This Is How We Will Use Apple Pay with iPhone X

[drygioni]

TouchID has a disadvantage in that it doesn’t work when your fingers are greasy or wet or with gloves. FaceID would work in those scenarios. Honestly Apple should have included even TouchID as an option on the back as it has advantages which outweigh FaceID in some scenarios like when asleep or when someone has a high resolution photo of your face but likely couldn’t get it to work under glass and opted for form over function as the back fp sensor isn’t ergonomic for many.

I don't think that's an issue, it scans 3D so I'd be surprised if it could be fooled with a photo.

I have a fingerprint sensor on the back of my work phone (Android), and it works great. I wish they'd made the Apple logo the TouchID on the X. Not that it'll affect me yet, I'll be sticking with the 7S/8 unless miracles happen and the 128GB X is under £900.

 

[AfroAbel]

What percentage of iPhone users have an Apple Watch, I wonder? I'm certain it's nowhere near a majority.

What percentage of iPhone users use Apple Pay?
I don't think that's a majority either...

 

[The Game 161]

for apple pay i guess nothing is more convenient than touch id. now you have to put your phone up to the nfc terminal, take it away and scan your face and then go back to the terminal!? sounds meh.... but we'll see

It's meh having to do it on an iphone anyway..far better on the apple watch

 

[Patriks7]

It's not a mistake, it's something they have worked on for many years, it's replacing Touch ID and moving forward.

What I don't understand about this, if Touch ID is being replaced why did they just put it into the MacBook Pro's? I would think for a device like that, Face ID would make A LOT more sense in the first place.

 

[Dave245]

What I don't understand about this, if Touch ID is being replaced why did they just put it into the MacBook Pro's? I would think for a device like that, Face ID would make A LOT more sense in the first place.

I don't know why they just brought it to the MacBook Pro but it looks like they will be bringing "Face ID" to Mac's in the future.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/06/mac-facial-recognition-auto-wake-patent/

 

[joeblow7777]

What percentage of iPhone users use Apple Pay?
I don't think that's a majority either...

What's your point? That doesn't matter at all unless you're suggesting that there's a convenient overlap of the two subsets of iPhone users.

 

[penajmz]

Presumably, the iPhone X will be authenticated when you are holding it, so you'll need a way to confirm a transaction or turn on Pay. This is similar to how the Apple Watch works - while you're wearing it it's already authenticated. Double pressing the side/sleep button will enable Pay. Sounds like they're doing the same thing with this iPhone.

I like this and it makes sense. I use Apple Pay with my watch often and it’s pretty seamless, they could easily do the same with the X and it’d work pretty well.

 

[Sunny1990]

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According to this Guy :-

I suspect that iPhone X will be able to always quickly identify your face, so you when you want to pay or buy an app, you just double click.

https://twitter.com/jeffrey903/status/906888880187740166

 

[Starfyre]

So in other words, I can pay by moving my phone to the payment processor, touch my finger and complete my sale.

This is a step backwards. I can't imagine Apple demonstrating how payments can be made with FaceId using this new tech that would be faster than their payments demo with touchid. Sounds like fail to me.

Two clicks vs a single touch... it's a no brainer people.

 

[profets]

I like this and it makes sense. I use Apple Pay with my watch often and it’s pretty seamless, they could easily do the same with the X and it’d work pretty well.

Yeah, until I was writing that post I hadn’t really thought about it. But it does make sense given that’s how the watch works as well without Touch ID.

 

[profets]

So in other words, I can pay by moving my phone to the payment processor, touch my finger and complete my sale.

This is a step backwards. I can't imagine Apple demonstrating how payments can be made with FaceId using this new tech that would be faster than their payments demo with touchid. Sounds like fail to me.

Two clicks vs a single touch... it's a no brainer people.

It’s basically using the same method as the Watch.

 

[Starfyre]

If they really wanted to show how FaceID was better than TouchID they better make a video showing how quick someone can make a purchase on it just like they did with TouchID when they first unveiled it.

Look at a Phone, Press Button Twice vs Touch a Button

It's a no-brainer which is easier.

 

[Starfyre]

How does iWatch work for payments? It has no TouchID or FaceId right?

 

[penajmz]

If they really wanted to show how FaceID was better than TouchID they better make a video showing how quick someone can make a purchase on it just like they did with TouchID when they first unveiled it.

Look at a Phone, Press Button Twice vs Touch a Button

It's a no-brainer which is easier.

What we have discussed here is that Face ID is automatically authenticating it’s you so when you go make a purchase, all you have to do is locate the phone near the NFC terminal and double press the lock button twice to confirm, ala Apple Watch.

It works like that on the watch because when you are wearing it and it’s unlocked you have already authenticated it.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Apple could be painting themselves into a corner if they remove TouchID completely: If they haven't got it on the X (and it certainly looks like it won't be there) and portray FaceID as "the future of authentication", then will they completely give up on trying to get it under the screen?

If not, then how do they market returning it to a future phone - If they do put it on a subsequent phone, how does that correlate with FaceID being the future?

Personally, I think the iPhone X will mark the beginning of the end of fingerprint authentication on iOS devices

Good points, Phil. I don't know what the answer is going to be fair Apple. However, I think they shouldn't abandon TouchID on iOS devices, especially when they added there TB MBP to the line-up, and Apple is big on cross-over device integration.

I would like to see Touch ID and Face ID options on the same phone. I don't think that will happen on Tuesday. It certainly could next year, if Apple feels it has refined the manufacturing process for under the glass.

Time will tell. Apple is definitely pushing the technological envelope (once again) like they did with USB-C and getting rid of ports, along with HEVC etc. It will be interesting to see Apple user reaction Tuesday evening and into the coming months.

