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Tiger Available April 29th

I hear you!

ZildjianKX said:
Your post reminds me of my post earlier in the thread about the single processor 1.8 G5s getting killed off 2-3 months after shipping after waiting 2-3 months to get the computer and killing half the value.

If they didn't have a great OS I probably would have made my G5 into a giant molotov cocktail and thrown it through a window in Cupertino.
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I definitely can relate to that feeling... I came close to tossing that PowerMac G4 through my window after investing almost 4Gs into it. Thank God sanity got a hold of me quickly and I accepted my fate as a computer user who was already so 'yesterday'. It didn't help that I work in high end visual effects for the film industry and speed is an issue. But I figured I would be patient and wait it out a couple of years and get the latest and greatest G5 then.... I simply wished that the Apple retailer salesman had been honest with me. He must have known....

Anyway, if the rumors are true, I am buying the new PowerMac G5 with its dual core technology and the 3Ghz proc benchmark finally here. Otherwise, I will be, as I have in the last couple of years, sniffing around the rumor sites to find out when the latest gem comes out.

They got me once...they won't get me twice....
 
Does anyone else think the girl who starts the 3 way video chat in the iChat video demonstration looks eerily like Nina Meyers from 24?

And oh, great news of course.
 
t^3 said:
For those of you who've bought it already: has your card been charged already? My bank shows that my check card has been charged $70.04 (I have the edu discount, but it should only be $69) by Apple, and I live in Oregon, where there's no sales tax! Just wanted to see if anyone else has this too since I thought that Apple's policy is to charge upon shipping, and I doubt they'll be shipping it in the next few days.
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It's probably "pending." Apple did that to my card when I first ordered the Mini when it was announced.

Companies often charge about $1 to a card when checking for validity and it is never actually taken away, it is just "pending" for a while.
 
john_satc said:
This may be obivous to everyone but not me...

How much hard drive space will Tiger take up???
I was dissapointed when I got my iBook that Panther took up prety much 10G of my 30G hard drive (I know i know, should have got a bigger) one.
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You can save gigs and gigs by limiting the language options (if you don't care about japanese and the like), and even more gigs by limiting the printer drivers that are installed. Make sure you choose custom installation and turn off those unnecessary options (if they are indeed unnecessary). Probably can't say how big my tiger install is (or can I?) but it's small.
 
mlrproducts said:
It's probably "pending." Apple did that to my card when I first ordered the Mini when it was announced.

Companies often charge about $1 to a card when checking for validity and it is never actually taken away, it is just "pending" for a while.
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Ok. That's just never happened to me before, or at least I've never noticed it. Whew!
 
4God said:
Darn, I just bought a 2005 Jetta and the new 2006's are coming out. What do I do? Should I call the BBB? :confused:
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Yes, and not only that, they now offer a new softer leather interior, so you should be able to get your leather upgraded to the new softer leather for only 9.95, otherwise your jetta is completely outdated, and you may as well put it on blocks in the front yard.
 
bankshot said:
Yeah, the guys were sitting around the Board Room at Apple saying, "You know, we need to screw over that SiliconAddict guy. Let's *snicker* release a - get this - Mac mini with an underpowered GPU! Haw haw haw!! WAIT! It gets better. Then... listen to this... we'll artificially raise the requirements of CoreImage to *snort* ABOVE that card! Heeheeheeheeee!!!! That'll really piss him off!!" :rolleyes:
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hey, maybe

but the board probably isn't made up of JUST males (sexist bigot)
 
immediately clicked "store" and ordered
hopefully will ship on 29th

but btw it said that it will not support processor upgrade...
Steve...u really want me to buy a new mac?!!!
 
QFace said:
hey, maybe

but the board probably isn't made up of JUST males (sexist bigot)
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Wow! very harsh and probably undeserved. I am sure nothing was meant by the original poster. "Guys" is often simply a non-descript and easier way to write "the men and women", or just "people" generally. Probably not to Politically Correct, but we're on a forum where people don't spend days pondering the ramifications of every word in their post.

BTW, the original post made me laugh in the middle of a uni lecture
 
mk_in_mke said:
I am truly in love with the ease of use and the Mac experience... The biggest thinkgh is that this time we really have a 64 bits OS given to the consumer... A 64 Bit OS sold to anyone who wants it!!! Can you believe it... All the buzz about 64 Bits processing....

BUT NO ONE in this forum has provided insights about the 64 Bits processing because the real thing about Tiger is the 64 Bits... Come on guys, forget about the general stuff like EDU pricing:

...

Stop whining about the little stuff and look at the big picture: what is 64 bits processing going to bring in your daily activities... A very simple question I asked - poorly worded I agree - has not been answered... And I have been thru almost 500 postings...

Thanks guys!

Michel
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Uhm, from what I understand, the only new thing Tiger will have as far as 64 bit things, besides xCode programming support, is addressing for certain applications:

"Tiger’s new 64-bit pointers enable individual processes to access massive amounts of virtual memory. The enhanced kernel, plus a 64-bit version of libSystem, let command-line programs, background daemons and network services directly manipulate up to 16 exabytes of virtual memory"

I may have been misinformed, but I was under the impression that even with Panther, G5 machines were able to execute 64 bit code, just not address the vast amounts of memory 64 bit addressing offered...
 
mk_in_mke said:
Stop whining about the little stuff and look at the big picture: what is 64 bits processing going to bring in your daily activities... A very simple question I asked - poorly worded I agree - has not been answered... And I have been thru almost 500 postings...

