This Is How We Will Use Apple Pay with iPhone X

[kepler20b]

This is a misconception, Apple doesn't need to be a first to the market releasing the latest technology or physical refinements with their devices. They need to be the best at what they do, even if that means it takes a longer duration to release it. Apple understands this and so does the other millions of iPhone Users.

yeah youre not understanding what I wrote.


Apple is forced to market faceID as a feature to sell the phone. It wasnt even their preferred method for security, but everyone is going to get fooled into believing its this unbelievable and efficient way to use the device over touchID.

Because theyve been beaten to the market by everything else.

Oled? every major android phone has been using it
wide aspect ratio? s8 has been out for months.
bezels? s8 has been out for months
wireless charging? years behind
water resistance? years behind

Think about how the marketing for the phone changes when you


1- deliver a device with a fingerprint sensor under the screen
or
2- deliver a device with faceid
[doublepost=1505028959][/doublepost]if the s9 or whatever subsequent galaxy phone, or the note9 whatever, becomes the first device to carry a fingerprint sensor under its screen,

that will become the most significant indictment on apple's brand as this unassailable hardware maker.

"cant innovate anymore my ass"

where's that product headed anyway?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Get an Apple Watch, you'll look less of a tosser at a checkout looking into your phone while everybody in the queue looks at you with a less than impressed expression.

 

[44267547]

yeah youre not understanding what I wrote.


Apple is forced to market faceID as a feature to sell the phone. It wasnt even their preferred method for security, but everyone is going to get fooled into believing its this unbelievable and efficient way to use the device over touchID.

Because theyve been beaten to the market by everything else.

Oled? every major android phone has been using it
wide aspect ratio? s8 has been out for months.
bezels? s8 has been out for months
wireless charging? years behind
water resistance? years behind

Think about how the marketing for the phone changes when you


1- deliver a device with a fingerprint sensor under the screen
or
2- deliver a device with faceid

I'm not looking to turn this into a Samsung versus Apple debate. And I did understand what you wrote. Again, Because you stated "Because theyve been beaten to the market by everything else."

Also, Apple isn't 'fooling' anyone. They value security moreover than any of other smart phone manufacture, and face ID has been in the testing longer than you were even aware of. So you're doubting something that you have no knowledge on or experience with regardless. Your point is moot here.

And Apple has never been about releasing technology first to the market. They don't have to, because they make they make refinements to make there devices better and they don't release gimmick technology either. Tim Cook was even quoted in an interview stating that they're not the first to release technology, but they make their goal to be the best. Do you honestly believe that Apple is any less of a smart phone manufacturer because they don't have all the latest features that a competitor has? Does that stop the iPhone from selling any less of affect there core user base?

The Marketing doesn't change my experience with the iPhone, the user experience with the iPhone changes my experience. Two different things.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

What percentage of iPhone users have an Apple Watch, I wonder? I'm certain it's nowhere near a majority.

That's true. I've got one and enjoy it, but the vast majority of iPhone users I know don't have one. I doubt they've take off as well as Apple would have hoped despite being a cool little gadget. Apple Pay is easier to use on them though and more discreet.

 

[kepler20b]

Get an Apple Watch, you'll look less of a tosser at a checkout looking into your phone while everybody in the queue looks at you with a less than impressed expression.

is this included in the 1000$ phone?
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I'm not looking to turn this into a Samsung versus Apple debate. And I did understand what you wrote. Again, Because you stated "Because theyve been beaten to the market by everything else."

Also, Apple isn't 'fooling' anyone. They value security moreover than any of other smart phone manufacture, and face ID has been in the testing longer than you were even aware of. So you're doubting something that you have no knowledge on or experience with regardless. Your point is moot here.

And Apple has never been about releasing technology first to the market. They don't have to, because they make they make refinements to make there devices better and they don't release gimmick technology either. Tim Cook was even quoted in an interview stating that they're not the first to release technology, but they make their goal to be the best. Do you honestly believe that Apple is any less of a smart phone manufacturer because they don't have all the latest features that a competitor has? Does that stop the iPhone from selling any less of affect there core user base?

The Marketing doesn't change my experience with the iPhone, the user experience with the iPhone changes my experience. Two different things.

repeat after me:


face id was not their preferred method for unlocking the phone

---->

face id will be marketed as the defining feature of the new phone that sets it apart from competitors

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

is this included in the 1000$ phone?

