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Can we get this back on track? There are plenty of other threads to vent frustration at Apple's design decisions. The fact of the matter is that lots of us are interested in the MacBook Pro, and want to discuss the accessories that are available for it.
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How do you know?

For all anybody knows, some company will introduce a port/tech next year that has nothing to do with USB that the tech world will latch on to.

4 USB c ports and nothing else was too soon.

I hope they suffer for this pitiful decision.
It's highly unlikely. The USB-IF is backed by all the major industry players. We may well get Thunderbolt 4 with better DisplayPort capabilities, but the USB-C port is here to stay and is set to supplant the other variants of USB over the coming years (including USB-A and micro-USB).
 
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Heck I hope USB-C is the last port type before everything goes wireless.

And, although I feel like it's kind of early to change the lightning port on the iPhone/iPad, I think it would make a lot of sense if it were also USB-C. If we get wireless charging in the next iPhone that would mean a few less complaints about changing the port to USB-C.
 
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My wife does not pau her iPhone into her MacBook Air.
Everything is done via wireless
With Printopia we can even use the cheap Brother HL2040 later printer with the IOS devices.
Time machine is wireless
Internet is wireless
we have ATV4 and link to that with our laptops when family is around.
etc etc etc.

we have been wireless for over 2 years already at home.

You keep mentioning your wife's needs in your posts...is it you or your wife that will be using the MBP? If it's not you, then why are you even commenting about this topic? No offence, but it's easy to say these changes don't matter when you're not even going to be the one affected by the changes. And from what you've posted about what your wife's needs (computer wise), it sounds as if a MBA or even a rMB would be fine for her. If that's the case then (again) why are you even commenting about this topic?

Now you're just making things up.

These are still Pro machines by any stretch of the imagination. The entry-level 13" model is meant as a replacement for the 13" Air, so it has the 15w processor of the old Air. The same processor that is used in about 95% of PC's used for 'professional' applications. The more expensive models all still use the 28w/47w parts and the 15" dedicated GPU's that are designed with professional applications in mind rather than gaming or benchmarks. There are few PC's that use these parts, and they all have their own set of compromises. The 47w part especially is true mobile workstation class. The number of PC's using that part is very small. And none of the competition has anywhere near as much available bandwidth as these new machines - maybe not even half of what these have.

The keyboard is a matter of opinion. I happen to think it's better than the old one - and this is coming from someone very particular about keyboards, with custom desktop boards costing hundreds of dollars, and a Thinkpad user for many years in large part for their keyboards. Mac keyboards have been average at best for years. They are too soft without much feedback and lots of backlight bleed. The new board has extremely positive engagement and excellent backlight control. They will continue to refine this and it will be fine.

Lastly, with a few exceptions, Mac laptops have always been premium devices, with prices to reflect that. This is nothing new.

What's your definition of "professional applications"? Where are you pulling this 95% stat? What is a "true mobile workstation class"? And why does being a "premium device" with high prices automatically qualify something as a "Pro machine"?
 
"I disagree with you, so you're wrong"
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"Oh, you dun did it now, boi."
"No u"
"You're so cute! Oh, I just want to feed you little treats!"

Nobody needs this immaturity.

1. Another misrepresentation.

2. Meme humour.

3. Dismissive meme humour.

4. Dismissive humour in response to sarcastic condemnation by unknowledgeable cretin.

Go away, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
1. Another misrepresentation.

2. Meme humour.

3. Dismissive meme humour.

4. Dismissive humour in response to sarcastic condemnation by unknowledgeable cretin.

Go away, you're embarrassing yourself.
I know you're not used to people calling you out on your posting habits, but it's not the end of the world. You can still be a contributing member whenever you choose to be. Going "no u" and talking to people like they're dogs isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
I know you're not used to people calling you out on your posting habits, but it's not the end of the world. You can still be a contributing member whenever you choose to be. Going "no u" and talking to people like they're dogs isn't going to get you anywhere.

Oh, you just keep going on, don't you.
 
