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This is the worst major Apple release ever. Everything about it is suck.

Imagine your friend comes round with some photos on a USB drive:

'Oh, hang on, I did buy a dongle... hell... where did I put it... wait there...'
'I have the SD straight from the camera too!'
'Er... yeah... there's a reader somewhere... think it's on my other computer...'
'Wow that little bar thing lights up!'
'It's good for emojis...'
'And is the screen pressure sensitive? Y'know, for editing photos and stuff...'
'Well, the touch bar's not really big enough for photo editing...'
'Oh, I meant the main screen...'
'That's not a touch screen...'
'Wow... but it looks super light, though. Shame you have that jumble of dongles to deal with... '
Your friend should be using an iPhone and you should have an Apple TV to airplay to ;)
 
Ferrari is the high end product line by Fiat/Chrysler. MacBook Pro is the high end product made by Apple... do you really not understand analogy? High end means NO compromises.

Engineering is all about compromises.
Tyres that have long life have less grip
Carbon Fibre is stronger but more expensive
Engine could be lighter but it would have less HP
Chassis could be closer to the ground, but it could not be driven on standard roads
Engine is limited to the fuel available

ANYTHING that has been engineered is all about the compromises made, and it does not matter who makes it, Apple, Ferrari, Microsoft, Google, Rolls Royce, none of them have magic fairy dust, they all have to make choices and compromises.
 
Of course because Apple saves $5 per unit this way. Apple doesn't care about its customers anymore. The latest crop of products makes that clear.
They do care about customers. Obviously they still need to make money. If they lose 1 customer but gain 2, they're ahead. You may just mean that from your point of view, they don't care as much about the loyal and repeat customers?
 
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Seems strange. If the current limit for Profile 5 at 20V is 5A, why would the MBP draw more than 5A and then damage itself? Shouldn't it be up to the device (MBP in this case) not to draw so much current as to damage itself?
I wondering about that too. Somebody with more knowledge about power supply in USB-C and TB3 needs to chime in. Note that the, eg, the 13" MBP come with a 61-W charger while the 15" MBP comes with an 87-W charger and you can charger the former with the latter's charger without problems. Maybe the circuit tasked with regulating how much amperage the laptop is drawing itself might be fried when a charger with more than 100 W is connected. Seen from the other side, devices with TB3 and USB-C ports might have to be designed to withstand 100 W, but not more and it simply would be the charger that is supplying more than 100 W that is violating the standard.

Interestingly, my Bluetooth headphones, charged via micro USB, also come with a warning that too powerful chargers could damage the device.
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Ferrari is the high end product line by Fiat/Chrysler. MacBook Pro is the high end product made by Apple... do you really not understand analogy? High end means NO compromises.
And DS is the high-end line of PSA (Peugeot-Citroën). By your logic DS models should be compared with Ferraris.
 
This is the worst major Apple release ever. Everything about it is suck.

Imagine your friend comes round with some photos on a USB drive:

'Oh, hang on, I did buy a dongle... hell... where did I put it... wait there...'
'I have the SD straight from the camera too!'
'Er... yeah... there's a reader somewhere... think it's on my other computer...'
'Wow that little bar thing lights up!'
'It's good for emojis...'
'And is the screen pressure sensitive? Y'know, for editing photos and stuff...'
'Well, the touch bar's not really big enough for photo editing...'
'Oh, I meant the main screen...'
'That's not a touch screen...'
'Wow... but it looks super light, though. Shame you have that jumble of dongles to deal with... '

God you sound like one of those "As seen on TV ads"
 
Darn you Apple! You tick me off and then I actually try the new low end MacBook Pro. It works like a dream! The keyboard is noticeably more responsive than the Non-pro MacBook. The speaker sound is amazing. The color and brightness are vibrant! The apps are snappy.

Now just make them $200-300 cheaper next year and we'll try to forget that all this unpleasantness ever happened ;)
 
I went by my local Apple Store today and played with the non-touch bar 13" pro.

