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Tiger Available April 29th

Bern said:
Take a look at the Tech Specs for Tiger:-
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

Listed in included software is only iTunes, there is no other iLife applications listed.

Does that mean we have to buy iLife '05 seperately? Will we be able to install it from our original installations discs that came with our Macs? (I have the Rev D PowerBook and iLife '05 is on it's disc)
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Of course you can! If you haven't noticed there's a separate "install additional programs" or something on the install dvd. also, I remember ilife coming on a separate disc anyway.. at least with some computers, might be just after the launch when they hadn't put it in yet.
 
I'm in the same boat as SadSwicher, but I'm not complaining

I knew this would happen. I've been holding off on a PowerBook purchase for months, hoping for a Tiger release announcement, but I couldn't wait any longer, so I bought on Friday (April 8). I figured, after Tiger didn't show on the 1st, it'd probably be WWDC before it was announced and I couldn't wait that long, so I went ahead.

Turns out I shoulda waited. I can't get the purchase re-rung, because I've already sent in the registration. Them's the hazards, I guess. I'll try sweetalking Apple, to see if I can get special dispensation, but I don't expect it. I'll probably wind up buying it, but given that I'll be paying out of my pocket, I'll wait until any bugs have emerged and gotten squashed by the 10.4.1 update.

At any rate, while I fully appreciate the frustration of *just missing* a big update, I don't think you can bitch about it. Whenever an announcement is made, someone will have *just missed* it, and will feel screwed. It's inevitable. If you're really concerned about that sort of thing, pay closer attention to rumour sites like this one, and don't buy anything when there's an impending announcement.

Cheers
 
skinsfan00atg said:
As has been reported, there is a list of cards that support Core Image listed at: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/ . I have been waiting to buy a my first mac, the mac mini until tiger was announced so that I could get the up-to-date program. I now see that the video card the mini ships with, the ATI Radeon 9200 is not listed as able to handle Core Image. Is this correct? I could be stupid, but is Apple marketing a new OS, part of which cant be handled by their new hot product? PLEASE HELP, I WANT TO ORDER MY MINI, but I want to make sure I should. I know there has been rumors of a mini upgrade, but nothing definite, so what should I do.
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All this means is that the *GPU* can't be used directly to implement CoreImage; it doesn't mean the mini can't use CoreImage at all. If your machine doesn't have a GPU capable of implementing CoreImage, then it's implemented with the CPU. Lighten up.
 
paulypants said:
Sorry I don't feel sorry for anyone who buys something before upgrades, sales, rebates, etc. NO MATTER WHAT THE PRODUCT.

I went to Circuit City and bought a 1GB Flash card for my camera, 3 days later that same Flash card went on sale for 25$ less, complain? Nope because I have enough common sense to know I bought it before the sale.

I went into a clothing store and bought 3 shirts at 50$ apiece. 1 Week later the same shirts were 2 for 50$, whine and rant? Nope I went in and got two more because I have too much class to be whiner.

I bought a new car in September of the year, 2 weeks later next years models showed up on the lot completely re-designed and slightly cheaper, picket outside the dealership and call the local news station? No, was happy with my new car because I don't want to go through life complaing about what I don't have when some people in the world have NOTHING.

Be happy for what you have instead of wanting what you don't and blaming others for it.
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I totally agree. This is the IT business, I guess people forgot the "old" saying that goes "your computer is outdated the second you take it out of the store." Technology is always progressing, where will you draw the line? I'm sure SadSwitcher would be just as pissed if it were a couple weeks over, or even a month.

Truth is, Tiger rumors have been going around a lot lately, that should have been his first sign to wait. Whenever iPod rumors start, I put mine on eBay and wait for the new one. Works every time, and most of the time I don't even have to put a penny towards the new model.

It's all about researching your product, before you buy the product. SadSwitcher has learned a valuable lesson.

Fishes,
narco.
 
bryanc said:
I knew this would happen. I've been holding off on a PowerBook purchase for months, hoping for a Tiger release announcement, but I couldn't wait any longer, so I bought on Friday (April 8). I figured, after Tiger didn't show on the 1st, it'd probably be WWDC before it was announced and I couldn't wait that long, so I went ahead.

Turns out I shoulda waited. I can't get the purchase re-rung, because I've already sent in the registration. Them's the hazards, I guess. I'll try sweetalking Apple, to see if I can get special dispensation, but I don't expect it. I'll probably wind up buying it, but given that I'll be paying out of my pocket, I'll wait until any bugs have emerged and gotten squashed by the 10.4.1 update.

At any rate, while I fully appreciate the frustration of *just missing* a big update, I don't think you can bitch about it. Whenever an announcement is made, someone will have *just missed* it, and will feel screwed. It's inevitable. If you're really concerned about that sort of thing, pay closer attention to rumour sites like this one, and don't buy anything when there's an impending announcement.

