Actually it breaks a heap of stuff for me, I use RS232 a lot at work for setting up scientific equipment, downloading run logs off centrifuges and so on. I will have to buy a lot of adaptors when I upgrade, but then I have been working with computers since my TRS-80 clone (which I still own!). I have become so used to change it no longer worries me, I expect it, I figure out a solution, and I carry on.
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Thunderbolt 3/USB-C Adapters, Cables, and Hubs for New MacBook Pro
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Actually it breaks a heap of stuff for me, I use RS232 a lot at work for setting up scientific equipment, downloading run logs off centrifuges and so on. I will have to buy a lot of adaptors when I upgrade, but then I have been working with computers since my TRS-80 clone (which I still own!). I have become so used to change it no longer worries me, I expect it, I figure out a solution, and I carry on.
I'd be very disappointed in Apple if they created a modern laptop with one foot stuck in the past making an otherwise beautiful machine look like a Dell. Just get a $4 adapter and use it when you need it; they're tiny.
MacRumors is pretty tame about this to be honest... check Twitter or Youtube, and the reviews like MobileTechReview (she's literally the nicest, most knowledgeable and impartial multi-OS reviewer there is... and she's pretty damning)
This is not going down well, anywhere.
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Wouldn't it be easier if you didn't have to buy all that crap and it just worked? If you were designing the new MacBook would you really choose to have a 2 dongles permanently attached or would you like them built in?
You can spin it and look on the bright side but I don't see how this it is an improvement to compromise. Why not have it all. "A flagship laptop you plug your stuff into"
No its not, its an engineering marvel that they can fit that much computer into something that small. Just ONE USB-C port has far more throughput than ALL of the ports of my mid 2011MBP combined.
Those legacy ports could have added another $100-200 or more on top of that $500 you are complaining about.
My first "portable" computer was a Kaypro 4.
See, I have bluetooth headphones, and like most bluetooth headphones, they charge via micro USB to USB-So how many bluetooth headphones can charge directly to the Macbook? none? Horrible!
To Apple:
Tim.. just GTFO and leave. Take Ivys with you. You guys can make a company that sells polished metal stands
Apple changed things without asking them.
Combine that with the fact they are so fixated on what they currently have, none of them can see the future.
Been there, lived through this when the first iMac came out. Same hysteria, same demands, just a different day.
I think now most people are getting how thing's going WITH and WITHOUT Mr.Jobs.
So many dongles... what do those pictures remind me of?
That's right....
Funny how things change.
That this is a great Air update... but not, in any sense, the Pro machine it was. It's an Air at Pro+ prices.
It's also taken the worst premium-line keyboard there is - the Macbook - and slapped it on replacing one of the best-in-class - the old Pro board. If you take the 4 or 5 manufacturers who now make premium level machines... this release is internally behind the rest's released machines... in their previous generation.
It's seriously threatening Apple's two computer niches: students and creative professionals: the former priced out and with much better 2016 options (the Surface/XPS lines), and the latter actually being seduced by Microsoft after 3 years of complete neglect by Apple (after spending years wooing them).
Wont add anything nor improve much on lightning port the phone already have, what they could do is include the lightning to usb-c cable in the box for new iphones.
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I have Bluetooth active noise cancelling headphones, I charge them using my iPhone charger, or the iPad one, or any of the other USB outlets I have. The cable is quite short (about 12 inches), that hanging off my laptop while I use it on my lap would be horrid. AND, they charge at home while I am at work with my laptop... bloody MIRACLE that is.
And USB-C being an international standard will mean that cheap adaptors will not be far away.
All this hysteria over a problem you do not currently have and will be solved by the time you need it.
I keep reading that and keep wondering.
I HATE the MB's keyboard. Like seriously, it would be a total deal-breaker for me. But, I got to try out the new MBP without Touch Bar a couple days ago and this keyboard is nothing like the MB one. I got along just fine right away.
No, what I don't understand is why they didn't kill the lightning port too and just mooed to USB Con the iPhone 7. I'm very convinced they'll do that next year, which in their logic makes perfect sense because by that time "everything will be wireless anyway" and even the charging. But people will have bought lightning earphones (i really hope nobody buys them but instead everyone goes wireless straight away).
But I think they should've made a big cut this year and make the iPhone USB c.
