge? Trust me on this.
 
More like a "why not question

I'm wondering why Apple still hasn't added LightScribe drives and built-in Mac OS X support for it (burn CD artwork from iTunes, etc).
 
So that people can read in tight quarters, e.g., while squeezed between two other people on a subway train. :)


Er... full marks for originality. :D

I should have said readability, a different thing. Some links.

http://webstyleguide.com/type/lines.html


"A long line causes doubling (rereading the same line) because the reader has trouble finding the start of the next line. A shorter line constantly sends the reader back to the left edge after only a few words, so a comfortable rhythm is never established" (46). Humanfactors.com compiled data from several studies and reported "users preferred" a four-inch line length. While users read faster at a longer line length, the "users tend to prefer four to five-inch-wide lines" (UI Design).

http://www.msu.edu/~webbsuza/atw/ezine/index.html
 
- Horrible hardware support. Practically nothing "just works". Why the hell cant they officially support a method to use PC hardware? Its certainly possible. Driver support would skyrocket since then hardware makers wont have to make a special more expensive EFI version.

- Sorting by "kind" just sorts each file type alphabetically instead of by relevance. Folders and apps need to be at the top. Period. Thank god there is a way to fix this by editing a plist.

- For gods sake remember folder views. I like some folders to have a list and some to have icons. Why the hell do all of them have to be the same?

- The right-click menu sucks in Safari compared to the right-click menu in Windows with IE. Why the hell do they change COMPLETELY based on what I have highlighted? Where is my "image properties" option? GAH
 
I do most of my train reading on a PDA (barely 2" line length). It's such a relief to come home and have the lines fill the width of my 24" LCD screen :D

Any line over about fifteen words in length begins to make reading slower. Regardless of whether or not it's technically readable, it's definitely slower and counterproductive. As BV said, it's design 101.
 
1) Safari 3 getting stuck on webpages (2wire router) and me having to reboot to access that page again.

2) All the things about Leopard that have been discussed a million times (mainly visual things)

3) Apple's lack of attention towards needed updates and quality issues with their computer division (and software too)

Ok that's enough complaining now..back to checking my stock price (which I hate today especially)
 
Actually, I use the hide function everyday. I open up itunes, start some music and hide it while I do other things.

I send iTunes to the Space #2 instead of hiding it now :D

- For gods sake remember folder views. I like some folders to have a list and some to have icons. Why the hell do all of them have to be the same?

Open a window. Select the view you like. Press Cmd-J. See the first thing on the list. (Leopard-only)

I prefer the Tiger way of doing this though... (it auto remembers the view for each window)
 
Hated Mac Sound Effect

I hate - no exaggeration, no hyperbole - hate the sound effect that occurs after you copy a file from one volume to another. It is strident and course and metallic and evil. What ever third rate audio engineer submitted that to the User Interface team, should be given an all expense paid permanent vacation to Redmond Washington. I was literally saddened to discover its still present in Leopard.
 
Not necessarily. Try this.

In the Finder, have 2 windows opened, and 2 windows visible in Safari behind them. Click on one of the Safari windows. It will come in front of the 2 finder Windows but the other Safari Window with be behind the Finder windows. Top to bottom:

Safari
Finder
Finder
Safari

I want to be able to send Windows right to the back - i.e. behind other apps, except for the front most Window. For example, if I have

Mail composing window
Mail viewer window
Finder
Finder

I often want to send the viewer window behind the finder. In other words, 'bring to front' in reverse (except for the focus Window of course). I don't know it could be called 'send others to back'.

I often have lots of Windows open - sometimes dozens in BBEdit alone.

Nit picking, but I can understand. Spaces works, as does the Expose features that allows you to switch to an App and all of it's running windows. That issue boils down to the users ability to fully understand the OS that they are working on.

I have done this on many Windows machines, hence the reason I would now consider getting one of the specialty PCs.

Apple engineers (and Mac fanatics) are so hard-headed about this issue that it's not even funny. Pooh.

I can agree, but compared to the things Windows engineers and Linux programers have wrong I can live without big Safari windows on my $1800 30" display.

Notice how harder things get to read when the line length is increased? Design and typography 101.

Blue, don't try it, knowledge doesn't work against a lot of users.

Why do you think newspapers and magazines are laid out in columns rather than the type stretching from edge to edge? Trust me on this.