Thanks guys!

Michel
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64-bit processing will bring *absolutely nothing* to your *daily activities* I repeat, absolutely nothing. I believe AidenShaw was already kind enough to answer your question
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mk_in_mke said:
The most important thing for me is the 64 bits processing...

but: what will 64 bits really bring to me? ...
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It's the most important thing for you, yet you don't know what it does?


First of all, the new 64-bit addressing won't help you since you only 4 GiB of RAM. The main thing that 64-bit addressing does is allow a *single* program to use more than 4 GiB.

Second, 10.4's 64-bit implementation is a partial implementation that is mainly available to command line terminal apps. No Cocoa/Carbon apps, no GUI apps.

For an applicaiton like Photoshop or video to use 64-bit addressing, it would have to be rewritten as a "client-server" app, with a 32-bit GUI talking to a separate 64-bit work piece. Ain't gonna happen, IMO.

The need for 64-bit on the desktop isn't that great, and the need for a lame terminal-only implementation is almost zero on the desktop.

The supercomputer clusters will like 10.4's 64-bit addressing, though....
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Since the G5 is a 64-bit processor, it can surpass the 4 GB RAM limit imposed by 32-bit addressing. This is useful in Panther if and only if you are running a *multiple* RAM hungry applications at the same time, like Photoshop and Final Cut for example. Under Panther, one single app cannot use more than 4 GB of RAM. Under Tiger, this limitation is removed, allowing a single application to use more than 4 GB. But right now, this is only useful for a handful of command-line terminal applications, because regular windowed Cocoa or Carbon apps, which still run on non 64-bit processors, use 32-bit addressing.

So, in answer to your question, once again, 64 bits processing is *not* the "big picture." The only real benefits will be seen by supercomputing clusters of XServes, not the normal run-of-the-mill desktop mac user.

The only thing 64 bits does for the normal mac user is allows him to put more than 4 GB of RAM in his computer, and run lots of programs at the same time, nothing else. And this could be done under Panther.

Edit: I see I was beaten to it. And I also forgot to mention the part about massive amounts of virtual memory, too. 16 exabytes, wow, that's quite a bit. 16 billion (actually 16*1024^3) gigabytes.
Anything else to add to your original post AidenShaw?
 
sadswitcher,

you bought panther 6 days before the cutoff for the free tiger upgrade. not trying to sound rude, but why should you get the tiger upgrade for free? should apple make an exception to the rule just for you? thats why they call it a cutoff. in the case of not accepting the return of the computer, if it's within their return policy they should, but you wont get anywhere going in there all pissed off that the rule didnt work for you and letting them know youre trying to get around their rule.

chris
 
F/reW/re said:
OSX Tiger, where's iPhoto and iMovie?
What made Panther so guenius is now all gone... Windows gives you a VideoEditing software.. but OS X don't../QUOTE]

8 spelling/grammar errors, and one major misconception in that quote.

If you buy a new machine, you get the bundled iLife applications. If you buy OS X as a retail package, your are buying the upgrade for the operating system only. To get the upgraded iLife applications, you must buy the upgrade to iLife.
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I just bought a new superdrive iBook two weeks ago. Darn. :p

Oh well!

I'll just pick up Tiger and the circle will be complete. Tiger + iLife '05 + iWork '05 :)

BTW, is it safe to do an install of an OS where you don't erase the HD in the process? I've finally gotten everything installed and I'd hate to have to do it all again.
 
mk_in_mke said:
BUT NO ONE in this forum has provided insights about the 64 Bits processing because the real thing about Tiger is the 64 Bits...
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Well, maybe, because Tiger isn't a 64-bit OS. It's a hybrid 32/64 bit OS on a G5. A 64-bit OS only benefits a small class of applications, most of which are not germane to a "normal" desktop user, i.e. a majority of Mac users. As HD takes hold, data sets grow exponentially, etc. 64-bit performance gains *will* become commonplace. For now, Apple is doing what needs to be done to benefit the "Pro" market, both workstation and server, and putting the 64-bit foundation in place for the future.

Really, don't get caught up in all the 64-bit hype, regardless of what platform you are on (Win, Linux, OS X, etc.).
 
SadSwitcher said:
I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.
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Well, you don't HAVE to get the new version of Tiger to use your Mac Mini. Unlike Windows, Mac OS software has a pretty long shelf-life. I used OS9 until about 5 months ago. I will probably wait for quite a while before upgrading to Tiger myself to be sure all the kinks have been worked out and all my favorite software has been fully updated. Your Mac Mini will work perfectly fine with Panther for quite some time before you need to upgrade. Heck, there are companies out there STILL using OS9, with no plans to upgrade!

You are right, not everyone has lots of spare cash to throw at Apple every time they release a new OS or new equipment, so, you'll just have to wait like the rest of us, whether by choice or necessity.
 
i know this is a risky move, but if someone would be willing to give me advice on fixing up my iMac DV 400, let me know. (i figured this thread would get the most hits :/ sorry.)

thanks!!
 
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Mini, here I come

Cool, after a few agonizing weeks without a Mac I can get back in the game by buying a Mini. I definitely wasn't going to get one unless it had Tiger preloaded. Then again, I may wait even further - until Apple makes a minimum of 512MB standard accross its whole Mac line, as it has been rumored to plan to do sometime this summer.
 
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