Tiger Build 8A351 Sceenshots

narco said:
The only thing I was hoping was an update in iChat. The only thing I don't like about it is the look. Too boxy and not the customizable. I've been using Adium, but I can't transfer files through it.
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You can transfer files through ADIUM. I do it all the time. Version 0.74 has functional (if ugly) file transfer. Drop a file in the writing area and press enter. The file will be transferred.

Eduo
 
deckmoney said:
Does the new iChat feature a profile, tabs, a log viewer, or the ability to set the refresh time of your buddy list?
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Why? Did they ever promise such things? Not from what I can recall.

So no.

The last one is even geekier than what the majority of clients support, by the way.
 
fawlty said:
An extra incentive to get Tiger is the fact that Apple have admitted that it's the last of the yearly update cycle; Tiger's successor may not be till 2007.
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I certainly hope that Apple won't wait that long. Unless there free updates will be larger and include actual significant changes. I don't see them offering a lower price for Tiger over it's lifetime. There will still be the Student discount, ADC, and purchase of a Mac.
 
wdlove said:
I don't see them offering a lower price for Tiger over it's lifetime. There will still be the Student discount, ADC, and purchase of a Mac.
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Think about it. Once Tiger is released, and included on new Macs, you can get iLife ($79) Apple Works ($79), and OSX ($129) for $287 total, but for a mere $212 more, you get a Mac Mini thrown in to boot!
 
Peel said:
Think about it. Once Tiger is released, and included on new Macs, you can get iLife ($79) Apple Works ($79), and OSX ($129) for $287 total, but for a mere $212 more, you get a Mac Mini thrown in to boot!
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DAM that is a great point, I never thought about it like that. Well in my case for 400 more LOL wireless keyboard, 512MB ram and bluetooth a must for me
 
billystlyes said:
Will the Mac mini be able to run Tiger? With 32mb I don't think it will do Core image.
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The ability to run CoreImage doesn't preclude the use of Tiger in the same way that not having a DVD burner doesn't preclude the use of iLife. It means some of the functionality might be lost (mainly anything to do with video effects).

This isn't even confirmed, as in past OSX releases video effects have been able to run in lower-spec graphics cards than required and have always been able to fall back to the CPU.

In the end the worst that could happen is that Tiger will look a little less "animated" if you don't do CoreImage (it is possible that some of the graphic transformations don't run as smoothly either).

It still doesn't look right that Apple would release a new machine that isn't up to spec to the new OS version about to be released without an upgrade path available. As there probably won't be an upgrade path for the mini's video card I'm guessing either they'll lower the specs for video in Tiger or have the mini be able to take advantage of CoreImage even while being below spec.

Eduo
 
rendezvouscp said:
Seeing that command-space is now for Spotlight, can anyone tell us what the new keystroke is for switching between keyboard languages?
-Chase
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The same it used to be unless one changed it. Command-option-space (I recall it being command-shift-space at one time, though).

Eduo
 
billystlyes said:
Will the Mac mini be able to run Tiger? With 32mb I don't think it will do Core image.
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With Panther you need to have better video hardware than my old G3 iBooks and G3 PowerBooks to do the Quartz Extreme BUT the operating system automatically scales back for the older machines. There is some eye candy like the rotating cube for fast user switching which I don't see. But it is no loss. Panther runs just fine on our older computers and they were made looong before Panther or even OSX.

So I suspect that 1) Tiger will run just fine on the Mac mini even if it does need to scale down some visual effects a little and 2) I'll hazard that Tiger will run complete with all visual dandies on the Mac mini simply because the Mac mini is being brought out so soon before Tiger and will continue to be sold when Tiger is out. Apple is very good about making their newer software run on older hardware and always (walk's way out on the limb) makes it work with all current hardware.

Cheers,

-Walter
Sugar Mtn Farm
 
Peel said:
Think about it. Once Tiger is released, and included on new Macs, you can get iLife ($79) Apple Works ($79), and OSX ($129) for $287 total, but for a mere $212 more, you get a Mac Mini thrown in to boot!
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The only problem with that scenario is that legally, would not be allowed to use it on another computer. If one is in need of a small computer it's a great deal. If you have more than one Mac, they a family pack is needed.
 
Peel said:
Think about it. Once Tiger is released, and included on new Macs, you can get iLife ($79) Apple Works ($79), and OSX ($129) for $287 total, but for a mere $212 more, you get a Mac Mini thrown in to boot!
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I already had posted a thread with this idea. As you see legally it does not work out. Though still a great way of getting an up to date machine at a great price ;)
 
Peel said:
Think about it. Once Tiger is released, and included on new Macs, you can get iLife ($79) Apple Works ($79), and OSX ($129) for $287 total, but for a mere $212 more, you get a Mac Mini thrown in to boot!
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AppleWorks is gone. It is replaced with iWorks and that will not be a Free item on any new computers, but will cost $79. You figure of $212 needs to be closer to $300.
 