Don't try it man, or you will get this: (look at quote below)

I do most of my train reading on a PDA (barely 2" line length). It's such a relief to come home and have the lines fill the width of my 24" LCD screen :D

I see why you will need to Akadmon, your eyesight is going bad.
 
Things I hate about the Mac - a new one to add..

build quality of the Macbook. Just had an inch and a half of the top, front of my macbook palmrest snap off. I had a Dell Inspiron that I used and really did abuse for 18 months and nothing SNAPPED OFF. This Macbook, I've been astonishingly gentle with it - treated it like the expensive laptop that it is - well. And it's got lifting palmrest with a crack on the front left, and now a missing piece front right.

TOP BUILD QUALITY :mad: You could pick up a PC laptop of this spec for half the price, and things wouldn't fall off.

Doug
 
Just to reiterate how much I hate the fact that you can't shut the lid of a notebook without it going to sleep:

I started downloading the security update yesterday and then carried on writing an email - and forgot the update was downloading. I shut the lid and when I reopened it a couple of hours later (having left the house and no longer having any wifi) realised the update had stopped downloading halfway through.

Why can't I shut the lid, the computer carries on doing what I've asked it to do and THEN goes to sleep??

At the very least I should have the option (like I did on my old PC) - "When I shut the lid: Shut down; sleep; complete tasks then sleep; do nothing"
 
Just to reiterate how much I hate the fact that you can't shut the lid of a notebook without it going to sleep:

I started downloading the security update yesterday and then carried on writing an email - and forgot the update was downloading.

Why can't I shut the lid, the computer carries on doing what I've asked it to do and THEN goes to sleep??

Sounds like user error, but I get your point. I don't think it should have an option, just don't close the machine, or do an update when you are at home or have time to install it. If Apple solved all of our problems they would have to make an individual machine for each of us.

I am still waiting for a real PRO machine.

Consumers whine a WHOLE lot.
 
Ok, a lot of things tick me off, but at the moment I'll stick with Finder. Leopards made things a bit better, but Finders still has vast room for improvement. Coverflow probably makes finder prettier, but what I want is speed and functionality.

I agree with the cut>paste of files. Every other OS has it, and it seems pretty logical that if I can copy and paste a file, I should be able to cut and paste a file.

When you resize a finder window in coverflow mode the list section should expand, not the coverflow area. Coverflow is pretty, but not quickest way to navigate or view lots of content. In fact, vertically resizing the window means I get bigger coverflow icons, but less coverflow items.. Which means now that I've expanded the area I can see less content, which is counter-intuitive

If I click and hold the back/forward buttons in the finder I should get a history like Safari, so I can navigate back/forwards quickly.

Navigating to a parent folder in List, icon and coverflow view is annoying. You can use the shortcut Command-Up, Control-click the icon in the title, add the optional path button to the toolbar, or turn the path-bar on. That's a lot of different methods to achieve the same result, but all of them require more work when they should. (and the latter aren't enabled by default). Safari has snap-back, so finder should have a simpler one-click method to get to an enclosing folder.

Speaking of shortcuts. If Command-Up is "go to enclosing folder", shouldn't Command-left and Command-right be back/forward, not Command-] and Command-]. I know those shortcuts currently expand/contract folders in List view, but that means that a logical group of shorcuts only functions in one view mode.

Thank jebus for the path bar in leopard.. It makes getting around a bit easier.
However I think the Path Bar should be at the top of the window, not the bottom, as it makes more sense when thinking about a hierarchy. Also path items should be spring loaded so If I drag a file over them they open up like any other folder item.

"Enter" should open a folder, I usually navigate by typing the first few letters of each folder name. Having to hit Command-O slows me down. Enter, seems more logical. Which do you do more, enter a folder, or rename files? Even better would be if the path bar had terminal style "tab" auto-completion.

Finder also behaves incosistently. (IMHO) Example: drag a file and hover over another folder. In Icon and column view it expands that folder, in list and coverflow view it opens a new finder window. Command-clicking the finder title, and the path button seem to do the same thing, so why does one use the current window, and the other open a new window.
 
I really have the Mighty Mouse, that really is a present for Oscar....

IMHO the MM is rubbish, I've gone through 4 replacements ALL with the same issue with the stupid scroller ball. I've ended up buying Razer Diamondback which beats the MM in every respect.
 
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