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Thanks for the kind post, seems we have the same tastes an hobby :)

I guess there are two things holding me back from buying the iPhone 4 tomorrow. First, I would like to see the Nexus-S in my hands and play with it for a few minutes, and see if I like it. Second, are these rumors of Verizon getting a iPhone 4.5 next month. Would hate to sign up with ATT, and not even a month later a slightly better iPhone is released on the best network.

How strong are these Verizon rumors, of it being announced at the big trade show in January, and on sale end of Jan ? 99% ? 50% ? Or no way right now ?

I have a lot of faith in these rumors this time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but major news players(Fortune, WSJ) have never "confirmed" a Verizon iPhone until now. Plus I think the biggest sign is that Apple and Verizon have a working business relationship with the iPad now.
 
I have a lot of faith in these rumors this time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but major news players(Fortune, WSJ) have never "confirmed" a Verizon iPhone until now. Plus I think the biggest sign is that Apple and Verizon have a working business relationship with the iPad now.
I hope so. Then we will never have to see another Verizon iPhone rumor and the like again. And I may just switch carriers... ;)
 
I used wifi on and off. If i do a lot of web surfing, my battery of course isnt going to last as long but emails, twitter and stuff like that works just fine using 3G or even EDGE. I am using a custom 2.2 Froyo ROM called Axura 2.1 and there are other tweaks you can use to make the battery even better. I am using the stock Kernal and stock modem...no upgades there to which ive seen some guys post ridiculous battery life numbers.

Here is mine for yesterday and today.

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I admit the screen on the GS phones is very nice. I stood about 10 feet away from a guy standing in line with his Captivate, and I can still see the clarity and vivid colors from that screen. My only qualms with iPhone 4 is ergonomics and screen size. The former is solved using a case, but the latter probably needs a bump in size.

If AT&T is holding you back, then I suggest to wait for the Nexus S on Thursday (16th) and check it out. T-Mobile might have worse coverage than AT&T where I live, but the prices are affordable. If battery life is still an issue, I suggest to google search "Nvidia Tegra 2 battery life." Many phones will be powered by this chip by next year and the Motorola Olympus could be released within a month or two. Tegra is known to be very more power efficient than Snapdragons. Many of the first gen Snapdragons found like on phones like the Nexus One were manufactured at 65nm process which brought in more heat. In comparison, the iPhone 4 was underclocked and had a 45nm process. The next gen Snapdragons will be manufactured at 28nm and consume 78% less power than the current ones! I expect some big things from Android in 2011. Nvidia is going to be a major part of the tablet market which could be carried over onto phones.
 
To me the perfect phone would be this;

- Apple iOS because being stable and solid, and thoroughly tested

- Dual Core, mainly for better battery life, and handling multitasking better.

- On Verizon with 4G LTE = best network

- Slightly larger screen 4", and Super AMOLED

- Add "widgets" and "notifications" to iOS


Thing is, all of the above could be a possibility, with an iPhone5 on Verizon, if not then the Nexus-3.0 due out later 2011, will be the best phone running 3.0 Honeycomb, built by Motorola.
 
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I admit the screen on the GS phones is very nice. I stood about 10 feet away from a guy standing in line with his Captivate, and I can still see the clarity and vivid colors from that screen. My only qualms with iPhone 4 is ergonomics and screen size. The former is solved using a case, but the latter probably needs a bump in size.

If AT&T is holding you back, then I suggest to wait for the Nexus S on Thursday (16th) and check it out. T-Mobile might have worse coverage than AT&T where I live, but the prices are affordable. If battery life is still an issue, I suggest to google search "Nvidia Tegra 2 battery life." Many phones will be powered by this chip by next year and the Motorola Olympus could be released within a month or two. Tegra is known to be very more power efficient than Snapdragons. Many of the first gen Snapdragons found like on phones like the Nexus One were manufactured at 65nm process which brought in more heat. In comparison, the iPhone 4 was underclocked and had a 45nm process. The next gen Snapdragons will be manufactured at 28nm and consume 78% less power than the current ones! I expect some big things from Android in 2011. Nvidia is going to be a major part of the tablet market which could be carried over onto phones.

I agree, nVidia w/ Tegra 2 is going to be amazing for Android. I will wait until after the first ones come out, to be bug tested, and the aOS to really be designed perfectly for them. I am thinking the phones released with 3.0 Honeycomb late Spring / early Summer, are going to be light years ahead of current 2.2 Froyo phones.

Apple really needs to hit a home run with the iPhone5, not just another minor update, they need to shake it up again, like they wow'd all of us with the iPhone1. I think they will.