But people shouldn't complain so much about the dongles. Instead, look at how crazy powerful one port has become. The bandwidth and connectivity of this thing is enormous! One hub and you're good to go, only that now you can have dozens of devices connected to the MacBook instead of in the early days with let's say a simple USB hub.
My wife does not pau her iPhone into her MacBook Air.
Everything is done via wireless
With Printopia we can even use the cheap Brother HL2040 later printer with the IOS devices.
Time machine is wireless
Internet is wireless
we have ATV4 and link to that with our laptops when family is around.
etc etc etc.
we have been wireless for over 2 years already at home.
This computer should have been a serious blow your mind upgrade. It's been years. Looks like most people would be happy with similar size MacBook Pro that has up to 32gb memory and a mix of USB c and old USB ports.
It should have been touch screen too IMO and make an awesome iPad Pro/ MacBook Pro combo. Perfect for designers.
Then release this MacBook Pro as a larger MacBook. Simples
The biggest complainers are the ones who
a) dont have a problem because they dont own a new machine anyway
b) Have not seen one or used one
c) Are unable to see the future
You better be real confident those adapters won't short out and destroy your MBP. Benson Leung is a Google engineer who was testing USB-C adapters, cables, and hubs, after a cheap USB-C cable destroyed his laptop. He has lost two more laptops while testing different brands and is now taking a hiatus as a result.
This issue of power pass-through was discussed on MR previously when it was made known that Apple's own multi port AV adapter with power pass-through only pushes 60W and so is unable to charge the 15" MBP while being used.
I'm glad you're so optimistic about OWC, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them. I will wait until someone actually demonstrates a hub with power pass-through working properly before even considering to purchase the new MBP.
I own a MBA 2013, so I will answer you.
I have needed an Ethernet adapter in order to troubleshoot my router on several occasions.
I used my HDMI port regularly until I purchased an AppleTV.
I plug in thumb drives all the time, in addition to using DropBox.
I use both TB and USB hard drives every day.
Apple's decision is not a molehill for me. I expected to buy an adapter or cable with the advance of TB--no big deal. This happened to me with FireWire as well, but it is an advance in one technology. When USB transitioned from 2.0 to 3.0, I gradually updated peripherals. I still have a mix for different reasons.
But the other changes were transitional. USB 2 worked with USB 3, you just didn't always get the highest speed on older peripherals. Most of the time, only one, maybe two ports changed, but the adapters needed did not cost an average of $25 each and I usually only needed one new cable or adapter. The biggest problem here is that a computer with only USB-C creates an acute moment of change rather than allowing for a more gradual transition. The high cost of proper (i.e., not cheap Chinese knock offs that will destroy your PC) adapters, the need for adapters for not one thing but for everything, the lack of appropriate adapters in some cases (a person should never plug an adapter into an adapter), and the inability of adapters to function properly (I'm looking at you power pass-through), just demonstrate just how early we are into the lifecycle of USB-C and just how unprepared Apple was for this transition. If Apple wants to go all-in on USB-C, fine, but they should have ensured properly functioning adapters were available for or provided to its customers in order to smooth the transition. That's what the best companies do.
These factors and the increased cost of the Mac coupled with some of the design and product (e.g., no grounded power cord) decisions made by Apple brought about the perfect storm and these forums are a reflection of that.
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I've never heard anyone saying that the previous generation MBPs "looked like a Dell", even though they had not only three type-A ports, but also HDMI and an SD card slot in addition to Apple's previous wonder port (Thunderbolt 2). In fact, I've never heard anyone complaining about these ports "from the past" (which are actually what the world is using in the present) before the new model came out (and with it the Apple defense force).
That's precisely the kind of adapter you lose and/or forget unless you only use it at home.
Great... that's a perfect argument why the Macbook and/or Air should do that.
That's not a professional workplace.
johnnyturbouk
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I thought the same thing. what the hell is apple thinking. But since i've had my iPhone 7 and haven't once been in a situation where i missed the headphone adapter. Bluetooth speakers, airplay, lighting connector in my car...... i willing bet it'll be the same for the new macbook pro
johnnyturbouk
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I have my iMac, rMBP, 2 iPads, iPhone, nexus , and a surface. My wifi is fairly crowded to say the least. I've just upgraded to my second tripleband wireless AC router and I still don't feel it compares to my wired Ethernet hub. I also have a smart switch with LACP utilising dual Ethernet on my home qnap server, in short, for reliability and performance nothing beats a wired setup.