In a nutshell, I wasn't huge on the 12" MacBook keyboard - yes the new 13" keyboard is way better in my opinion. The display looked leaps and bounds better. The colors were amazing and truly noticible. The size and weight - above expectations. Lastly, the huge touchpad. I typed perfectly without any trouble and the touchpad felt normal. In a picture it's too big, in person, it's great.
 
Of course because Apple saves $5 per unit this way. Apple doesn't care about its customers anymore. The latest crop of products makes that clear.

How ?
That was said when apple got rid of
The floppy disk (5 1/4 then 3 1/2)
The serial port
Adobe Flash
When Apple put the track pad at the bottom
30 pin iPod connector
Sure I am sad to see the MagSafe go, but ONE cable to connect my laptop to a large screen AND have it charge my laptop too, I can live with that.

The biggest difference between you and Apple is that you hate change where as Apple sees possibilities.
 
Darn you Apple! You tick me off and then I actually try the new low end MacBook Pro. It works like a dream! The keyboard is noticeably more responsive than the Non-pro MacBook. The speaker sound is amazing. The color and brightness are vibrant! The apps are snappy.

Now just make them $200-300 cheaper next year and we'll try to forget that all this unpleasantness ever happened ;)
I actually just posted the same thing!
 
Well stated, but I think there is a distinction between long term profits and short term profits. Apple's current dongle obsession generates short term profits at the expense of the company's long term health. A focus on long term profits would actually service customer needs.

Unfortunately this short term focus isn't unusual. All that's happened is Apple has come to resemble the normal large American corporation. They'll probably go the way of HP: always around, but generally mediocre and entirely attentive to the needs of investors rather than customers or some higher purpose.

History seems to suggest otherwise.

The MacBook Air also had dongle hell of sorts, with users having to get minidisplay adaptors if they wanted to connect their laptops to a projector or external display. That MacBook went on to become Apple's most popular laptop, and for most part, people didn't mind carting around an extra cable or two.

If anything, the new MacBook Pro seems more focused on the future than on the present. I believe there will be more USB C accessories being released in the future, but the reality remains that there are very few of them in the market today.

That's very reminiscent of when Apple dropped support for the floppy disk and flash. They are placing a bet on technologies they feel have a place in our future, while ceasing support for technologies they feel don't. And in the process helping to shape that very future.

To me, that speaks volumes of how farsighted Apple is. They never lose sight of their end goal, and don't let short-term inconveniences distract them from this. How many other companies have the "courage" to make calls like this? The Surface Studio doesn't even ship with a single USB C port!
 
I went by my local Apple Store today and played with the non-touch bar 13" pro.

In a nutshell, I wasn't huge on the 12" MacBook keyboard - yes the new 13" keyboard is way better in my opinion. The display looked leaps and bounds better. The colors were amazing and truly noticible. The size and weight - above expectations. Lastly, the huge touchpad. I typed perfectly without any trouble and the touchpad felt normal. In a picture it's too big, in person, it's great.

Absolutely agree!
 
Engineering is all about compromises.
Tyres that have long life have less grip
Carbon Fibre is stronger but more expensive
Engine could be lighter but it would have less HP
Chassis could be closer to the ground, but it could not be driven on standard roads
Engine is limited to the fuel available

ANYTHING that has been engineered is all about the compromises made, and it does not matter who makes it, Apple, Ferrari, Microsoft, Google, Rolls Royce, none of them have magic fairy dust, they all have to make choices and compromises.
You completely missed the point. Of course there are compromises but priority is given to performance.
 
Not an issue for me. The only extra thing I'll need for my Mac is an adapter with 2 USB A ports, HDMI and a SD card slot. Never in a million years would I need 4 full powered thunderbolt 3 ports and if I did, I'd probably need the power of a 15inch MacBook Pro. The whining here is top notch!