Sadly not, but if Apple didn't decide to rip its customers off by adding £400 to the release price of its S8 competitor, then you'd easily be able to get an Apple Watch too for under £1000.

If the iPhone 8 launched with an Apple Watch included then that £1000 might be justified.

 

[Roadstar]

This is a rather moot point with me and I believe a lot of other people as I use my Apple Watch about 90% of the time. It is much more convenient.

We don't have Apple Pay here yet (although it's been promised by the end of the year), so I haven't had a chance to test paying with my watch yet, but at least here a good number of terminals have their NFC readers on the left side of the terminal as opposed to the top of it. I wear my watch on my left hand and it having it contact the reader requires twisting my arm rather awkwardly, so I'm not that sure about its convenience here. Well, I hope I can test this out soon.

 

[44267547]

repeat after me:


face id was not their preferred method for unlocking the phone

---->

face id will be marketed as the defining feature of the new phone that sets it apart from competitors

I can accept the fact if you want to ignore the other points that I addressed on your previous posts, but I have no issue with Face ID, so I'm not sure why you continue to keep bringing this up as if it's an issue for everyone, when it's not. I could care less if it was not the preferred method or not, as I trust Apple's security methods and value the research and development into something that you have no knowledge on. And regardless how Apple market's face ID, it's the fact behind how they will ensure the users privacy is protected. That's all I could ask for, and the millions of others.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We don't have Apple Pay here yet (although it's been promised by the end of the year), so I haven't had a chance to test paying with my watch yet, but at least here a good number of terminals have their NFC readers on the left side of the terminal as opposed to the top of it. I wear my watch on my left hand and it having it contact the reader requires twisting my arm rather awkwardly, so I'm not that sure about its convenience here. Well, I hope I can test this out soon.

Do you guys not have these over there?

These are usually situated quite conveniently at checkouts and self serve terminals in shops and supermarkets here in the UK. We've had Apple Pay for about 2 years now I think.

 

[Radon87000]

Get an Apple Watch, you'll look less of a tosser at a checkout looking into your phone while everybody in the queue looks at you with a less than impressed expression.

Depends on how widespread the iPhone X adoption is. There will definitely be more than 1 iPhone X user in a queue

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Depends on how widespread the iPhone X adoption is. There will definitely be more than 1 iPhone X user in a queue

It depends where you are in the world and what sort of shop you are in. You can't confidently say that but my guess is you are saying this because you've been bleating on about how well the iPhone 8 will sell because everybody thinks exactly the same as yourself.

 

[Radon87000]

It depends where you are in the world and what sort of shop you are in. You can't confidently say that but my guess is you are saying this because you've been bleating on about how well the iPhone 8 will sell because everybody thinks exactly the same as yourself.

Well we will find out in a few months anyway.

 

[Roadstar]

Do you guys not have these over there?

These are usually situated quite conveniently at checkouts and self serve terminals in shops and supermarkets here in the UK. We've had Apple Pay for about 2 years now I think.

We have those ones, but we also have lots of these:

Note the NFC reader on the side. It's perfectly fine for contactless cards and phones, but for watches worn on the left hand it gets a little bit problematic ergonomically with the required 180 degree rotation.

 

[Phil A.]

Apple could be painting themselves into a corner if they remove TouchID completely: If they haven't got it on the X (and it certainly looks like it won't be there) and portray FaceID as "the future of authentication", then will they completely give up on trying to get it under the screen?

If not, then how do they market returning it to a future phone - If they do put it on a subsequent phone, how does that correlate with FaceID being the future?

Personally, I think the iPhone X will mark the beginning of the end of fingerprint authentication on iOS devices

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We have those ones, but we also have lots of these:

Note the NFC reader on the side. It's perfectly fine for contactless cards and phones, but for watches worn on the left hand it gets a little bit problematic ergonomically with the required 180 degree rotation.

I've never seen those types of terminal before. I know on the one I showed here, as long as the device is within about 4"s it should beep.

 

[daijholt]

face id will be marketed as the defining feature of the new phone that sets it apart from competitors

Because it is the defining feature of the new phone that sets it apart from competitors. Nobody else in the industry has facial recognition tech that's nearly as advanced as what faceID is claimed to be.

