Apple will scapegoat the 0.01% of Pros who actually use these relic ports like HDMI on a regular basis. What a complete joke but also travesty to backwardize a product like the MBP. The new MBP is hands down UGLY, THICK, CLUNKY AND HEAVY irrespective of those ancient relic useless ports. I see why they didn’t give us the latest gen ports like HDMI 2.1, it’s because these ports are intended to be relics incorporated into a backwardized design to humiliate and punish the 0.01% Pros who complained like children over dongles.
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Who are these Pros that demand ANCIENT, RELIC ports???? Do they really believe HDMI 2.0 and its relic technology is more useful than versatile USBC/T4 ports????? Madness! If not for these children who cry and moan for a living, we could have had something more thinner/lighter with 4 proper USBC/T4 ports. The usual YouTube Apple Shillers are all BS’ing when they say they’re so happy to see the HDMI port back, what a JOKE! When you watch a non-Apple sponsored/paid reviewer, they will blast Apple for bringing back such a useless port for 99% of MBP users.
Blame this minority of MBP users who actually do use HDMI like 5 times a year and who have been complaining and crying for years, for a thicker, heavier, uglier MBP design
Wow, you are good at giving your opinion, but it is just that, your opinion. See:
UGLY: Statement of opinion
THICK: Statement of opinion based on false information
CLUNKY: Statement of opinion
HEAVY: Statement of opinion
Here are some statements of fact:
FAST: compared to previous macbooks
SAVING TIME: compared to previous macbooks
BETTER COOLING: due to bigger internal volume
BETTER BATTERY: due to bigger internal volume
Now you are arguing on matters of opinion all the time, which is irrelevant. Perhaps start arguing on matters of fact and you might look less like a whining little baby and start sounding like an adult!
Thing is, Pro devices are always going to be bigger, thicker, heavier, as they are Pro devices. If someone wants thingner & lighter, that's what the normal MacBooks & MacBook Air are for. Pro's are aimed at professionals, who need portability, to be able to go from office to office, etc, with a lot of power in their device. Some people on this thread seem to think they are the target audience and complain it's too heavy for their lap and state it's a failure in design, but misunderstand who it's for.
Certain people on this thread are in the vocal minority, and are hilariously not self aware.
Yes! You nailed it. And go and read the thread of people who can’t even get the stupid internal SD Card reader to recognize their cards but when they use a USB C to SD Card dongle the cards work perfectly. You cannot make this stuff up.
HDMI: useless and backwards given USB C. SD Card reader: dumpster fire.
’Pro’ is just a marketing name. Yes ‘pros’ - however that is chosen to be interpreted - may have more money and specific needs. But even within ‘pro’ community, I’m sure needs and opinions are also divided, just as for ‘non-pros’.
Personally as a non-pro, I want the power and battery life that ‘pro’ offers. And I am happy that Apple stops focussing on pushing for thinness. But I do not want all the reinstated ports, having got used in the past few years to just working with USB-C.
What I don’t care about is the notch. Yes it would be better not to be there. But when constructively using the MBP it is rarely noticeable.
You’re not going to get away with this. You have just erected a massive strawman. This is overall NOT AN OPINION. This new MacBook Pro (e.g., 16” M1 Max) is actually pushing almost an ENTIRE 1 FULL POUND HEAVIER than the 15” 2016 MacBook Pro, which is essentially a very similar case size. The new MBP is also thicker.
That is a massive jump in weight to the tune of being close to 20% heavier. We are talking about a portable computer and that weight jump is significant. People have to lug these things around on airplanes, trains, their offices, etc.
None of this makes any sense as Apple is supposed to have such powerful and efficient chips with much better thermals. The specs tell and entirely different story than the marketing…
Sorry, you are wrong:
HEAVIER: Statement of fact when compared to older 15" Model
HEAVY: Statement of opinion. You find it heavy
I do not find these machine heavy but I acknowledge that the are heavier than some previous ones. And in my opinion that is not a problem. If you find it a problem then that is your opinion.
