Thats fine so will you head off to a windows based PC? I'm currently on a dell but have ordered the new mbp 13 in bto with mid level i5 processor and upgraded the ram to 16GB. I stuck with the entry level 256 hard drive as i refuse to pay the Apple tax for the next one up. I'll just get an external drive for when I need it.
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Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth
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I've been using "adapters" (as you call them) with every Mac that I've owned. I have a 2012 MacBook Air. It comes with Type A USB ports on the side. I have an iPhone, an iPhone, three external Seagate drives, and a Sony camera. None of them have Type A ports.... they all need "adapters" to connect to my MacBook Air.
So when I upgrade to this 2016 13" MBP, I'm also upgrading my "adapters". One end of each adapter will have a different connector (Type C instead of Type A) than the "adapter" I've been using for the last 5 years.
This new MBP is no more of an octopus for me than my old Air (with USB ports) was. Zero extra wires.
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Exactly. There will be fully working Dell Xps 15 quadcore Kaby Lake prototype models being used today.
Intel doesn't just dump a box on Dell's doorstep on January 15th and Dell is magically selling them on the 16th.
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I'm a dual user, mainly for work. There's nothing in this release that makes me think your direction of travel will be common.
I bet if Apple just made the right ports USB 3.1 only instead of thunderbolt then nobody would have complained as much.
Yeah, I see no big deal using adapters at the beginning of an adoption (USB C), and as time goes on, new peripherals will adopt the superior connector. It's called progress. It would be different if there were no way to use the old devices. In this case it couldn't be any easier to just attach a $7 doohicky to your old Logitech Laser mouse for now. Or just as likely, use one of the ports to connect a multi-function hub/dock that can have all of the legacy ports you could need.
Nah. The complaint-factor after an Apple release is always high. People would have still complained.
If anything I'm surprised it took them this long. The MacBook came out 18 months ago and they were singing the praises of USB-C. I guess it didn't make sense to produce a stop-gap MacBook Pro with TB3 last year.
That makes sense. I guess my knee heel reaction was that it was an arbitrary decision by Apple
This whole 400+ message thread is about a post on Apple's website.
Well, maybe at 1799 U$, with those "massive" specs, there was no more money left for the extra PCIe lanes
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I agree.
Most everyone's computer now has a USB Type A port, and most of their external USB devices use a different USB type. The adapter to connect a Type A port to a different type port is called a "USB CABLE", and nobody freaks out that it's required.
But good lord, when the computer switches to a USB Type C port, the cable that connects everything is called (queue the menacing villain music) "AN ADAPTER".
For 99% of my external devices, it'll require swapping from a USB cable that ends in Type A to a USB cable that ends in Type C. To me, that's more "swapping USB cables" than "omg, I have to suddenly use an adapter now".
Now for external devices where you can't swap the USB cable (USB thumb drive, wired mouse), that's when an adapter comes in. I know everyone's use case is different, but those two technologies seem so old to me that it seems about right to have to use them with adapters on a 2016 computer.
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It's $10 to get a multi port. If you can afford a mb pro, you can spring for the adapter.
No, no it's not. The Mac Pro doesn't have the same bandwidth for all 6 Thunderbolt ports.
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Monoprice has 1260 different products with USB-C. I paid a pittance to buy more than enough cables to to support my needs and will able to have charging units everywhere I go, even in my car because of the beauty of USB-C.It's just that some people keep throwing out the term "ADAPTER", like they're somehow not using one now to connect the Type A USB port on the side of their existing computer to one of the umpteen other USB types that their peripherals use.
As if suddenly, if a computer has a Type C USB port instead of the usual Type A, the cable to connect anything is now called a horrible "adapter", whereas the old old Type A to [whatever] cables that everyone's been using forever are just "cables or something," but mostly definitely not adapters like you'll need for these new MacBooks.
No more buy an expensive Apple PSU with attached cable and MagSafe. If I wanted, I could buy a 3rd-party USB-C-to-USB-C power cable with a magnetic breakaway, but I don't need to because the shallow plug and all day battery life isn't the same issue as it was when MagSafe replaced a very deep plug and battery life that lasted only 2–3 hours.
My assumption is not 10 Gbit/s, it is half of of TB3, ie, 20 Gbit/s.
You can (a) count those 'consumers' at one hand and (b) they really know what they are doing.
Nonsense, TB has a number of advantages over USB-C, speed is just one of them and even the speed would still be twice that of USB-C. Start with daisy-chaining, continue with direct PCIe access and finish with the option of very long (optical) cables, don't forget TB target disk mode and don't discount the option of re-using existing TB devices. All of that is added by making the righthand side ports 'lower-speed' TB3 ports instead of just USB-C ports.
