Tiger Available April 29th

[skinsfan00atg]

CORE IMAGE AND MINI

Well, the cube effect works on my 1 GHz TiBook with a Radeon 9000 under Panther, so why wouldn't it work with a faster CPU and GPU (mini) under Tiger?

Thanks for the info! That's just what I've been looking for and i know others have as well. I cant imagine thigns would get worse like you said going to a better computer. My only question would be yes, it worked on Panther, but panther didnt have core image did it? Did they shift some of the cool effects to Core image for tiger? Thanks everyone for the responses.

 

[Cougarcat]

I trust in Apple, that's why I'm switching at all. But I personally called and talked to Apple today and they told me I will not get some effects of Core Image with my mini such as the ripple effect when adding a widget in dashboard or the cool cube rotating effect when switching users. I'm just concerned because on the user switching info site, it shows the cool snazzy video to attract you, but theres no fine print that says: "will not work on mini". so im just a little confused. i believe its understandable. the apple website says you can go to an apple store and play with tiger yourself, so i wonder if they have it set up on minis. then we could find out.

With Panther, the Qube effect only requires Quartz Extreme, so it works on minis.

 

[bankshot]

This may be obivous to everyone but not me...

How much hard drive space will Tiger take up???
I was dissapointed when I got my iBook that Panther took up prety much 10G of my 30G hard drive (I know i know, should have got a bigger) one.

I don't know the exact answer, but one way to reduce the amount of disk space taken up by the OS is don't install all the extra language support and printer drivers. Panther takes about 5G on my iBook, and that's without all the extras. Just do a custom install and deselect stuff like Asian Fonts, Extra language support (not called exactly that, but something similar, maybe localization?), etc. If you have a printer, just install the set of drivers with yours in it, not all of them.

I assume it'll be similar for Tiger.

 

[hadleydb]

I'm excited! I paid 69.00 through the education store!

I have one concern... Where are Tiger's stripes? The box slightly looks like Panther's box. A different X of course, but no stripes?

Sorry just had to add that...

 

[bigandy]

trying to see if i can afford to buy the educational one... wish it was as cheap here in the UK as it is in the US dammit. maybe i should just not eat for a week or two.

$69 as apposed to £58? i'm sorry but that's just not fair! $69 is about £37! DAMMIT!

may get a friend in the states to buy it and send it over, as a gift as to avoid tax

heheeh.

 

[liketom]

I'm excited! I paid 69.00 through the education store!

I have one concern... Where are Tiger's stripes? The box slightly looks like Panther's box. A different X of course, but no stripes?

Sorry just had to add that...

nice price i paid 89 , o look left for the stripes

 

[drlunanerd]

Thanks again. Like I said, I'll just cough up the full amount seen as I'm going to the store anyway.

Why waste over 30 quid?? Order it online for peace sake and get the discount!

You could put that saving toward buying something else in the store on the day.

*shrug*

 

[drlunanerd]

trying to see if i can afford to buy the educational one... wish it was as cheap here in the UK as it is in the US dammit. maybe i should just not eat for a week or two.

$69 as apposed to £58? i'm sorry but that's just not fair! $69 is about £37! DAMMIT!

may get a friend in the states to buy it and send it over, as a gift as to avoid tax

heheeh.

You forgot to add US sales tax - it's therefore not that much cheaper.
You might still get done for VAT and import duty too if your mate sent it to you - even if it's listed as a gift, as its value is over the threshold.

 

[chevyorange]

Sorry, not to pull I know more than you do crap on you, but the first G4 Macs were introduced in 400MHz, 450MHz and 500MHz, with the lower speeds shipping immediatly and the 500MHz configuration shipping a month after. Turned out that Moto couldn't make th 500's, so Mac had to step backwards on the speeds to 350MHz, 400MHz and 450MHz. It was a big deal at the time.

I only know this because I got one of the 400's before they slowed the line down. I thought I was lucky to have got something for nothing.

I was just replying to the gentleman that said there were no G4s built slower than 400MHz and I was just at my pals house with his 350.

I only know what my friend has, I'm not an encyclopedia on G4 PowerMacs. No offense taken.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

No offense, but...

In the past, I've used the single user license for the three computers running in my office - any idea if this has changed in Tiger? Will I need a Family License for a small network?

Probably no way to know if this is enforced until it delivers...

BTW - I bought Tiger through the amazon link one the macrumors homepage - support!!

1. The Family Pack is specifically *not* for business use (even home businesses )
   

   (from store.apple.com)
   * Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By "household" we mean a person or persons sharing the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium. This license does not extend to students who reside at a separate on-campus location or to business or commercial users. )

2. It may not be wise for you to be posting on a traceable web forum like this the fact that you have 2 unlicensed installations of OS X on your office computers. While Apple may look the other way when home users install OS X on multiple machines - they most definately do care about offices doing it.

Honestly, if I were you, I'd go buy 2 more copies of Panther right away to get legal before Apple and/or the BSA get you in their sights.