 

[Starfyre]

Still, with the Phone, I can pull it out of my pocket, put it in front of the pay terminal, and touch the button. Thats it, so much more convenient than...

Putting phone in front of payment processor, looking right at my phone, press button twice after FaceID recognizes it.

Still a no brainer.

FaceID is just "another way of authentication" and does not provide anywhere close to the convenience of TouchID. Apple failed. Thats why we saw all the press about how they were frantically trying to get in-display TouchID. Anything they do Tuesday is just covering up a failure, and relying on marketing to get people to overcome it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they built in in-display TouchID next year. After all, it would drive up sales since many will want that back in their phones. They can make double the profit.

I feel like what it's going to come down to is, if you miss TouchID, get the iPhone 8. If you don't miss TouchID, then then get X. If you want OLED and TouchID at the same time, get next year's model. (All of them will have FaceID anyway)

 

[BSben]

How does iWatch work for payments? It has no TouchID or FaceId right?

Payments with Apple Watch only work on passcode locked Apple Watch, once the watch is unlocked via passcode or via iPhone a double click on the home button brings up Apple Pay until the Apple Watch is removed as it will then lock.

 

[Starfyre]

We can already do better than the iWatch with the iPhone TouchID method. Then again, if the TouchID could be put in-display, there would be no reason for the watch to not have it.

I think based on MacRumors news posts historically, this is clearly a failure for Apple to integrated TouchID into the new phone and marketing for FaceID is just covering up the mess.

 

[onepoint]

Payments with Apple Watch only work on passcode locked Apple Watch, once the watch is unlocked via passcode or via iPhone a double click on the home button brings up Apple Pay until the Apple Watch is removed as it will then lock.

So why not just hold your phone near the terminal and use TouchID? Is this for when you leave your phone in a sealed, padlocked compartment in somebody else’s backpack?

 

[BSben]

So why not just hold your phone near the terminal and use TouchID? Is this for when you leave your phone in a sealed, padlocked compartment in somebody else’s backpack?

Double clicking the home button of the Watch is faster, as I don't have to pull my iPhone out of the pocket.

 

[penajmz]

You’re missing the point. The point is that Face ID will work so fast, without you having to do anything because it can read your face at odd angles, etc that as soon as you take it out your face will be authenticated.

At that point you point it to the terminal, double press buttons, done.

Even if you have to quickly point it at your face to authenticate (it’s said to be faster than Touch ID) it won’t be a hassle.

 

[profets]

How does iWatch work for payments? It has no TouchID or FaceId right?

Payments with Apple Watch only work on passcode locked Apple Watch, once the watch is unlocked via passcode or via iPhone a double click on the home button brings up Apple Pay until the Apple Watch is removed as it will then lock.

Yes, a passcode enabled Apple Watch is a requirement, but once the Watch makes contact with your skin the passcode is no longer required until you remove the watch. So once you're wearing the Watch, it's always authenticated, hence the need to double press the side button to enable Pay. Given that Face ID will cause the iPhone X to be authenticated automatically, looks like they'll be using the side button as well to enable Pay.

We can already do better than the iWatch with the iPhone TouchID method. Then again, if the TouchID could be put in-display, there would be no reason for the watch to not have it.

I think based on MacRumors news posts historically, this is clearly a failure for Apple to integrated TouchID into the new phone and marketing for FaceID is just covering up the mess.

Way too many potential advantages for Face ID over Touch ID. This is Apple pushing forward. Far from a failure.

 

[onepoint]

Double clicking the home button of the Watch is faster, as I don't have to pull my iPhone out of the pocket.

But you mentioned having to unlock the watch via passcode or iPhone first? I’ve never used the watch so I’m flying blind

 

[michael9891]

I think based on MacRumors news posts historically, this is clearly a failure for Apple to integrated TouchID into the new phone and marketing for FaceID is just covering up the mess.

Not being able to incorporate Touch ID under the screen is hardly a mess. Nobody else has managed it yet either. These things aren't simple.

 

[profets]

Still, with the Phone, I can pull it out of my pocket, put it in front of the pay terminal, and touch the button. Thats it, so much more convenient than...

Putting phone in front of payment processor, looking right at my phone, press button twice after FaceID recognizes it.

Still a no brainer.

FaceID is just "another way of authentication" and does not provide anywhere close to the convenience of TouchID. Apple failed. Thats why we saw all the press about how they were frantically trying to get in-display TouchID. Anything they do Tuesday is just covering up a failure, and relying on marketing to get people to overcome it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they built in in-display TouchID next year. After all, it would drive up sales since many will want that back in their phones. They can make double the profit.

I feel like what it's going to come down to is, if you miss TouchID, get the iPhone 8. If you don't miss TouchID, then then get X. If you want OLED and TouchID at the same time, get next year's model. (All of them will have FaceID anyway)

Let's be real. The tech media press is generally critical of anything that happens. They rarely ever stop to logically and rationally think through something.

You're saying Apple failed in past tense, yet you haven't even seen Face ID. This will be version 1 of Face ID. Can you imagine as it improves with time too?

Like @penajmz said, you're missing the point. We're moving to a form of seamless authentication. You really need to think out of the box and see how much advantage there will be for this. Will it require pressing a button twice instead of tapping the home button when doing Apple Pay? Sure. Is that a reason to hold back all the benefits of moving to Face ID? No.

The way we use an iPhone is about to completely change with iPhone X. Never mind how Apple Pay works. The home button is about to disappear. With Face ID you'll pick up the phone and just use it, automatically authenticated via Face ID by paying attention to the screen.