This a million times over.
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This New Yorker is pretty pissed about iOS 6 maps
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This a million times over.
Threads like this are why the general public should be kept out of Betas, they don't get what it really is and they also don't read the developer notes and known issues.
hello fellow Torontonian!
If you recall TTC once offered to the minute accurate times for busses to arrive at stops for about one year (that must've been some 7yrs ago). The option you mention above is CRITICAL to those of us that rely on accurate bus, streetcar, subway arrival & departure times as being late too many times (even as little as 5 as a contractor or full time employee) could mean grounds for termination - this of course depends on your job role & company policy's.
I fully understand the ops issue here - google maps site (even pinning to the home screen is not a solution) - and I'm worried just the same. The main part of Mr Forstall's announcement is a) do we need to download a plethora of apps (embark has 1 for major USA cities) - not ideal imo), or b) will map developers provide data at a small cost with free yearly updates before new yr contract fee is renegotiated, to Apple for embedding???
I'd like too see more data implemented & frequently updated:
Stores not just those reviewed by Yelp (I'm not a trendy yuppy bored of Starbucks),
Parks, bike paths, guitar lessons offered, drum lessons, etc!
Swimming pools open to the public - a HUGE issue in Toronto since public edu canceled schools funding for new/existing pools, along with YMCA locations are scarce - I will not ever goto the one at Wellesley for my personal comfort (not phobia I just prefer men wear towels when deciding to chat amongst each other in the change room and not advertising their size; I can hold my own thank you).
Public bike rakes, businesses that encourage biking to work (future employment maybe),
Alternative routes to bikers - roads with least amount of bike accidents; even for motocyclists!
Daycare locations, reviews of them.
Does anyone notice the data of stores' info in current Maps is slightly different in iPad vs iPhone??
Glad you're finding so much humor in this. You're wrong about what Apple said they're doing with transit directions, though. And I really shouldn't have to be explaining this to people who could just go read some of the hands-on impressions themselves. But what we're getting in the new Maps app is a list of downloadable transit routing apps when you tap the bus icon (a list that's blank as of the current beta). You download the app you want, then maps hands the information over to that app for routing. So I have to be switched to a second app just to attempt to approximate the experience I'm getting now with one. And if my best option includes a subway and, I don't know, a bus, there aren't currently any apps to my knowledge that can handle both.
If these alternate providers were simply replacing Google as the third-party (yes, I know the definition of that term, thank you) provider of transit info within Maps, why would we need to download a separate app? Why couldn't Apple just partner with those sources themselves instead of making me sort this out, when the way things currently are is that everything just works by default?
I will concede that a third-party app that takes into account up-to-the-minute service disruptions would be useful and a bit more accurate than Google's routing. But it's not worth sacrificing street view and having everything in one app.
You could consider not being an elitist snob and give it a try. If you know anything about NYC's subway you know there are multiple ways to get anywhere. And if I'm in a hurry it's really useful to know I can take one line and walk to the station just before the train gets there instead of choosing another line and having to wait 10 minutes on a train.
ITS A BETA!!! Stop whinging unless the final product has actually been released.
If you wanna actually do something about this because moaning and whining here does jack all, go to Apple's website and send them some feedback.
Be grateful that there are even services like this, let alone the fact that they are FREE.
The human race is just becoming more and more spoiled... its ridiculous.
If you wanna actually do something about this because moaning and whining here does jack all, go to Apple's website and send them some feedback.
Be grateful that there are even services like this, let alone the fact that they are FREE.
The human race is just becoming more and more spoiled... its ridiculous.
BETAS ARE FOR FIXING BUGS. They are not for entirely rethinking the way features work. When has Apple ever done this over the course of an iOS beta?
And I don't know where you get free from. I don't know about you, but last time I checked buying an iPhone sets you back a decent amount. Not to mention the cost of my monthly unlimited data, a fair amount of which goes toward navigation. Is it really whining to suggest Apple shouldn't take features away from me when I pay a significant premium to use their products as it is?
If the transit directions are missing from the final release of iOS6, then you have a legitimate gripe. However, there are many beta versions to go and it is very clear that the maps app is incomplete in its current state. I have been following Apple for a long time. I really believe that Tim Cook is following the basic principles that Steve Jobs set up for the company. That principle is to make the BEST PRODUCTS, not battle with their competition. In the All Things D conference from 2010, Mossberg straight up asks Steve Jobs about Apple replacing the Google Maps app (as a way to compete with Android since Apple was in another platform war similar to what they were in with Microsoft in the PC market) and Steve replies that he has no intention of doing so....that they can be competitors and not "be rude". I think that Apple feels they have a better product to present to us than their current offering with Google Maps, else they wouldn't have replaced it. If they really wanted to shaft Google, they'd remove Google search as the default, YouTube, Gmail integration, etc.
Forstall clearly said at the WWDC that the transit feature would be integrated into the app via 3rd party apps. This means that you will not have to leave the maps app to view the route data. Apple may amaze us with their integration of the 3rd party app information. For example, an app may have updated routes or information on a bus that you're waiting for that running behind schedule that could be smartly integrated into the routing directions, just like Apple did with their traffic feature on Turn-by-Turn. Information from multiple 3rd party apps integrated at the same time into the routing directions would be a handy feature indeed, and would be more precise than what Google is currently offering.