This Summer, the smart phone market is going to be mind blowing. iPhone5, and new Honeycomb Droids. Either way, us consumers win, will have excellent choices for sure. Now what is Palm and Blackberry up to for 2011 ?
 
I HEAVILY use my iPhone 4 at work. And I can last all day.

I probably surf for a total of 3-4 hours a day, and make 100-200 texts daily. Check my e-mail about a dozen or so times a day.

I don't play many games, but I'm constantly on magazine or website apps such as Cracked.com or Popsci.com

I feel that I almost OVERUSE my phone and I rarely, if ever, go under 10%.
 
So everyone here with an iPhone 4, that actually use it during the workday, to make calls, e-mails, texts, etc... does it truly last a good portion of the day before dying out ? Even with Navigation too ?

Thanks

I text, surf the web, make constant phone calls, and use the navigation religiously and still have plenty of battery life left at the end of the day when I go to sleep. If you like the iPhone 4 and do not want to have ANY worries then get yourself this sucker when its released http://www.myincipio.com/iphone-4-battery-case/
 
This test does prove my point on the crappy EVO battery life. I have been saying I get just half a workday on my EVO, I actually use a phone to make phone calls, and lots of them during the day. At least 30 -40 calls from 9 to 5.

Curious to see if the Nexus-S will match the iPhone4 ? This is why the i4 is great with battery, hopefully 2.3 Gingerbread does the same thing ? "While in a phone call the majority of the A4 SoC is powered down, so the efficiency improvements here have to do with how much less power the A4 consumes while off and the new Skyworks 3G modem."

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/13
 
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I was told that Sprint phones that have 4G....they have two seperate antenea in them. One for 3G and one for 4G which is a poor design and both are searching for signals and it drains the battery faster.

Something to that effect.
 
To me, iPhone 4 is one of the closest devices to be perfect. But technology is like a revolving door. What could seem "perfect" today may feel outdated tomorrow. AT&T seems to hold back the experiences too.

I can't wait for 2011 when the next level of phones arrives. This season felt more of a refinement of first gen touchscreen phones between 2007 - 2010. People forget that 2010 was only Android's second FULL year being released back in Oct '08 with the G1. The year of 2011 will go from single core Snapdragons to dual core Tegra 2. Let's see what battery life will give us even in dual core. It takes time for software to mature. And considering Android feels less polished than iOS, it seems to have an upside and more room for improvement. The Android Market is already getting an overhaul.

But if you want to kill some of the iOS envy, there is always the touch or iPad. I'll definitely check out the Nexus S @ Best Buy on the 16th, but only for curiousity. I don't expect to get blown away from it coming from Sammy. I feel it is just a pit stop and hardly revolutionary. Tech specs of the Motorola Olympus should have carried onto the Nexus line.
 
The two things that bother me about the Nexus S is no SD card expansion and no Gorilla glass which is what the Galaxy S phones have. No clue why they didnt include that. In anycase, im waiting for next years phones to come out with dual cores.

Not going to be looking at iPhone at all for the main reason of, it still wont be on T-Mobile. And doubt Steve gives it a bigger screen or better notifications or Swype. Not to mention Android has some exciting things coming up with OS systems.
 
Once upon a time, you'd recommend that people first determine what kind of software they needed to achieve their goals, and then recommend a computer based on the software needs they have. Graphic artists were often steered towards Mac's for this reason, especially in the early days of things like PageMaker. Business number crunchers were steered towards PC's for access to Lotus and WordPerfect. Time moved on of course, but this was always good advice to use when selecting computing platforms.

Smartphone customers could benefit from this as well.

First, make your carrier choice. What do you need? Where will you be primarily using your phone? Are all your friends and family on Sprint? If so, you'll need to adjust your plan to compensate for non-included mobile to mobile minutes. Then compare plan rates which, although very similar, start to differ measurably when you throw in data plans and monthly caps for same.

Second, since we are talking a smartphone, now make your software choices. This to me is the ONLY reason you are buying a smartphone versus a clamshell/flip phone. How easy can you synch the thing to your existing contacts/calendar/email? How easy is it to keep it in synch after the initial setup? What kinds of apps do you want....eReaders, GPS/Mapping, photography/video? Gaming is now huge on smartphones and we are way, way beyond Tetris using the 2, 4, 6 and 8 keys.