See, that is why debating is a skill that needs to be learned!
Still misusing the phrase strawman, I see ? seems I hadn’t missed anything, disappointing, so putting you back on ignore.
You’re obviously not the intended audience for this product, as clearly evidenced by your posts. Ergo, your opinion is of no weight. Sales prove this device is wanted. So much for your Notchophobia implying this device is a failure. You’re a joke. The notch hatred in this thread thread is 90% your posts only, which proves the point.
There were hundreds of posts about HDMI port, etc being removed all over the Internet since they removed them (infinitely more than MacBook notch haters). Apple do need to sort out the issue with the SD port though, as that’s a problem.
You can't really make this claim within the scope of Pro devices themselves... every new gen since the original 15" MBP in 2006 has gotten smaller/lighter than prior, except this one.
I for one like Apple being pragmatic in a way. The 15"/16" since the rMBP has always had an issue with fans/heat and it's nice to see that finally nipped in the bud.
That said, I just took my 14" back after spending time w/ both my work issued 16" i9 and old 2016 13" MBP, the latter of which I was prepping for trade-in credit.
The 14" is a spectacular little machine, but ultimately felt it went backwards a bit ergonomically due to the extra denseness/thickness compared to the two other prior gen machines. It just felt bit heavy relative to the footprint, esp as what I desire for a personal machine is something that feels great in the lap... I just couldn't say it really is an improvement even over my 16" i9, which while heavier also spreads that weight over a larger/thinner footprint. And while technically it is slightly thinner per spec to the 13", it feels much thicker in practice - ie. has much more volume in the lower chassis, probably like 30% or so relative to the footprint. Not a big deal using it in isolation, but spend a few minutes again w/ the last gen 13" and the difference is obvious.
I'll likely pick up the new MBA when that comes out... don't really need something uber powerful, just personal programming project work and otherwise things most people use their computers for. With a thin fanless chassis it may heat soak/throttle from time to time on larger compiles but that's a compromise I'm willing to make. I'm hoping they keep the weight close to current, or at the very least don't exceed 3 lbs. But if they somehow get it down to say 2.5 lbs. that would be amazing.
I'd absolutely choose to upgrade my 16" i9 to the new 16" if my work gave me that option. The perf, battery life, and heat improvements would be super welcomed.
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I used TopNotch and it effectively disappears... of course you have to appreciate the floating white on black menu at all times. Highly recommend giving it a shot, you literally can't tell it's there unless you put your mouse cursor in that region.
Strawman. No, wrong, as my post lays out in
It’s heavy for a laptop in 2021. That is objective. To put that into
perspective, Microsoft’s new 2 in 1 Studio laptop is only 4 lbs. What is also objective about that statement is that Apple’s marketing touts so much power per watt that these laptops should be significantly more powerful than the Intel versions and at the same time be as thin and light or thinner and lighter. But that’s not the case. And that is what makes this even more remarkable.
I am the intended audience. Another one of your strawman’s. An analogy to your strawman is this: a person looking to buy an electric car where Apple makes one. Apple makes a Pro version that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds vs the standard version that does it in 5 seconds. The Pro version costs $100,000 and weighs 1000 pounds more than the standard version. The weight of the vehicle plays a key part in how it handles. The Pro version weighs 6000 pounds.
Just because a company markets something as “Pro” doesn’t mean the person seeking to buy a “Pro” level product isn’t the intended audience when that product fails to meet that person’s requirements and expectations, particularly in the face of other options from the competition that are cheaper and lighter, and just as fast or nearly so.
And your comment about hundreds of posts about the HDMI port being removed is meaningless: that is not direct evidence of the majority of customers and that does not in anyway erase the fact that USB C is better and does effectively everything in one standard, making HDMI obsolete. I can also point out posts of people complaining about other ports removed over time, like Firewire: doesn’t mean a company should go backwards in time especially when it affects case thickness.
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Comparing Apples to Pears now? New Strategy?
