Tile Adds Undetectable Anti-Theft Mode to Tracking Devices, With $1 Million Fine If Used for Stalking

d686546s said:
No, but if you said personal car X is a defective product because it doesn't work well as a taxi for some reason, people would rightly point out that this wasn't what it was designed for.
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I was analogizing the point that people obtain things for THEIR use case, not some corporation's morality department's decree.

That's why thousands to millions of people have them on their dog, regardless of the Apple Morality Committee.
 
Pezimak said:
Yes this does make them totally useless in a way. You can usually find things in your house or car etc you’ve lost. But if you lose them outside your own general places you visit, they’ll beep as you say to scream to everyone, hey I’m over hear and lost! Not a good solution.
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Others on here have already corrected you and your misunderstanding of how the FindMy network works. But I did want to reiterate that Apple was very clear on the purpose of AirTags when the product was introduced; it is not anti-theft but a device to find your misplaced items. On my items, I don’t hide my AirTag because if my briefcase or keys are lost and in a public place, I want a passerby to see the AirTag and connect to it in order to see the notice to return it to me.

Yes, bad people exist and can take your lost item, but with AirTags, good people can also easily and safely return your item.
 
dentontay said:
To everyone who says 'this is not enforceable', it will cost you to defend. A lot. If you are a higher net worth individual, maybe retired or well off with assets, all Tile has to do is get a judgement against you in court, and your assets can be seized and liens put against your property. I haven't read that the money will go to victims, either. Tile just gets to keep the money? Brilliant corporate strategy. It's no longer worth the risk to own any Tile product. I hope no one signs up for this crap.

What's next, a computer company asking you to pay a million dollar fine if you download anything illegal?
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it will cost Tile more to sue some one. They have to hire attorneys to draft civil suits, issue summons to some one. Send attorneys to court, and the juries will laugh at this crazy fine. Remember a jury doesn’t like to screw the little guy for a corporation, unless they can prove some serious damages.
Tile better use that money innovating, instead of these cheap marketing tricks.
 
Aston441 said:
I was analogizing the point that people obtain things for THEIR use case, not some corporation's morality department's decree.

That's why thousands to millions of people have them on their dog, regardless of the Apple Morality Committee.
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And I was just pointing out that buying a rubber dingy to sail around the world is dumb. It was never meant to do that.

Complaining about a product not meeting YOUR use case is dumb if the product wasn't intended to meet YOUR use case.
 
d686546s said:
And I was just pointing out that buying a rubber dingy to sail around the world is dumb. It was never meant to do that.

Complaining about a product not meeting YOUR use case is dumb if the product wasn't intended to meet YOUR use case.
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MidwestMacGuy said:
This just goes to highlight how limiting Airtags are. They're only good for findling lost items, but are worthless for something that is stolen.

One example if an item is moved when it has been sitting still and away from the linked phone, it beeps. Completely the wrong approach. If a theif moves the item wtih an AirTag on it, the AirTag literally lets them know where the AirTag is hidden. Instead it should give a silent alert to the associated phone so th owner knows something has been moved. How dumb can Apple be?

Then there is the well know feature that alerts someone if an AirTag is moving with them that is not their AirTag. Great for anyone concerned about stalking, but then it cannot be used at all to help recover lost items from a thief.

Therefore after initally buying a three pack of Air Tags, I won't but them again. They are mostly junk.
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We have discussed this to death but out of irrational fear of a very rare crime -stalking - AirTag use case is basically you cannot find your keys in your house.
 
I know this is a rare situation but I have to mention it because my mind always goes in this direction. What if someone finds a tile tracker knowing it belongs to someone specific, takes it and hides it in another person's backpack thus causing it to stalk them without the original owner knowing. I know the person doing this wouldn't be doing it to track a person but rather to destroy someone's life.
 
fubarmike said:
I know this is a rare situation but I have to mention it because my mind always goes in this direction. What if someone finds a tile tracker knowing it belongs to someone specific, takes it and hides it in another person's backpack thus causing it to stalk them without the original owner knowing. I know the person doing this wouldn't be doing it to track a person but rather to destroy someone's life.
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Straight to Tile jail.
 
gsurf123 said:
Most people in the stalking trade do not have a million dollars.
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But, they do have to supply a verified ID.
You also have to pay a fee. The payment also add traceability.
They also say,"they will share information withaw enforcement", not "might".
 
Kierkegaarden said:
What if somebody steals my Tile and uses it to “stalk” someone? How could they possibly prove that it wasn’t stolen from me and planted on someone without my knowledge? Ridiculous.
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You can't steal a Tile because it's married you your account. You would have to relinquish ownership of the tile and they would assume ownership.

I have done it with my son's. Just stealing a Tile doesn't work. It is tied to your tile account.
 
TechnoMonk said:
What’s the crime? How is Tile going to prove there was a crime? Cops won’t even file report based on tile marketing jumbo jumbo, let alone press charges. There has to be real crime.
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A person finding an active tile in non detect mode goes to the police.

The police contact tile for owner information. No warrant needed because tile has already said they will share information.

Tile gives them the ID and bank account information associated with the tile and payment.

The police investigate the stealing claim.

You will have to explain why YOUR tile is on something someone else owns and is in do not detect mode.

Someone is in trouble.
 
techwhiz said:
A person finding an active tile in non detect mode goes to the police.

The police contact tile for owner information. No warrant needed because tile has already said they will share information.

Tile gives them the ID and bank account information associated with the tile and payment.

The police investigate the stealing claim.

You will have to explain why YOUR tile is on something someone else owns and is in do not detect mode.

Someone is in trouble.
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Cool story Bruh!
 
BGPL said:
All of my AirTags became worthless when Apple become self righteous and starting notifying everyone within bluetooth range 10x every day that there's an AirTag around, complete with an annoying beep that tells on you. All for the 1/1000th of 1% that use it for stalking. Timmy the white knight, come to save the world. Timmy tears open his shirt to reveal the big T on his chest, with that slight grin showing his little teeth, and you can't tell if he's smiling and slightly happy, or if his mouth just rests that way all the time. I also find it incredible that people in an iCloud family get notified about AirTags owned by people in that same immediately family.
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This is why I haven't bought any, because I want to use them for theft protection as well as tracking. And since Apple's notifies everyone they have hosed the theft protection portion.

Now if Tile puts a little heat under Apple and gets them to modify AirTags, then I am all for it.
 
obviouslogic said:
Many issues with this...

1. A vindictive ex gets a hold of your anti-theft Tile and claims they "found" it and accuses you of stalking.

2. Attach the Tile to a fake item, plant in car or bag, if caught, stalker can claim the item was stolen and they were just tracking it to recover it.

3. Are you really going to hand over that much personal data to a company that makes tracking devices?
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And what is to prevent a vindictive ex from doing the same thing with an Apple Tag? Nothing.
 
TechnoMonk said:
Nope. Your keys are linked to your find devices, iCloud account. Why would it beep for your own stuff. Silly.
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It depends on whose account the AirTag is set to. If you spouse borrows your car and the keys have an AirTag put on by the other, it will beep and notify you. Apple at least needs to have a way to share AirTags among family members.
 
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