Cheers
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when your powerbook comes, just try and put the serial number in the up-to-date page with the sale date as the 12th... if it worked for me with a powerbook that came 2 weeks ago, i dont see why it wouldnt work for you. maybe i lucked out because mine was a replacement machine, but its at least worth a shot to fill out a 4-field long web form.
 
mxpiazza said:
first off, for everyone complaining about the up-to-date program when they just ordered their computers a couple days ago, calm down. i got my powerbook as a replacement for an old one more than 2 weeks ago, i put the S/N in and the sale date as April 12th, and i got approved for the upgrade. might as well try before you do all this complaining:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

ALSO....

my order status for the up-to-date tiger lists the ship date as ON OR BEFORE 4/15/05... i don't want to read too much into this, but it would obviously be sweet if it shipped then. what do you guys think?

attached: screen grab of order status
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Mine listed on or before 4/15/05, and it shipped yesterday. Needless to say I'm a little bummed.
 
mxpiazza said:
nope, you are mistaken, go and try to put your serial number in, and it wont let you. they have a database of serial numbers that match the sale dates of the machines, i did this last year with panther as well, when i bought my machine about 2 weeks before the up-to-date start time.

not EVERYONE could be doing it, because not everyone has a serial number that the form will accept. i did this last year, no reciept needs to be provided or anything, as long as it accepts your serial number, it throws it into your cart... and as evidenced by my screen grab, it obviously wasn't an issue for me.
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Hmm something sort of strange. I purchased my Mini March 19th so I tried the up to date thing for the heck of it. I entered my serial and March 19th as the date and it doesn't work, so I tryed April 12th and it did work, ok I had to think there is some catch. I looked at the terms and conditions and saw this:

To receive your Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger upgrade, you must complete the order form and provide a photocopy of a dated, itemized sales receipt or packing slip indicating the marketing part number(s) of the qualifying system(s) purchased.
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Is the marketing part number the same as the serial number? I'm going to assume so because it wouldn't make sense for them to charge me $10 and send me some order form.

Thanks for your help!
 
SadSwitcher said:
I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

I don't have thousands of dollars (or hundreds) laying around like many of you it seems. I bought what computer I could afford and don't have the $$ to spend on more software for it at this time. Don't bother saying you don't feel sorry, I'm not asking you to.

One happy customer will tell a few people. One disgruntled customer will climb to the highest mountaintop and scream his displeasure to all. I know which category I'm in.

Now where'd that BitTorrent client go.....
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Would it make you happier if Apple just gave Tiger away on the streets like government cheese? You knew Tiger was coming; it was important to you; why didn't you wait?

Apple obviously has to establish some kind of cutoff date. If you bought your Mac before that date, you don't get the benefit of the upgrade. I just don't see the controversy in that.
 
SadSwitcher said:
Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.
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Yes, like they were going to tell you days ahead of the awaiting busineeses and press that tiger would be release shortly and to hold on your order - get a grip mate.

If and this is a BIG IF you call apple - speak politly to the apple rep (not a good idea to scream and should at telesales / customer support workers - used to work as one through university and I know where that will get you) then they will more than liklely qualify you for the up to date program.

end rant.
 
mpw said:
what about iWork (£33), is it worth upgrading to replace MS Word (Office V.x)? I find Word so slow I’ve taken to using TextEdit and then using Word to format etc.
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I admit that I haven't finished reading the whole thread...so maybe this has been addressed.

I too was annoyed by the slowness of Word--I don't think Pages is your answer. I've found it to be very useful as a layour app (for me, it's a user-friendly to make brochures, documents for presentation, etc), but not as a word processor--this is just my experience.

There are alternatives to Word. For me, working in other languages and with unicode fonts is a must, Mellel seems to handle this best (try writing pointed Hebrew in Word--you'll die before you get it to work). I'm a big fan of Mellel. There are other free options too like OpenOffice...

Again, sorry if this answer has already been provided...
 
For those wondering about CoreImage and compatability with video cards, I doubt that is the full list of cards CoreImage supports. If you read it, it says "Core Image-capable graphics cards include:" which could mean there's more that it supports. Now, if there were the word "only" in there somewhere, then i'd be a little bit more worried.
 
Well, this is good news. I was waiting for Tiger before making a switch.

Unfortunately I waited too long. The $2200 I was eying for a new PB or iMac has just gone on some new furniture.

Ah, the joys of married life ... I couldn't argue we didn't need a new sofa, unfortunately.
 
Maybe someone can help me, because I'm a little confused. I ordered Tiger about 2 hours ago with a student discount. I then thought of something and now I'm wondering if I should change my order. Let me explain:

I purchased an iMac G4 about a year ago (ordered it late March and received it in early April). So I've had this Mac about a year. On it (and with it) came iLife '04. I use it occasionally, and I still have the DVD or what not with it on it. I figured that when I upgraded to Tiger, I could do a clean install and then just reinstall stuff like iLife. Now I'm not sure (and I've had a hard time searching for details), but is iLife '04 still going to work on Tiger? Or do I need to change my order and order iLife '05 as well as Tiger? I mean if I can just install iLife '04 and go on my merry way, that's great. If I need to order iLife '05 though, I'd like to know before anything ships out. Thanks in advance for any advice/help offered.
 
i believe that is only for offers that are being physicall mailed in... like i said, i did the same thing last year, and it worked. i'm sure a computer that someone bought in january wouldn't qualify, but it's worth a shot to anyone who bought a mac mini or a rev. d powerbook to at least give it a shot with the sale date as April 12th. you're not getting the retail package, its just the install disks coming in a padded brown envelope, but for $10, i'll take it.


