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Tiger Available April 29th

My hope is that with time SadSwitcher will see the bright side. It's best not to make a permanent decision while being upset. Don't know your age, but you should take this as a lesson learned and move on with your life. I agree also that after you have cooled down, maybe tomorrow, try calling Apple at the 800 number. Ask for a supervisor and explain your situation, just be sure to be calm and polite.
 
ZildjianKX said:
The person who mentioned iWorks requires a serial brought up an interesting point:

Do you think Tiger will require a serial?

I'm also curious why the Radeon 9800 Pro was axed from their graphics card list.
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Tiger isn't serialized. That's Windows your thinking of ;)
 
kenaustus said:
If the manager of the Apple Store will not honor the rep's statement then back up you data and tell them you are going to return the Mac and will then buy one that will have Tiger for free (actually about $19.95).

Also let the manager know about the BBB complaint and advise him you are forwarding a copy to Apple. Managers don't like problems and they certainly don't like the home office know they aren't taking care of an unhappy customer.

As for Apple's policy, they do have to have a cut off policy and they have set the date of the announcement as the cut off date. The validity of your argument is based on what an Apple rep told you and you have a right to assume good faith. In general, the policy is a reasonable one and a lot of potential buyers have been waiting for todays announcement before buying their Macs.
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To boot the rep doesn't know when the release date and until the date is announced it is not in any way set in stone, although they are shooting for a particular date. Like someone else said you bought and paid for a computer with Panther. Panther is a great operating system. You have not been gipped you have just unfortunately happened to need to purchase a computer so close to a new OS release date. Which you could have either gone without a computer and wait and see when the release was, or you could have bought a computer when you did and bought what you bought. You have not been short changed you have not been screwed by Apple. They have to release new software and hardware at some point. This is how things work. If you bought a car that was a year model 2005 and expect to get a free upgrade to a 2006 model because you HAD to buy a car just before the 2006s were released you'd be laughed out of the dealership. You still bought and paid for a car and it still drives you to work. Take some responsibility and just chalk it up to experience.
 
latergator116 said:
That's pretty stupid. I wonder why they don't have an option to order CD's in the first place.
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Because CDs are old news. CDs are to today what Floppies were 5 years ago. DVDs are alot cheaper to make and hold alot more info. CD-Roms are at the end of their useful lifespan.
 
XP $93 - Think about finding a better price

Peace said:
This situation is the same as any Windows O/S..with one HUGE exception

Windows XP Pro retail costs $269.99 (Amazon)
XP upgrade cost $189.00 (Amazon)
Tiger 10.4 cost $129.99

Think about it..
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XP Home OEM $93
XP Pro OEM $146

http://www.newegg.com/app/searchPro...&DEPA=0&bop=and&description=xp&InnerManu=1149

Please be realistic about comparing prices - if you're one of the rare people who are building a system, you know how to get the software at a reasonable price.
 
I just wish that Apple would offer an upgrade price for those of us who buy every major upgrade. Why not offer an $80 upgrade price for those users who bought 10.3 (not necessarily the ones who got it free with a computer).
 
Has Apple noticed a typo in their screenshots of Spotlight?

Here
Here too
And here

Someone at Apple needs to go back to school to learn one of the basic tenets of punctuation:

Don't use an apostrophe to denote a plural!

Apple seems to think that the plural of "To Do" is "To Do's". It's not! No apostrophe needed. It's not a contraction and it doesn't indicate possession.

Yes, I know it's *very* pedantic, but it annoys the hell out of me. Time to write an email to Apple complaining about this very serious(!) issue. I wonder whether it will be possible to hack the strings used by Spotlight (assuming it suffers from the same affliction in the release version) and erase that errant apostrophe?
 
swissmann said:
I just wish that Apple would offer an upgrade price for those of us who buy every major upgrade. Why not offer an $80 upgrade price for those users who bought 10.3 (not necessarily the ones who got it free with a computer).
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Two words...

Education Discount. Use it.
 
SadSwitcher said:
I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on…..
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Unlike poor SadSwitcher I was, to use his analogy, practically romanced with a nice dinner, flowers and coffee back a Apple’s place after which one thing lead to another and I stayed the night only to find Apple had woken before me and cooked breakfast when I bought my first Mac. Unbeknownst to me I’d ordered it a couple of weeks before the OS upgrade was released/shipped and was expecting it to arrive with OXX 10.? When it turned up it had a total of 3OS’s (OS9, OSX10.? & OSX10.2)

SadSwitcher said:
…One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.
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It’s funny how in this, your 2nd post I think, the Apple sales assistant tells you that;

Tiger will be free if released in 14days from THEN and that it wasn’t out THEN and that he didn’t THINK it would be out for some time

but in later post it comes across that he reeled you in with unspeakable lies.

I can just imagine the throbbing vein in your neck as your face turn bright red as you smash out your anger on the keyboard.

Even if he was privy to the release date of 29th April he didn’t lie saying it would be free to customers who purchase in the 14days prior to that date and he didn’t lie saying it wasn’t out then. It’s fair to say he wouldn’t have known the release date so in saying that in his opinion it wouldn’t be out for some time he wasn’t lying either and furthermore was implying that if you buy now you’re going to have to pay for Tiger, and this is proven not to be a lie also.

SadSwitcher said:
….Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers…
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Strictly speaking your OS will only be outdated once the new OS is released, 20days after you purchased it. Will it be useless even a year from now? No.
 
Sorry I don't feel sorry for anyone who buys something before upgrades, sales, rebates, etc. NO MATTER WHAT THE PRODUCT.

I went to Circuit City and bought a 1GB Flash card for my camera, 3 days later that same Flash card went on sale for 25$ less, complain? Nope because I have enough common sense to know I bought it before the sale.