That Studio laptop does not compete in the same league. That is a way way way less powerful machine. Compare it to high end gaming laptops, which play in the same league, and you will see that these are more in a similar weight class.
Also, perhaps look up Dunning-Kruger effect...
Btw, thanks all for cancelling your orders. My shipping time just improved 
That Surface Studio laptop is a convertible laptop, and yet weighs only 4 lbs. Also, you claim it’s underpowered. How so? It can house up to 32 GB of RAM, uses 11th gen chips, and has NVIDIA’s 2nd gen RTX graphics chip which on some tests in things like video editing is only bested by the new MBP by about 10%.
Anyway, comparing the 2 laptops isn’t an exact comparison it’s just to point out that something like a convertible with all that functionality is only coming in at 4 pounds. Meanwhile Apple is pushing 5 pounds for a singular function machine. In 2021, this is heavy, especially with all of the technology available. See Samsung’s Blade Bezel.
You are beyond saving. Go and get yourself a nice PC and leave us poor iSheep alone! We prefer bleating in a herd without the bark of a nasty sheep dog!
I'm glad someone's happy about it.Btw, thanks all for cancelling your orders. My shipping time just improved
I had them on my ignore list, and decided to see what they were posting lately in the thread, and it's the same old thing, only says 'Strawman' to me, when all the time previously they had no self awareness that all of their 'evidence' was just strawman as it was either vapourware or taking things out of context, and whenever I called out, with full evidence, they ignored the facts and went 'Strawman!' lol. Thus added back to it, as not worth wasting more time on them.
They have to be a satirical account, cos if genuine, they are a bit beyond mature & sane debate. Also, they claim to be the audience for the Pro, which I call codswallop on. There's significantly more complaints about the ports being taken away than the ports being added back in/notch/slight increase in weight combined, which just shows how out of touch some people are in this thread.
I work in an industry that uses Pro devices a lot and these new ones, the power, and the ports being added back in, has been great. Our company ordered about 50 of the new MacBook Pros, half are replacing the first of the ones that binned off the HDMI port. It would have been better for having 2.1, but still. Our offices are allhot-desking, so having the portability to move desk to desk, with the power of the device is brill.
If I wanted something to use sat on my sofa all day, that's where the MacBook Air comes in. The vast majority of People working in a pro industry do not sit with them on their laps all the time.
You continue to engage in fallacious reasoning and not address the key points of this discussion.
- You do not know what the vast majority of pros want. Period. Therefore, you cannot form an argument from that premise.
- USB C is without question technically superior to legacy ports for the reasons mentioned. This is not a point to argue, but a fact.
- Judicial notice is taken with the fact that people would rather have a lighter laptop vs. a heavier one.
It’s only technically superior if there’s no need for other ports. But there’s a lot of devices and cables in the world that don’t have USB-C on one end, let alone two, which is why 2016-2021 has been dongle-town for so many folks.
USB4 especially is great, has a lot of capability, basically brings Thunderbolt 3 to every USB-C port, but… USB-C as a port is WAY overloaded. There’s a ton of cables with USB-C connectors on one or both ends and it’s a real mystery what’s going on with it. Does it support Thunderbolt 4? Thunderbolt 3? Sure, it supports USB data transfer, but at what speed? Some USB-C cables only support USB2 data speeds. USB PD? What version? Kind of a mess, and just a bigger, messier version of the old Thunderbolt 2 vs Mini-DisplayPort confusion. The best thing about USB-C is it’s reversible. After that… it’s a real hodge-podge.
Not that HDMI is much better in that regard, with its myriad versions of cables supporting varying bandwidths. The truth is basically every connector on modern laptops sucks in one way or another right now.
I think I said this in another thread, but I do think these models will age poorly and history will not be kind to them. The M1 Pro and Max are fantastic of course, but I think these models, being thicker and heavier than their predecessors, will over time be seen as an error of judgement on Apple’s part. Could be wrong, let’s see.