Yes they probably wanted Touch ID AS WELL, but clearly couldn't get it ready in time. You're proceeding as though Touch ID is preferred by apple over face id, when in reality face id has been in development for years and would've been in this new iPhone whether they'd put Touch ID in their or not.

 

[Azzin]

I've never seen those types of terminal before. I know on the one I showed here, as long as the device is within about 4"s it should beep.

Exactly, you don't need to do the gymnastics that some people are implying to pay with an Apple Watch.

It's contactless technology, you don't need to turn 878 degrees while standing on your head, scratching your tummy.

Wave the watch near the terminal.

Job done.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Because it is the defining feature of the new phone that sets it apart from competitors. Nobody else in the industry has facial recognition tech that's nearly as advanced as what faceID is claimed to be.

Yes they probably wanted Touch ID AS WELL, but clearly couldn't get it ready in time. You're proceeding as though Touch ID is preferred by apple over face id, when in reality face id has been in development for years and would've been in this new iPhone whether they'd put Touch ID in their or not.

It sets it apart from its competitors we are told. I'm interested to know what the security failures were with a fingerprint reader though? It was marketed to us a few years back that only our fingerprints could open the device. We had had profile cases where the FBI struggled to open an iPhone of a killer, yet this technology is now inferior?

Is it the case that facial recognition is being adopted because it's a different method rather than the current option needing to be replaced? Apple are rarely first with technology these days and I wonder if this has been developed to give the iPhone 8 some difference. They are after all still selling iPads and other iPhones with this apparent inferior technology in 2017.

 

[Roadstar]

I've never seen those types of terminal before. I know on the one I showed here, as long as the device is within about 4"s it should beep.

We have mostly those and the ones you linked. I'm not sure about the distribution numbers, but I'd guess it's not far from 50-50.

 

[Nozuka]

We have the terminals with NFC reader on the side.
It feels very inconvenient to me, to hold the phone to the side and use touchID with just one hand. would be much easier if the reader was on the top.

But it doesn't sound like double pressing a button will improve this.

So i'll never use it, just like i don't use it now.

It's easier for me to just hold my card to the terminal, which allows for pin free payments up to 40.- (95% of my payments)

 

[drygioni]

I ended up using Touch ID in an emergency after having my card set up for weeks unused. I'd forgotten my wallet and it worked great. I use it all the time now, not really concerned if anyone thinks I look like a dick, it's a great technology!

 

[profets]

So you scan your face and then double click ... double click what? One of the side buttons?

Presumably, the iPhone X will be authenticated when you are holding it, so you'll need a way to confirm a transaction or turn on Pay. This is similar to how the Apple Watch works - while you're wearing it it's already authenticated. Double pressing the side/sleep button will enable Pay. Sounds like they're doing the same thing with this iPhone.

 

[Nozuka]

oh i get it now. basically you are double pressing the button before holding it to the terminal...
that way you can activate it for payment and read the face at the same time. and when you hold it to the terminal it won't need any further authentication.

if it works that way it sounds good to me. and will acually work better for me than touchid, if used one handed.

 

[Kiimora]

Am sure the new security feature will be as user friendly & frictionless as TouchID. One more day to go to find out

 

[Radon87000]

It sets it apart from its competitors we are told. I'm interested to know what the security failures were with a fingerprint reader though? It was marketed to us a few years back that only our fingerprints could open the device. We had had profile cases where the FBI struggled to open an iPhone of a killer, yet this technology is now inferior?

Is it the case that facial recognition is being adopted because it's a different method rather than the current option needing to be replaced? Apple are rarely first with technology these days and I wonder if this has been developed to give the iPhone 8 some difference. They are after all still selling iPads and other iPhones with this apparent inferior technology in 2017.

TouchID has a disadvantage in that it doesn’t work when your fingers are greasy or wet or with gloves. FaceID would work in those scenarios. Honestly Apple should have included even TouchID as an option on the back as it has advantages which outweigh FaceID in some scenarios like when asleep or when someone has a high resolution photo of your face but likely couldn’t get it to work under glass and opted for form over function as the back fp sensor isn’t ergonomic for many.