You talk about being efficient with your route....maybe Apple has the same vision as you do. San Francisco is also big city after all and it has an extensive transit system with the BART, cable cars, etc. I'd sure like to hope Apple put as much thought into the Maps app as they did with Passbook (tickets conveniently pop up when you need them, etc.) since they themselves will all be using it to get around their nearby metropolis. Apple is not going to remove such a feature that they themselves rely heavily upon also. That doesn't make sense....especially to do it just to stick it to Google. That's not Apple-like at all.
I think there were 8 betas of OS5 before the GM was released. While I can definitely agree with your reasons for being upset about the missing features, you should hold off judgement for a little while longer until Apple can finish building out the maps app. If the GM is released and doesn't contain smart transit info, I'll backup your complaint.
Street View will be missed.
Forstall clearly said at the WWDC that the transit feature would be integrated into the app via 3rd party apps. This means that you will not have to leave the maps app to view the route data. Apple may amaze us with their integration of the 3rd party app information. For example, an app may have updated routes or information on a bus that you're waiting for that running behind schedule that could be smartly integrated into the routing directions, just like Apple did with their traffic feature on Turn-by-Turn. Information from multiple 3rd party apps integrated at the same time into the routing directions would be a handy feature indeed, and would be more precise than what Google is currently offering.
You talk about being efficient with your route....maybe Apple has the same vision as you do. San Francisco is also big city after all and it has an extensive transit system with the BART, cable cars, etc. I'd sure like to hope Apple put as much thought into the Maps app as they did with Passbook (tickets conveniently pop up when you need them, etc.) since they themselves will all be using it to get around their nearby metropolis. Apple is not going to remove such a feature that they themselves rely heavily upon also. That doesn't make sense....especially to do it just to stick it to Google. That's not Apple-like at all.
I think there were 8 betas of OS5 before the GM was released. While I can definitely agree with your reasons for being upset about the missing features, you should hold off judgement for a little while longer until Apple can finish building out the maps app. If the GM is released and doesn't contain smart transit info, I'll backup your complaint.
Street View will be missed.
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Maps.google.com
There you go, problem solved.
I have to use 3rd party transit apps all the time as google maps is crap for it in the UK, but the 3rd party apps I use are brilliant, such as the national rail app and tubemap pro.
Plus you cite hands on impressions of a beta, wait until final release before moaning.
I live in NYC as well, and dude you need to chill out. This is iOS6 BETA ONE. If Maps was working and you needed to enter in an address, it does offer the ability select a car, bus, or walking route, but because maps is currently not working, you can not use it. I understand its a bit frustrating, but honestly, if you're a true NY'er, do you really need to know where you are going in the city?? How about we hold judgement on this new map system until we get to the final version of iOS6 this fall. And if you can not wait, then just rollback to iOS 5.1.1
I would say wait until its out of beta and see if it meets your needs. If not, grab an android. Plenty of options out there if you are not happy with Apple.
The Google Maps data Apple has used has never been free for Apple. And Google has never charged users for their service anyways. Their changes to fees they are going to charge would not of had any affect on Apple.
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Apple stated during the presentation it would integrated with 3rd party APPS. That seems to imply it will just be launching separate apps. That is much different than 3rd party agreements to provide data which would allow true integration.
I believe it, except for the price. In Boston I have seen parking spots go for $70,000... Comparatively $5,000 is a bargain!
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Sarcasm is extremely difficult to detect online, especially since it often requires tone (which is almost always completely lost in text).
BTW nobody is crying. We are all just very sure you are wrong.
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maps.google.com
And add it to the home screen and you get the same ease of use.
It has been stated multiple times why that is less than ideal. I will choose not to repeat it again.
I am not from the city but I understand how you could be frustrated. But I wouldn't blame the "Google vs Apple" grudge match. Apple's need to have control on every aspect of the OS is important to them.
Then I wouldnt buy a car either. Hec the parking space is twice what id pay for a car.If I see one more schmuck who obviously hasn't read the thread jump in and tell me to just use the web app I'm going to go postal.
Likewise for this. I like my transit routing as it is; I don't need to be lectured about whether I'm a "true New Yorker" or not.
Hey guess what, Apple's getting rid of the music app! But don't cry and moan over it! Because real music fans listen to vinyl anyway.
Honestly.
And a smooth user experience is important to me. I used to think it was important to Apple, too.
Likewise for this. I like my transit routing as it is; I don't need to be lectured about whether I'm a "true New Yorker" or not.
Hey guess what, Apple's getting rid of the music app! But don't cry and moan over it! Because real music fans listen to vinyl anyway.
Honestly.
And a smooth user experience is important to me. I used to think it was important to Apple, too.
use the web app. It's got transit directions.... Don't see why that won't work.
What freaking parking spots are you guys referring too that cost that much?
You can find many parking garages in Manhattan anywhere from $400 - $600 a month. Anything higher than that, you are getting a ripped off or paying for some super luxury parking.
It's not hard to detect when you read what I was responding too. I even put a
afterwards. Duh!!!Nope you guys are just crybabies. And what am I wrong about?
Because it doesn't have compass access to work out where you are in the first place.
FFS.
Congratulations on not being able to tell the difference between GPS and the compass.
Authorizing location services for Safari gives access to both the GPS and compass hardware.
See DeviceMotion API for further clarification. Some people are clueless.
See DeviceMotion API for further clarification. Some people are clueless.