Then you can worry about upgrading all 3 to Tiger.

 

[aswitcher]

Great to see it out.

Do people really think that an archive install will produce better performance than just the basic install replacing Panther? I like the way things are set up now and dont want to spend too long stuffing around...

 

[VincentVega]

So do you prefer "to dos" or "to does" -- both of them look silly...and both are probably confusing too. Is there a standard way to make an infinitive plural in English?

Of the two, I prefer "To Dos".

However, I would prefer to avoid the issue altogether and re-phrase the category heading appropriately, for example:

"Events and To Do Items"

No ambiguity or cause for confusion there.

As for the "is-or-isn't-the-apostrophe-valid" question, people's preferences differ. Some prefer my "hard-line" approach (Apostrophe Protection Society, Purdue University). Others prefer the "let's use an apostrophe" approach. Oxford University states that both forms are acceptable.

Having said all that, though, writing "To Do's" is a lot less annoying than sticking apostrophes in places where they are absolutely not required at all, for example "dog's", "cat's", etc, etc, etc.

Anyway, Tiger. Looks great. Nice one Apple.

 

[AppleAce]

I don't believe that's the case. As soon as Tiger is released, all new Macs should have the Tiger DVD dropped into the box. They'll still have Panther preinstalled, but the Tiger DVD should be there, so the first thing you'd do is clean install Tiger.

At least this is what they did with Panther (my dad bought a G5 just after it was released and had Jaguar preinstalled, but Panther CDs in the box). I believe third-party resellers should do the same thing (they'll have to open up the boxes and drop Tiger in), but I'd go directly with Apple just to be sure.

Actually, I think both you and wdlove are right. As soon as Tiger is *released* all the new macs will have a Tiger DVD dropped in, until they run out of stock with Panther preinstalled, then the Tiger preinstalled computers will start shipping.
However, Tiger has not been released yet. There has only been an announcement of the release date. So if you buy a mac today at an apple store, or online and it ships before the release date, you are eligible for the $19.95 S&H upgrade.

 

[vouder17]

That is the stupidest thing I have read.

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.

Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers.

Three: The BBB (an independent third party) thought it was a rip-off and accpeted my complaint against Apple and the local Mac store. Nothing will come of it, but it's the thought that counts.

Did I get ripped? Damn right I did and only an Apple fanboy would deny it.

if you such a fanboy, then why did u order a mini when u knew that, Tiger was going to be released in the next few weeks and you knew that you werent gonna get a free copy, just cos u bought it a few days before the release...

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Thanks for the info! That's just what I've been looking for and i know others have as well. I cant imagine thigns would get worse like you said going to a better computer. My only question would be yes, it worked on Panther, but panther didnt have core image did it? Did they shift some of the cool effects to Core image for tiger? Thanks everyone for the responses.

In case you care, I get the cube effect switching users on an "ancient" single processor G4 500 with a Radeon 8500 AGP card (as well as on my iBook G4 1.25Ghz and a dual G4 500 with a similar card) - you just have to make sure that the users are on the same screen resolution, colors, and monitor sync rate (otherwise, it will just fade to black between users while the settings are changed)

One thing I wish it did was to do the cube on both montors - Panther just does it on the main one. (I know, picky, picky!)


As far as Core Image, if I understand your question, then yes; they probably just moved the Quartz Extreme code that did that effect into the Core Image library and changed Finder to call it there.

 

[cb911]

wooooo!

so finally now i know when it's coming... all i can think of is how happy i am that my bro is still a student.

 

[VincentVega]

Not only is do's a perfectly legal plural of do. (Check your dictionary). It is the preferred usage in most style guides. The bibles of english writing. You're going to just be very pissed off, if you find the consensus correct form to be annoying. I suggest one of the many brands of decaffienated coffees.

Thank you for your invaluable and totally non-patronising suggestions on how to live my life. Do you have any other invaluable advice to offer, or is that it?

 

[bit density]

Of the two, I prefer "To Dos".

"Events and To Do Items"

No ambiguity or cause for confusion there.

The problem is not the apostrophe. It is the fact that "to do" is being used as noun. It is clearly a verb, and as such the s on the end would be to create an action verb. He runs, she sails (at the seashore, or otherwise). There is no such thing as to runs or to sails.

A "to do" list is a short cut to say a list of things to do. "Thing" is what gets pluralized when used correctly. I have one thing to do. I have many things to do.

When "to do" list was originally invented it was quoted, like it is previously in this sentence. There was times where it was hyphenated to-do. In which case it becomes its own word, but still looks ugly as to-dos.

And while I appreciate that cats and dogs should not be apostrophied thus, english is a complicated amalgam of rules and exceptions, and as long as I have a list of to do's, I will take them apostrophy-essed because, well it is much easier to read. And that, of any reason at all, is why style guides, and myself like it that way.