JGowan said:
AppleWorks is gone. It is replaced with iWorks and that will not be a Free item on any new computers, but will cost $79. You figure of $212 needs to be closer to $300.
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What are your sources? It appears that iLife 7 was not ready for the disk image for the Mac mini build. In the short term Apple may want to keep Appleworks as freebie, but IMO Apple will probably be putting a base version of iWork on "consumer" system. Maybe with some upgrade package.
 
pubwvj said:
Oh? It is still being sold at the Apple Store:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...oHz1d3bbp1vCDlZxKnF2/1.0.11.1.0.6.25.7.11.0.3

AppleWorks does a lot of things that iWork does not do. Maybe some day, we all hope, Apple will replace AppleWorks with something better, but iWork is not it.
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According to SJ, someday iWork will be the replacement for AppleWorks, and I think it'll be a beautiful replacement. But like you said, right now AppleWorks is still being sold and comes on computers today.
-Chase
 
Sweet mother of Jesus! ^_^ Tiger keeps on getting better and better! I really like the new UI for Mail. I'm really looking forward to the new apps like Automator, that Net Diagnostics app (is it going to replace the Internet Setup Assistant?), the new versions of Preview and Quicktime (they finally marked what features need a QT Pro code, which is great) and the new Finder, with Spotlight and the new folders (Burn Folders and Smart Folders). Anyone know what the GM build is gonna be? Is it getting close?
 
MacG said:
You'll also need more than 4 gigs of RAM to take advantage of the 64-bit addressing in tiger. Plus you'll need applications written to take advantage of it (and need more than 4 gigs of RAM in their processes).
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Not so....
The G5 processor can only access 2 Gig of memory on a 32 bit OS like Panther(For a single thread).

IF
You have Applications that need more than 2 Gig of memory for a single thread then you need a 64 bit OS to go with your 32/64 bit G5.
The bad thing is unless there are major overhauls to the way the MACH kernel uses memory(specifically the virtual memory manager) then those Applications that need large chunks of memory will still perform rather poorly on OS X.

Also most of Tiger is not 64 bit.... the only part that is 64 bit is for command line POSIX compliant applications. Gui based Apps will all remain and run as 32 bit.

Now that being said while some people are all excited about a 64 bit OS(which as I've just explained Tiger is not), the fact of the matter is some applications will actually perform worse using a 64 bit OS than on a 32 bit OS..... It has to do with the way registers are used.

I personally have many Applications that OS X 10.3 is not suited for and have to use Linux on my Macs to compensate. By the way my testing has shown that Linux out performs OS X for my Apps by more than 25%.
This is entirely do to the way Apple optimized the Memory manager for OS X...... Unfortunatly for me they chose to optimize it for Apps like photoshop and the like. Linux just plain does a much better job overall for me.
Also unfortunatly for me LINUX isnt a very Sexy looking OS like OS X is, but I use it because I need to get my work done in a timely fashion.
I only use Panther on my PBook.
 
ShiggyMiyamoto said:
Sweet mother of Jesus! ^_^ Tiger keeps on getting better and better! I really like the new UI for Mail. I'm really looking forward to the new apps like Automator, that Net Diagnostics app (is it going to replace the Internet Setup Assistant?), the new versions of Preview and Quicktime (they finally marked what features need a QT Pro code, which is great) and the new Finder, with Spotlight and the new folders (Burn Folders and Smart Folders). Anyone know what the GM build is gonna be? Is it getting close?
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NO it isnt even close... There are many many many things that are still broken. Dont hold your breath waiting on it anytime soon...
I would expect at the very earliest April or so. From what I have observed I dont see anyway they can resolve the issues in less than 3 months...

Heck it took almost a year to release XSAN after it was anounced and it wasnt much more than a OS X port from ADIC with some gui tools thrown in. Tiger is much more complicated than that and needs way more work.
 
Macshrine's site:
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Oops! Maybe they will be offline until February 1?
 
Doctor Q said:
Macshrine's site:
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Oops! Maybe they will be offline until February 1?
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I was able to get in before MacShrine went down again, and to be honest it's nothing special really, with the exception of the new Graphing Calculator.
 
eduo said:
Why? Did they ever promise such things? Not from what I can recall.

So no.

The last one is even geekier than what the majority of clients support, by the way.
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I never said they promised them, I just asked if they are/have been added to iChat. Geez, loose the attitude. I think those are responsible requests: Safari has tabs, why doesn't iChat? Both require multiple windows.

My final request (for the ability to set the time for buddy list refreshes) wouldn't be needed if iChat update more regularly. I can't tell you how many times I've sent a message to someone thinking they are online only to find out they are away, or sending a message to someone about their away message which they revised 20 minutes earlier.
 
Tiger Pricing

Just to end the speculation regarding Tiger's pricing.

Mac OS X version 10.4 “Tiger” will be available in the first half of 2005 through the Apple Store®, at Apple’s retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 (US).​

From Apple's own initial post-WWDC press release.
 
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