I went into a clothing store and bought 3 shirts at 50$ apiece. 1 Week later the same shirts were 2 for 50$, whine and rant? Nope I went in and got two more because I have too much class to be whiner.

I bought a new car in September of the year, 2 weeks later next years models showed up on the lot completely re-designed and slightly cheaper, picket outside the dealership and call the local news station? No, was happy with my new car because I don't want to go through life complaing about what I don't have when some people in the world have NOTHING.

Be happy for what you have instead of wanting what you don't and blaming others for it.
 
bosrs1 said:
Because CDs are old news. CDs are to today what Floppies were 5 years ago. DVDs are alot cheaper to make and hold alot more info. CD-Roms are at the end of their useful lifespan.
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And yet on the same token Tiger is supported on several Mac models that didn't necessarily have a DVD-ROM drive shipped back before Combo drives were standard.
 
eji said:
It's good that 10.4 is finally announced. I had gotten a bit sick of drumming my fingers waiting for Apple to highlight something besides iPods.

But the announcement might not be able to overshadow the fact that Intel has begun shipping dual-core x86 processors. This leaves Apple with a shiny new 64-bit OS running on passé hardware -- unless, of course, they announce the dual-core Quad PowerMac G5 at NAB, which some posts earlier than mine say is unlikely due to the "three week rule" of Apple.com front page highlights, though ThinkSecret suggests otherwise.
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The Intel dual core is a piece of junk anyway. Unlike the AMD, IBM and Sun dual core processors, the Intel kludge uses the off-chip memory bus for communication between the cores. What crap. The Pentium dual-core barely runs 50% faster than a single core, at the same clock rate.
 
up-to-date ships earlier??

first off, for everyone complaining about the up-to-date program when they just ordered their computers a couple days ago, calm down. i got my powerbook as a replacement for an old one more than 2 weeks ago, i put the S/N in and the sale date as April 12th, and i got approved for the upgrade. might as well try before you do all this complaining:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

ALSO....

my order status for the up-to-date tiger lists the ship date as ON OR BEFORE 4/15/05... i don't want to read too much into this, but it would obviously be sweet if it shipped then. what do you guys think?

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Patriotsv4 said:
And look at the seller rating on the $68 one, 3 stars out of 5 with 203 reviews. Also thats an upgrade, meaning you HAVE to do Windows Upgrae(no reformat and reinstall) which is crappy. Also you need Windows 2000.

But why are we talking about Windows? :p
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you can do a reformat and reinstall as long as you have a full version and serial number of any previous version of windows, even if its windows 3.11. you just need to put the media in right before installation starts so it can check it.
 
Patriotsv4 said:
And look at the seller rating on the $68 one, 3 stars out of 5 with 203 reviews. Also thats an upgrade, meaning you HAVE to do Windows Upgrae(no reformat and reinstall) which is crappy. Also you need Windows 2000.

But why are we talking about Windows? :p
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Because that's what AidenShaw does on these forums. He talks about Windows and Dell most of the time.
 
mxpiazza said:
first off, for everyone complaining about the up-to-date program when they just ordered their computers a couple days ago, calm down. i got my powerbook as a replacement for an old one more than 2 weeks ago, i put the S/N in and the sale date as April 12th, and i got approved for the upgrade. might as well try before you do all this complaining:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

ALSO....

my order status for the up-to-date tiger lists the ship date as ON OR BEFORE 4/15/05... i don't want to read too much into this, but it would obviously be sweet if it shipped then. what do you guys think?
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You need to provide a receipt of the purchase so its not likely that will work. They just arn't gonna send you Tiger, otherwise everyone would be doing that.
 
daveL said:
the Intel kludge uses the off-chip memory bus for communication between the cores. What crap. The Pentium dual-core barely runs 50% faster than a single core, at the same clock rate.
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So, in other words, it's like a dual PowerMac.

You know, of course, that your "50%" figure is entirely application dependent. Some apps will get more (even close to 100%), others less.

In other words, just like a dual PowerMac.

So, is the dual PM "junk" as well - since the CPUs communicate over the system bus?
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Is it any surprise that the first generation dual cores aren't going to have every bell and whistle imaginable?
 
Yvan256 said:
In my opinion it does indeed absolutely really means nothing else new for about 3 weeks.

Think about it. Would they put a "17 days until Tiger" counter on the front page, only to put it in a small box if something else came out? Would they put "PowerMac Quad G5" in a small box, also?
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This was probably already mentioned, but they put the Jaguar countdown in a small box when something else was announced. I can't remember what it was, iTunes maybe?

Either way, I'm happy. Just ordered mine through the website, but will probably go to an Apple store to get all the freebies. Good thing about living in LA: lots of stores to choose from! Apple store hopping, anyone?

Fishes,
narco.
 
I just wonder why the Pismo isn't supported. It certainly is better specc'ed than the clamshells that are supported, and some of the the B&W's, too.

Maybe I'll just leave Panther on the iBook & Pismo since they aren't really in heavy rotation anymore. The mini has taken on the brunt of my work anyway.
 
Patriotsv4 said:
You need to provide a receipt of the purchase so its not likely that will work. They just arn't gonna send you Tiger, otherwise everyone would be doing that.
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nope, you are mistaken, go and try to put your serial number in, and it wont let you. they have a database of serial numbers that match the sale dates of the machines, i did this last year with panther as well, when i bought my machine about 2 weeks before the up-to-date start time.

not EVERYONE could be doing it, because not everyone has a serial number that the form will accept. i did this last year, no reciept needs to be provided or anything, as long as it accepts your serial number, it throws it into your cart... and as evidenced by my screen grab, it obviously wasn't an issue for me.
 
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