So many dongles... what do those pictures remind me of?
That's right....
Funny how things change.
Ever heard of the terms 'misrepresentative' or 'false equivalency'? Nice attempt at flaming, though.
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Ever heard of the terms 'misrepresentative' or 'false equivalency'? Nice attempt at flaming, though.
So why didn't Apple include a few dongles or at least a USB-c to USB dongle?
Bravery.
Bravery.
By the way, on another forum, I saw this:
"After the Hello Again event, a friend sent me a vid in which SJ talks about Xerox and "Toner Heads" and how he thinks that Apple now suffers from the same disease:
I came across this pic today on twitter: all the dongles that Apple sells. A lot of the functionality that your computer used to be able to do has now been delegated to expensive dongles.
Apple's now run by "Dongle Heads".
"
LMAO at Dongle Heads!!!!! And Apple should rename their Apple Stores to Adapter Stores.
Great vid! Well found
Now you're just making things up.
These are still Pro machines by any stretch of the imagination. The entry-level 13" model is meant as a replacement for the 13" Air, so it has the 15w processor of the old Air. The same processor that is used in about 95% of PC's used for 'professional' applications. The more expensive models all still use the 28w/47w parts and the 15" dedicated GPU's that are designed with professional applications in mind rather than gaming or benchmarks. There are few PC's that use these parts, and they all have their own set of compromises. The 47w part especially is true mobile workstation class. The number of PC's using that part is very small. And none of the competition has anywhere near as much available bandwidth as these new machines - maybe not even half of what these have.
The keyboard is a matter of opinion. I happen to think it's better than the old one - and this is coming from someone very particular about keyboards, with custom desktop boards costing hundreds of dollars, and a Thinkpad user for many years in large part for their keyboards. Mac keyboards have been average at best for years. They are too soft without much feedback and lots of backlight bleed. The new board has extremely positive engagement and excellent backlight control. They will continue to refine this and it will be fine.
Lastly, with a few exceptions, Mac laptops have always been premium devices, with prices to reflect that. This is nothing new.
Well the idea is the lightning headphones with the iPhone are just a stopgap until the AirPods come out in October. Then you use the AirPods with the phone and crapbook pro.
Of course now Apple's screwed up the AirPods just like everything else Timmy touches.
Probably because lightning is being replaced by USB C next year.
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Oh, you dun did it now, boi.
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No u
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Good riddance.
How is that flaming at all? That same image was used in the past decade to make fun of PC users. He's quite right posting that same image again considering the Surface lineup is way more sleek than the Mac lineup, and it doesn't require a handful of dongles and adapters.
I calculated that assuming i buy everything from apple store i need 120 bucks worth of dongles and cables just to put me in the same state as i am with 2014 rMBP.
Sorry, Timmy doesn't have all the metrics. I always set up Macs for myself and others to not send information in to Apple.
It still doesn't provide enough power for the new MBPs.
Yep. No need for adapters. I would still use all those wires now, but with adapters in between. So much more elegant with adapters, right?
Oh come on. That's nonsense. If your statement is true, the USB-C revolution is already dead. Windows PCs make up ~90% of all PCs and 99% have USB-A. Claiming Apple's decision whether or not to include one USB-A port will determine the future of USB-C is a hugely exaggerated overstatement.
If you're not ready to step up to a modern laptop, simply keep using your 2014 MBP.
Problem solved.
Idk maybe it's because I'm getting too old or maybe it's because I've had to "suffer" thru many iterations of technological advances.
Sure it'd be wonderful if Apple was perfect and every design and tech decision allowed for easy transitions into new tech. But the world and Apple aren't perfect. And transitions can be painful.
This was life with a PowerBook G3 circa 1998
You had modules that plugged into your PowerBook instead of dongles. You had batteries, cd, floppy, zip and only 2 could be used at the same time.
So if you wanted to work without a plug. You were swapping out the other 3 regularly. As the battery took up one port.
You had PCMCIA cards for everything. Dial up modem, FireWire, ethernet, various camera and memory cards etc. but you could only use one at a time.
As time went forward each of these modules became built in, batteries became built in, ports became built in. But this was the sacrifice "we" made during transitional times.
These were the dongles of yesteryear. So if all I had to carry around was a tiny docking station to have connectivity during a transition. I'd be ecstatic. It's a matter of perspective.
Not saying there aren't legitimate arguements to be made or that in 2016 there couldn't be different paths that could have been taken.
Just saying there are always points in tech advancement where peripheral interfaces become "legacy" and some form of adapter becomes the crossover interface to the modern interface.
Right now Apple is making the decision that anything that's not using the USB-C form factor will be a legacy interface in the very near future. You will need adapters to support interface the peripherals that aren't.
Is change painless? Not a chance. Will it simplify everything going forward. Absolutely.
I for one don't miss changing network id's on daisy chained scsi peripherals trying to find that magic recipe that allowed all the devices to work until they didn't because you moved one cable or added another device. I don't miss the massive VGA cable or CRT's. I don't miss ADB, ADC, ADC to DVI adapter, the various FireWire flavors or the 30 pin connector.
I won't miss fighting with USB-A or watching hdmi, lightning (though that may be the last to go) or the 3.5mm jack die horrible technology deaths.