Patriotsv4 said:
Hmm something sort of strange. I purchased my Mini March 19th so I tried the up to date thing for the heck of it. I entered my serial and March 19th as the date and it doesn't work, so I tryed April 12th and it did work, ok I had to think there is some catch. I looked at the terms and conditions and saw this:



Is the marketing part number the same as the serial number? I'm going to assume so because it wouldn't make sense for them to charge me $10 and send me some order form.

Thanks for your help!
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Pre-order iBooks??

OK so I imagine i'm being stupid........but why can't I pre-order an iBook with Tiger installed? Do I have to wait til April 29th to be able to order an iBook with 10.4, and then wait another 2 weeks or whatever the queue will be?

Also just one other q - does this mean that rumours of iBooks having updated RAM to 512 because of slowness of Tiger with 256 are out of the window, or still a possibility?

Ta muchly.
 
AidenShaw said:
XP Home OEM $93
XP Pro OEM $146

http://www.newegg.com/app/searchPro...&DEPA=0&bop=and&description=xp&InnerManu=1149

Please be realistic about comparing prices - if you're one of the rare people who are building a system, you know how to get the software at a reasonable price.
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Adrien,

Lets be honest, how many 'average users' out there do you really think know about OEM software? - we all know that you average user is either going to stick with the OS bundled with the PC or will be going off to pcword (uk store) or what ever the local equivilent is and will be paying full price - this is one way that apple is working for the user and not just taking the MS attitude of "well it is avaliable if....." and offering a level(ish) playing field to everyone - with no hiding behind different pricing structures al la microsoft.
 
stevietheb said:
...Again, sorry if this answer has already been provided...
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Thanks, and there's no need to apologise when offering help.

Right now I'm erring on Tiger and iLife but I'm going to give iWork a miss maybe until it grows a spreadsheet app.
 
CORE IMAGE AND MINI (stop complaining about the upgrade btw)

daveL said:
All this means is that the *GPU* can't be used directly to implement CoreImage; it doesn't mean the mini can't use CoreImage at all. If your machine doesn't have a GPU capable of implementing CoreImage, then it's implemented with the CPU. Lighten up.
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Thank you for the response. I dont mean to be flipping out, I just want to get the facts straight before paying for it. I've heard the ripple effect with dashboard and the cool user switching effect are examples of things that wont happen on the mini. Can anyone with a tiger build confirm? This would seem to say the mini cannot do some core image things, not just that the gpu wont do it. I really hope it can and it would just be slower, but that you could customize which efffects the cpu did or not, thatd be ideal. let users decide how much they want. Thanks for all the help. Let's keep the discussion on tiger and what it can do and not the upgrade garbage, their policy is well documented. call and complain to apple, dont complain here. we cannot help you
 
SadSwitcher said:
1) They refused this AM read all my posts.
2) Apple support said I had to deal with the store
3) Already shopping it around to people.
4) It's buyer beware up right up to the point where the sales rep lies. BBB 101, try learning it. A mature person would know that.
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Sounds to me as though you walked into the store today and pissed everyone off from the get-go, similar to the way you've presented yourself here. I'm saying that because, as wdlove mentioned, Apple has a no-questions-asked return policy, and you should be within the return period, so something else is going on.
 
AidenShaw said:
XP Home OEM $93
XP Pro OEM $146

http://www.newegg.com/app/searchPro...&DEPA=0&bop=and&description=xp&InnerManu=1149

Please be realistic about comparing prices - if you're one of the rare people who are building a system, you know how to get the software at a reasonable price.
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If you're one of the rare people who are building systems you would more than likely have researched Mac OSX and would have known Tiger was coming out.

And as an ex-Windows Beta Tester who has built many X86 systems I would suggest keeping an eye out for "oem" versions of XP.MS is getting down on a lot of companies selling oem Windows. ;)
 
When is a new computer considered 'purchased'

I've been trading emails back and forth with the apple store's support all day, but I'm curious if anyone here has any experience.

For the purposes of Up-to-date, when is a new machine considered purchased?

In my case, I placed the order in late march.
It shipped yesterday.
I assume my credit card will be billed in the next day or so, it still has not.
I will likely receive shipment of the system later this week.

Which of these events is the 'purchased by' date? I would think the credit card billing, as that actually closes the deal, but has anyone encountered this situation in the past?

FWIW, Apple's support just keeps sending me links to the website and quoting the same 'purchased by..' line, which is a little vague in the case of a transaction which straddles the deadline date.
 
mxpiazza said:
i believe that is only for offers that are being physicall mailed in... like i said, i did the same thing last year, and it worked. i'm sure a computer that someone bought in january wouldn't qualify, but it's worth a shot to anyone who bought a mac mini or a rev. d powerbook to at least give it a shot with the sale date as April 12th. you're not getting the retail package, its just the install disks coming in a padded brown envelope, but for $10, i'll take it.
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This is great news, thanks a ton. I was ready to go spend the $130 on it.
 
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