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I'm honestly confused outside I guess of the price which really is nothing new . Go look what a MacBook Air cost when it first came out . Do you people have phobias of going wireless in many aspects or apple utilizing technology like USB c /TB3 that will become the standard in a few years . You have to start somewhere and I feel like many of you like to complain but really aren't effected by ports or sd cards , to those of you that are god bless you for having to plug in an adapter that's an inch big . You are the ones with courage
 
Great resource. Thanks MacRumors. That said, I'm tired of Apple requiring these dongles. Looking at a PC ultrabook with actual ports, I'm sorry to say.
 
Sadly it will take something like this to push things along. It took going all USB on the original iMac to make it a standard. If you give people the option of USB or Thunderbolt (as in previous MBP and other models) they'll just go with the cheapest. This move will push people to change.

Ok, honest question here: I have been thinking about the advantage of greater connectivity options as a result of TB 3. +1

I have also been thinking about the claim that the lower bandwidth on the right side of the MBP is a non-issue because even the fastest available hard drives cannot reach the bandwidth provided by the lower bandwidth ports (10GB/s). +1

It is apparent that while a couple of Windows ultrabooks are copying the MacBook by using a single USB-C port, what is driving a large part of TB3 adoption on Windows machines is its ability to connect an eGPU.

It is also clear that Windows machines will likely retain a mixture of USB and TB ports in the near future.

I was really hoping for a compact factor that utilized an eGPU, but Apple didn't even acknowledge this use of TB.

Moreover, it seems USB 3.1 could handle most if not all of the bandwidth requirements required by most people. Do TB 3 hard drives exceed the bandwidth of USB 3.1?

So my question is what benefit Apple users really derive from Apple's decision here?

I am not talking about whether we think Apple had to do this to force USB-C adoption for the sake of posterity. And I am not talking about small issues like how cool it is to charge from any port when an extension cable can handle those duties. I am thinking about the larger picture.

What about eGPUs? Isn't that something which adds convenience, power, and flexibility? Is this design really the future or is it that half-step to the modular computer which will be forgotten by most and missed by none?

I realize an eGPU would use the full bandwidth allotted to both left ports, but is the result we have better than what is being produced by the likes of Dell (XPS) or Razer (Core) which are using TB differently?
 
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Ok, honest question here: I have been thinking about those who are advocating for the greater connectivity options as a result of TB 3. +1

I have also been thinking about those who claim the lower bandwidth on the right side of the MBP is a non-issue because even the fastest available hard drives cannot reach the bandwidth provided by the lower bandwidth ports. +1

It is also clear that while a couple of ultra books are copying the MacBook, what is driving a large part of TB3 adoption on Windows machines is its ability to connect an eGPU.

USB-C can also drive a lot more power to devices than USB-A. It would be great if airports, hotels, etc. upgraded as they renovate. Yes, it will take time, but a lot of those USB-powered tables need replacing after years of service. Since many phones use USB-C it would be good news for owners of those devices, too.

As 2-in-1s become more popular on the Windows side, I think we'll see more USB-C and/or TB3. It's the perfect port for charging a tablet, and it provides good options for docking.
 
Truly stunning that Apple "rewards" a customer who buys their latest iPhone and spends $1800 for a 13" (!!??!!) MBP by insisting they buy a $30 adapter in order to charge their iPhone. Imo, Apple has lost their way...and their minds. I'm already on the fence about iOS vs Android (OnePlus3 phone @ $400 for example), but unfortunately for me and luckily for Apple, Windows 10 isn't particularly seductive. Frankly, I think it's shameful greed by Apple.
 
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Can we get this back on track? There are plenty of other threads to vent frustration at Apple's design decisions. The fact of the matter is that lots of us are interested in the MacBook Pro, and want to discuss the accessories that are available for it.

That's so funny. In Timmy's Apple, "accessories" mean kludges and dongles to make a defective design semi-function.
 
USB-C can also drive a lot more power to devices than USB-A. It would be great if airports, hotels, etc. upgraded as they renovate. Yes, it will take time, but a lot of those USB-powered tables need replacing after years of service. Since many phones use USB-C it would be good news for owners of those devices, too.

As 2-in-1s become more popular on the Windows side, I think we'll see more USB-C and/or TB3. It's the perfect port for charging a tablet, and it provides good options for docking.

Thanks for the reply. I had accidentally hit the post button on my iPhone, so I had to go back and finish my thought.
 
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