I for one welcome our new USB-C and whatever 802.11x flavor is popular with the kids that month overlords.
But dongles and docks I'll take over modules and expansion cards any day. If the worst problems in our lives is we need a adapter of some sort to use a legacy peripheral. Then I think we all are having a pretty decent life.
But after literally reading every post in this thread. You'd think the apocalypse had started and Tim Cook was kicking puppies with Jony Ive was critiquing his form.
The new mbp may be for you. Maybe it isn't. But damn. Things can always be worse. Besides some of the issues are process related with intel and die shrinks.
It wasn't too long ago when Apple faced a similar situation with the 970 and G5 Mac Pro. You know. When it literally shipped with a radiator and liquid cooling. That drove Apple to intel. They were ready. OS X was already ported and ready to go.
If intel keeps having issues and amd isn't a viable alternative. I do not doubt there are plans already underway to either create a hybrid x86/arm solution or full arm transition. I don't see Apple subjecting themselves to the G5 fiasco for very long if there's a technical solution that's feasible.
Enjoy the technical revolution you live in and relax. Life's too short to get worked up over dongles
Sure it'd be wonderful if Apple was perfect and every design and tech decision allowed for easy transitions into new tech. But the world and Apple aren't perfect. And transitions can be painful.
This was life with a PowerBook G3 circa 1998
You had modules that plugged into your PowerBook instead of dongles. You had batteries, cd, floppy, zip and only 2 could be used at the same time.
So if you wanted to work without a plug. You were swapping out the other 3 regularly. As the battery took up one port.
You had PCMCIA cards for everything. Dial up modem, FireWire, ethernet, various camera and memory cards etc. but you could only use one at a time.
As time went forward each of these modules became built in, batteries became built in, ports became built in. But this was the sacrifice "we" made during transitional times.
These were the dongles of yesteryear. So if all I had to carry around was a tiny docking station to have connectivity during a transition. I'd be ecstatic. It's a matter of perspective.
Not saying there aren't legitimate arguements to be made or that in 2016 there couldn't be different paths that could have been taken.
Just saying there are always points in tech advancement where peripheral interfaces become "legacy" and some form of adapter becomes the crossover interface to the modern interface.
Right now Apple is making the decision that anything that's not using the USB-C form factor will be a legacy interface in the very near future. You will need adapters to support interface the peripherals that aren't.
Is change painless? Not a chance. Will it simplify everything going forward. Absolutely.
I for one don't miss changing network id's on daisy chained scsi peripherals trying to find that magic recipe that allowed all the devices to work until they didn't because you moved one cable or added another device. I don't miss the massive VGA cable or CRT's. I don't miss ADB, ADC, ADC to DVI adapter, the various FireWire flavors or the 30 pin connector.
I won't miss fighting with USB-A or watching hdmi, lightning (though that may be the last to go) or the 3.5mm jack die horrible technology deaths.
I for one welcome our new USB-C and whatever 802.11x flavor is popular with the kids that month overlords.
But dongles and docks I'll take over modules and expansion cards any day. If the worst problems in our lives is we need a adapter of some sort to use a legacy peripheral. Then I think we all are having a pretty decent life.
But after literally reading every post in this thread. You'd think the apocalypse had started and Tim Cook was kicking puppies with Jony Ive was critiquing his form.
The new mbp may be for you. Maybe it isn't. But damn. Things can always be worse. Besides some of the issues are process related with intel and die shrinks.
It wasn't too long ago when Apple faced a similar situation with the 970 and G5 Mac Pro. You know. When it literally shipped with a radiator and liquid cooling. That drove Apple to intel. They were ready. OS X was already ported and ready to go.
If intel keeps having issues and amd isn't a viable alternative. I do not doubt there are plans already underway to either create a hybrid x86/arm solution or full arm transition. I don't see Apple subjecting themselves to the G5 fiasco for very long if there's a technical solution that's feasible.
Enjoy the technical revolution you live in and relax. Life's too short to get worked up over dongles
USB A is the standard everyone uses today your argument is completely wrong. As the other guy replied. It is not used by few it used by tons and the immediate price cuts and dismal upcoming sales will dictate this.
Your post is so at odds with reality, it's hard to believe you're making it in good faith.
My point is that by going "all-in" they are making a bold statement that USB-C should be the present, and not a distant future, similar to the statement that Apple made in 1998 when they adopted USB-A in the first place. Apple didn't put in a series of USB-A ports and leave one ADB port in the iMac to ease the transition. The iMac went all-in on USB, and then the Pro models followed thereafter. Last year the MacBook (consumer) went all-in on USB-C, and this year the MacBook Pro followed with a more powerful version.
If those 2W's are a deal breaker for you. Then you are right. There are no solutions in existence and the MBP is going to bring nothing but sorrow into your life.
We'll see. I think we will see price cuts in the future, but a lot of consumers will be attracted to the new features and won't mind a few adapters in the interim.
How do you know?
For all anybody knows, some company will introduce a port/tech next year that has nothing to do with USB that the tech world will latch on to.
4 USB c ports and nothing else was too soon.
I hope they suffer for this pitiful decision.