You sound like a sullen child that after hearing that cannot have all the cake is stamping his or her feet and proclaiming that it doesn't want any cake at all.
Sure, but 98% of all customers won't be affected because having only a total bandwidth of 60 Gbit/s (40 Gbit/s for the two left ones and 20 Gbit/s for the two right ones) instead of a total of 80 Gbit/s simply is irrelevant because they never even get close to saturating that bandwidth.
You are really creating a storm in a teacup.
You know full well that that was never an option. Apple considers USB-C as a perfectly fine full replacement for USB-A.
And you don't have to buy a MBP with only TB3 ports right now. You can still buy the previous year model. And if you keep your laptops for at least two years and can plan ahead, you won't need to buy a TB3-only MBP for the next two to three years.
Except that Apple isn't keeping TB2 around. From a compatibility standpoint, the new plug design is the most important change TB3 brings. And those right-side TB ports are clearly TB3 in plug design. And there other benefits of TB3, for example the option to use a cheap passive cable if 20 Gbit/s are enough for you. TB3 also ups the amount of power TB can pass through from 10 W to 100 W, and it makes that bi-directional. Claiming that Apple is keeping TB2 around is simply wrong and you should know it.
Tell me something new. Do PC laptops still have VGA?
Tell me, what incentive would you have to buy a USB-C thumbdrive if all computers still had USB-A ports? You wouldn't switch to USB-C until all computers in your life also had USB-C. The main thing this achieves is to make the transition during which your devices can't use half of the USB ports on your computer longer. Any transition is painful, often it is best to get it over with rather faster than slower.
Not if you use a TB display or TB dock. And what adaptor are you talking about? TB3 to TB2?
That is rich coming from you. Adding USB-A ports would be a much bigger design mismatch.
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Steve Jobs' Apple shipped devices with USB 2.0 in 2010 when everyone else shipped with USB 3.0. Jobs would very much approve of this decision. Like Jobs, Tim Cook is simply following Intel's lead. Steve Jobs adopted USB 3.0 when Intel did. Tim Cook is using the maximum PCIe bandwidth Intel supports.
I'm also surprised the Apple Watch that came out just after the 12" MacBook didn't have a USB-C plug for its PSU. Hopefully everything going forward will be USB-C. I think a USB-C-to-USB-A dongle may be needed for a year or two since so many Macs and WinPCs in use will not have caught up.
I'm ecstatic that USB-C is finally here. Finally a universal port that can do power, data, and video.
Argument might seem stupid to you because you probably don't understand how technology can change. There is nothing close to the horizon? Very short sighted as if you are in charge of inventing new technologies. Also you yourself said it's not a pro device. All I am saying a pro device should be future proof for 3-4 years and thus absolutely isn't.
MagSafe was proprietary, that's gone. Otherwise the only proprietary port they are still using is Lightning.
Then you should be happy to now have four USB ports instead of two.
How is it not? What connector is coming out in the next 4 years that is better than Thunderbolt 3?
I think the transition to USB-C is reasonable, it's better to be able to use a port in multiple ways. However, there is legacy out there and I think Apple should have included an adapter, like they did with the iPhone. Apple should be about making great products, not selling expensive dongles.
I also see no need to remove the MagSafe. Having one USB-C port less if I am on battery is small sacrifice compared to ruining you laptop by dragging it down from the table.
I also see no need to remove the MagSafe. Having one USB-C port less if I am on battery is small sacrifice compared to ruining you laptop by dragging it down from the table.
That is the sad part of it.
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A USB-C to USB-A adaptor can be had quite cheaply from third-party vendors. Same for other kind of adaptors.
This is amazing. The machine sounds like a committee decision. And no USB? PASS!
A bridge too far. No USB, no HDMI, and yet kept the 'ridiculous' headphone jack? Is there a method to their madness? It just doesn't seem to make sense. Well, except to sell more 'adapters'.
A bridge too far. No USB, no HDMI, and yet kept the 'ridiculous' headphone jack? Is there a method to their madness? It just doesn't seem to make sense. Well, except to sell more 'adapters'.
Yeah, there is stored up anger that is pouncing at any opportunity, as small as it may be, to vent itself.Nah. The complaint-factor after an Apple release is always high. People would have still complained.
I went out and purchased last years today! Feels like it fits my needs more, and I don't feel like I am getting ripped off as much! Still a solid machine.