The whining about the whiners is also 5 stars!
In both cases it does nothing to change the subpar "crap" release from Apple.
 
I wondering about that too. Somebody with more knowledge about power supply in USB-C and TB3 needs to chime in. Note that the, eg, the 13" MBP come with a 61-W charger while the 15" MBP comes with an 87-W charger and you can charger the former with the latter's charger without problems. Maybe the circuit tasked with regulating how much amperage the laptop is drawing itself might be fried when a charger with more than 100 W is connected. Seen from the other side, devices with TB3 and USB-C ports might have to be designed to withstand 100 W, but not more and it simply would be the charger that is supplying more than 100 W that is violating the standard.

Interestingly, my Bluetooth headphones, charged via micro USB, also come with a warning that too powerful chargers could damage the device.
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And DS is the high-end line of PSA (Peugeot-Citroën). By your logic DS models should be compared with Ferraris.
I don't know what a DS is. The point, now long lost in this thread, is that Fiat doesn't make a Ferrari that over compromises on performance. The Ferrari product line is about performance and customers expect that PERFORMANCE takes priority. Is this analogy too hard to understand?
 
Apple are pushing USB C and I for one am delighted they are, if you don't have your adapter that's poor preparation!

Poor planning happens. I had to buy a new adapter after traveling to Texas, and somehow, perhaps Freudianly, forgot it. Expensive mistake. Had to find the Apple Store, drive there, find the adapter, buy it, find the car again, get back, charge a nearly dead MacBook Pro. Like poop, it happens...
 
You completely missed the point. Of course there are compromises but priority is given to performance.

Rubbish, priority is given to marketability
The Hennessey Venom GT goes 270mph the Ferrari LaFerrari 217 mph, i.e. the Hennessy is about 20% faster.
the engineering is based on making it legal to use on the roads, cost (normal aspirated motor vs jet engine), manoeuvrability , etc etc, there are thousands of compromises that impacted the performance.
 
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The whining about the whiners is also 5 stars!
In both cases it does nothing to change the subpar "crap" release from Apple.

It's not 'crap'. Lets call it 'sub-par'. 'Missed the mark'. 'Committee decision'?

But it does bring the idea of who the heck Apple thinks is using their products into the forefront.

Whoever is advising them needs to get with the program, and stop making these crazy decisions to make things slimmer, lighter, 'whateverer'...

It's not working.

It's not a good plan. You already have a, what, 5% market share? It's not like there is a lot of market share there to piss off... To alienate... To send to your competitors, that, in case you haven't noticed, have been COPYING YOUR IDEAS and making them better!!!

/rant ;-)
 
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It's not 'crap'. Lets call it 'sub-par'. 'Missed the mark'. 'Committee decision'?

But it does bring the idea of who the heck Apple thinks is using their products into the forefront.

Whoever is advising them needs to get with the program, and stop making these crazy decisions to make things slimmer, lighter, 'whateverer'...

It's not working.

It's not a good plan. You already have a, what, 5% market share? It's not like there is a lot of market share there to piss off... To alienate... To send to your competitors, that, in case you haven't noticed, have been COPYING YOUR IDEAS and making them better!!!

/rant ;-)

When it comes down to it, mostly what the complainers want is a MBP that is cheaper and considerably more traditional and less aggressively forward looking. Well, to be frank, that isn't Apple, and hasn't been Apple since John Sculley decided to allow Mac clones in the early '90's. If that is the kind of computer you want, literally every other manufacturer on the planet caters to you.
 
How many actually need that bandwidth on even ONE port much less 3 to 4? And are actually in the market for the 13" Pro right now? How many were truly planning to get the 13" and hook up 4 TB3 devices that need that bandwidth? How many pay zero attention to far more significant positives, from screen quality to giant trackpad?
I think the base of the complaints are 100% accurate..... Is it really a "pro" machine if the ports are dumbed down?
 
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