 

[vouder17]

woooohoooo. Atlast i am super happy. Ordered it should be here by the 29th. I hope before ..hehehe

Has anyone else noticed how slow the apple Mac OS X site is running. i am guessing that there are a few other people, checking out tiger.

 

[VanNess]

core image

You do know what CoreImage really is right? It's not a rendering engine. It's an API.

Absolutely correct. Coreimage has to be the most misunderstood thing about Tiger. As I understand it, coreimage will look to see of you have a programmable pixel level graphics card for those effects that actually benefit from pixel programming Not all of coreimage's effects require it. If you don't have a pixel programmable graphics card, coreimage then looks to see of you have an MP cpu system and uses the additional proccessor along with altivec. If you still come up short, core image then optimizes for altivec proccessing on a single G4. So it can fall back no problem if you don't have a pixel programmable graphics card living in your system. I don't know how G3 machines will deal with it, since they don't have altivec. Things might get a little slow there.

Think about it folks. Apple isn't stupid. They aren't going to release an OS that only the most recent, most powerful machines will benefit from, because they aren't going to sell very many copies of Tiger if they do. They have invested millions in the development of Tiger alone. Obviously, they want Tiger on as many machines that are in use now as they can possibly hope for. And they are looking to impress with this release, not dissapoint. I expect my 1gigahertz eMac with its "measley" 32 meg Radeon 7500 proccessor to fly on Tiger, just as it does with Panther right now. So the Mini, with even better hardware specs, will certainly do no worse.

By the way, the much vaunted "ripple effect" that was seen in the Dashboard demos? If you have a Mac that came with the World Book encylopedia, you can see it right now on Panther. Thats right, no need to wait for Tiger just for that. Open up World Book, and when you see the introductory aqua screen, with the floating pictures scrolling from left to right, click on any part of the screen that doesn't contain a link. (Don't click on the scrolling pics, because they are links) You will then see the famous "ripple effect" sans coreimage

The only thing i can honestly say about Tiger is that I can hardly wait. AFAIK, with Tiger's feature set this is poised to be the best, most significant operating system release since the introduction of the original Mac OS

 

[eric_n_dfw]

I trust in Apple, that's why I'm switching at all. But I personally called and talked to Apple today and they told me I will not get some effects of Core Image with my mini such as the ripple effect when adding a widget in dashboard or the cool cube rotating effect when switching users. I'm just concerned because on the user switching info site, it shows the cool snazzy video to attract you, but theres no fine print that says: "will not work on mini". so im just a little confused. i believe its understandable. the apple website says you can go to an apple store and play with tiger yourself, so i wonder if they have it set up on minis. then we could find out.

If the ripple effects are not being displayed on machines with non-core image acceration then I'd bet that it's only because the Dashboard code is written to check for the capabilities of the system and throttles back eye candy if it otherwise would bog down things. Same as 10.3 does if you don't have a Quartz Extreme capable video card. (and as Final Cut Pro does for it's real-time effects)

I think it would be awesome if Tiger started throttling back eye candy on slower machines - it would help non-core image and maybe even non-Quartz Extreme capable machines to have a more responsive GUI at the cost of being as "pretty". This is one area I like in most modern Linux desktops and even Windows XP: you can turn a lot of that stuff off if it's slowing the machine down. I wish OS X had supported ways to do the same.

 

[bit density]

Thank you for your invaluable and totally non-patronising suggestions on how to live my life. Do you have any other invaluable advice to offer, or is that it?

Ahh, but Vincent, you came complaining of the mal-use of to-do's by Apple, and how even though you knew you were being pendantic that it caused you personal ill.

I merely suggested rather than forcing Apple to ignore the advice of many editors and keepers of the English language to assuage said illnesses, that you might consider other avenues. If not solving the egregious harm that you were suffering was the reason that you mentioned it, I apologize.

And invaluable my advice is, precisely the cost that you paid.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

AFAIK, with Tiger's feature set this is poised to be the best, most significant operating system release since the introduction of the original Mac OS

No, that title would have to go to the Amiga OS!
[I say as I run from the room]



[poking head back in]
followed by NeXTSTEP

[duck]

 

[liketom]

Ahh, but Vincent, you came complaining of the mal-use of to-do's by Apple, and how even though you knew you were being pendantic that it caused you personal ill.

I merely suggested rather than forcing Apple to ignore the advice of many editors and keepers of the English language to assuage said illnesses, that you might consider other avenues. If not solving the egregious harm that you were suffering was the reason that you mentioned it, I apologize.

And invaluable my advice is, precisely the cost that you paid.

mmmm you sound like my old english teacher lol WAIT YOU ARE MY OLD ENGLISH TEACHER

 

[ajkst1]

Here's a tough question:

Do I buy Tiger with my edu discount, or do I wait and get it from my university for free? I'd have to wait 2-3 weeks after it comes out (5-6 weeks from now) to get it, but I'd get it for free. Or I could drop $69 on it and get it on April 29.

What should I do?