Once you've answered those two questions, then and only then should you start focusing in on hardware choices. Otherwise, you are allowing yourself to be totally manipulated by the marketing hype by the respective carrier and/or handset providers. That's fine if you are a sheeple. But a smart consumer makes their own choice instead of letting it be made for them. Specs and horsepower mean very little on a Smartphone as you aren't doing any rendering or DVD ripping on them. What matters is UI responsiveness, battery life, sound quality and screen/visual appeal. Snapdragon this versus proprietary chip X means absolutely nothing if the phone is dead because the battery only lasts half a day. It means even less if there is no software app to exploit that "super duper" CPU.

Personally, I think almost any carrier is fine. They are a commodity in my eyes. And I suspect in their own eyes as well or they wouldn't be selling their service on 1 and 2 year contracts....they know people are promiscuous when it comes to service providers. Depending on where you live and where you travel, some are better than others. AT&T and Tmobile are likely the best choices for someone who travels internationally a lot but lives and works here in the USA. Verizon is a great choice for domestic travelers since their network really does work out in the middle of freaking nowhere (as I can attest while standing in Wall, South Dakota with no service on an AT&T iPhone but 5 bars on a Verizon Droid). From what research I've done, Sprint is likely a great compromise between the coverage of Verizon without the nasty enforced data caps. They all have tradeoffs but honestly having used all of them over the past 5-7 years I can't tell you one is any better than the other. Verizon still has that pesky "can't talk and use data at same time" problem, but thats not as big of an issue as some make it out to be.

When it comes to software, however.....there is absolutely no comparison to the iTunes experience. Synchronization is stupid-simple as long as you've already consolidated your media into iTunes....just plug it into your Mac or PC and done. I will give high marks to Google's synch process as once its done on the Android you'll never worry about losing your contact info again. And its wireless so no need to hook it up to anything.....unless you want to synch EVERYTHING and then god help you with the number of software apps you'll need and the varying degrees of capabilities of each. And then there's the Bloatware, app permissions issues, borderline-malware and shareware-esque thing called the Android Market. For every 10 useful apps you'll find in Apple's curated iTunes App store, you'll have to dig deep to find ONE that can do ALMOST the same job on the Android Market. And its almost always an obvious half-azzed clone of the superior iPhone app. For Android devices, it is NOT a hardware or OS limitation, but my experience with professional paid/free apps on the Android platform are abysmal. Half of them don't work with your specific hardware/OS configuration (and in many cases, you'll find individual versions of the same app posted multiple times for different combo's...making it even more confusing!). And those that do just lack the polish and production values of their iPhone contemporaries. Sure the iTunes App Store has its share of crapware fart apps, but even those are almost universally of a higher quality and guaranteed to work on your iPhone. When the Android does get high production value (Angry Birds is on both platforms, for example) it almost always has adware shoved into it somewhere (again, see Angry Birds as a prime example). I don't know if that's because the Android marketplace is viewed by publishers as "lesser consumers" than iPhone customers or what but for whatever reason, you will always feel like a second-class citizen with an Android. If your needs are basic, you'll get by just fine. But if your needs are basic...why are you carrying a smartphone in the first place?

For the TLDR audience:

In summary, iPhone and the App Store offers a much fuller "smartphone" experience to the average user than you'll ever get from bleeding-edge Android anything on any carrier. This may change with almost half the Android market now stabilizing on Froyo, but I'm not optimistic about that.

If you like shareware-esque applications and don't mind the vast array of Android device differences...many of them feeling quite half-baked....then Android anything on Any carrier is likely a fine experience for you. If you want higher production values and an overall more predictably polished experience.....iPhone all the way.
 
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I'll construct my opinion in categories for you:)

operating system: completely dependent on the user, but I prefer the "pretty" and apps of iOS over Android.

battery life: this reason alone makes the iPhone 4 better than the EVO and pretty much any Android phone. The battery lasts me all day on 3G and 2-3 days on EDGE.

looks: the all glass is a head turner and the thinness makes the iPhone 4 just a beautiful phone.

carriers: Sprint isn't bad in my area, but I prefer AT&T all around, but this category is based on the user as well.

overall: you really can't go wrong with either, but you can do twice as much on a battery charge with the iPhone 4 than you can on the EVO.
 
Thanks for the kind post, seems we have the same tastes an hobby :)

I guess there are two things holding me back from buying the iPhone 4 tomorrow. First, I would like to see the Nexus-S in my hands and play with it for a few minutes, and see if I like it. Second, are these rumors of Verizon getting a iPhone 4.5 next month. Would hate to sign up with ATT, and not even a month later a slightly better iPhone is released on the best network.

How strong are these Verizon rumors, of it being announced at the big trade show in January, and on sale end of Jan ? 99% ? 50% ? Or no way right now ?

I personally think that Apple won't allow the iPhone onto Verizon's network until they can address the simultaneous voice+data limitation, which means VZW needs to release a LTE iPhone. Apple is all about conformity to their vision of how the phone and iOS are "meant" to be used. With millions of people now accustomed to simultaneous voice+data on AT&T's 3G network, anything less will seem like a step backwards.

Since VZW isn't going to be rolling out LTE until this spring, I guess you could see an announcement for a Verizon iPhone in January, but I doubt you'll see the device itself anytime before spring 2011 and likely just in time for Apple to release a new iPhone refresh for AT&T.

I will say with half my family on VZW and half on AT&T, I'd kill to have iPhone on Verizon. For my purposes, its a slightly better carrier. But the value of having everyone on the same family plan and still keeping my MiFi (which is crucial to my business) would mean I'd save hundreds of dollars per year. But no way am I letting go of all the useful apps I've got on my iPhone just to jump ship.
 
I personally think that Apple won't allow the iPhone onto Verizon's network until they can address the simultaneous voice+data limitation, which means VZW needs to release a LTE iPhone. Apple is all about conformity to their vision of how the phone and iOS are "meant" to be used. With millions of people now accustomed to simultaneous voice+data on AT&T's 3G network, anything less will seem like a step backwards.


Have you noticed that you no longer see the "talk and data at the same time" function on any of the iPhone commercials lately? Maybe just a coincidence, but it makes you wonder....
 
I personally think that Apple won't allow the iPhone onto Verizon's network until they can address the simultaneous voice+data limitation, which means VZW needs to release a LTE iPhone. Apple is all about conformity to their vision of how the phone and iOS are "meant" to be used. With millions of people now accustomed to simultaneous voice+data on AT&T's 3G network, anything less will seem like a step backwards.

Apple and ATT have no problem with currently selling iPhones to people outside of 3G coverage in the USA, so I don't think "vision" wins out over profit.

:)
 
^ I don't recall an Apple commercial touting the voice+data at the same time thing. I do recall a AT&T commercial using that as a bragging point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CS3rNBLZa8

**EDIT** Doh, I just watched a few past ads from Apple and they ALL tout the voice+data advantage. I guess since I've used one for so long I never saw this as an 'advantage' any longer!

But most of the press I've seen all states that simultaneous voice+data on VZW is a mid-2011 thing at the earliest:

Since simultaneous voice and data requires hardware that will not be available to phone makers until the middle of next year, it's unlikely that a Verizon iPhone, even one that goes on sale as late as June, would have it.
 
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I ditched my iPhone for the EVO on 12/1 and I returned the EVO back to Radio Shack on 12/3 and used my early upgrade to purchase another iPhone 4 because I had sold mine already. The EVO has some nice features, but the battery life was just a deal breaker for me. One of my favorite features was the Live Wallpaper.
 
^ I don't recall an Apple commercial touting the voice+data at the same time thing. I do recall a AT&T commercial using that as a bragging point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CS3rNBLZa8

**EDIT** Doh, I just watched a few past ads from Apple and they ALL tout the voice+data advantage. I guess since I've used one for so long I never saw this as an 'advantage' any longer!

But most of the press I've seen all states that simultaneous voice+data on VZW is a mid-2011 thing at the earliest:

Since simultaneous voice and data requires hardware that will not be available to phone makers until the middle of next year, it's unlikely that a Verizon iPhone, even one that goes on sale as late as June, would have it.



This was just something I had noticed over the last month. Bottom line I for one hope Verizon gets the iPhone and pulls some usage away from AT&T. I will stay with AT&T as I have great coverage where I live. Also I travel for work and have very rarely had issues with coverage.

That said, I also have a Verizon MiFi (again work related) and plan to keep that. This way between the 2 I get data almost everywhere I travel!

Edit: When traveling if I have a choice between the 2 carriers, I go with AT&T every time as the data transfer rates truly are faster...
 
I would wait for the dual core phones to come out and compare that to the iPhone 5 around mid-2011 if you can wait that long. You may be upset to buy something now only to have new better phones released soon after. I love my iPhone 4 and I've owned every iPhone but I'm getting a little bored with iOS. I had a Captivate and I loved it but the battery like the EVO was terrible. I hope Apple has some nice changes planned for iOS especially the notifications. Even if I do change to an Android phone I'm going to keep my iPhone 4 and use it as an iPod Touch.
 
^ Just curious.

Being "bored" with a phone's OS intrigues me. Is one of your requirements that a phone offer a lot of tweaks or gizmo's and its hacking/tweaking the phone that makes it "not boring?"

I've seen that comment before.....genuinely curious as to the response. I guess I don't view a phone as a pocketable 'tweaking platform,' but others may.
 
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