No, but if you said personal car X is a defective product because it doesn't work well as a taxi for some reason, people would rightly point out that this wasn't what it was designed for.
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Tile Adds Undetectable Anti-Theft Mode to Tracking Devices, With $1 Million Fine If Used for Stalking
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No, but if you said personal car X is a defective product because it doesn't work well as a taxi for some reason, people would rightly point out that this wasn't what it was designed for.
But how will Tile be able to know whether it’s stolen or being used to stalk?
Say I had one hidden on my stolen bike. It’s now following the thief around, so it may look like I am stalking them, but it’s really just stolen.
Say I plant one in my ex’s backpack and report it as stolen, but I’m really stalking them.
In both cases, the Tile is no long near me and following someone else…so how can they tell the difference?
Since when a private company can define the fine amount for law-breaking?
Because multifactor authentication means that you can’t set up a prepaid phone under a fake name so Bozo the Clown can be liable for the $1M fine. This is stupid on so many levels. Utter 📢🤡🎙️.
They’ve always been sad and desperate for market share, and this is nothing more than a “Buy a Tile cuz we DO let you track people without them knowing but don’t, I said DON’T 😉 do that.” I can see how this is going to end. Apple’s either going to make them put out an alert (and/or provide a scanning app all can use) OR this will be the death knell for Tile in civil court when some kid gets kidnapped and raped/murdered/human trafficked off an undetectable Tile. Seriously. How long until it gets recalled and the damage has been done?
Buy an AirTag. Or better yet, don’t.
Either way you cut it, there’s going to be Hell to pay for Tile’s dumb🐴 here. (Waiting for donkey emoji in next update.)
They’ve always been sad and desperate for market share, and this is nothing more than a “Buy a Tile cuz we DO let you track people without them knowing but don’t, I said DON’T 😉 do that.” I can see how this is going to end. Apple’s either going to make them put out an alert (and/or provide a scanning app all can use) OR this will be the death knell for Tile in civil court when some kid gets kidnapped and raped/murdered/human trafficked off an undetectable Tile. Seriously. How long until it gets recalled and the damage has been done?
Buy an AirTag. Or better yet, don’t.
Either way you cut it, there’s going to be Hell to pay for Tile’s dumb🐴 here. (Waiting for donkey emoji in next update.)
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And I'm sure I wouldn't buy this to submit official documents (or copies) / personal information to some company to be then only granted the full functionality of the product.
Thanks, but no thanks. Even without the 1Mio lawsuit that's bad PR.
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Life360 is famous for selling your location data. No Tile trackers for me.
www.theverge.com
Life360 makes millions selling location data, and it’s about to buy Tile
Who owns your data, and what are they doing with it?
www.theverge.com
Not an excuse and not an apology. Apple made a clear intent of use for AirTags. They can’t help it when morons buy them and try to use them for something else and then whine about it. “My car is junk, it’s completely useless at ramming and pulling tree stumps out of my yard.”
No, he’s not right.
And maybe you set yours up wrong or its faulty? I put one in my backpack when we drove across the US and back... and it never once chirped after three weeks and over 4,500 miles of traveling.
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Thats not the way they work. It only notifies people when it’s traveling with them after a certain amount of time. If it’s stationary, it will not notify anyone that it is there… it will just bounce off their phones to notify you of its location.
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Or the person could take it from their ex and put it on themselves. This will be a ********
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I agree. It’s ridiculous. In addition, they can change their terms of service at any time without notice so any company could decide to fine users for anything they don’t like.
If it’s illegal, it should be a law enforcement matter. If it’s not, hen it’s none of their business what I do with their product.
Plus I can see two scenarios.
A: Deeppockets who would pay like we would be paying $5
B: People who would take 50+ years to make $1M, much less possess it at one time.
Companies do it all the time. Particularly mortgage companies. They offer you money - Say $100-$500 in exchange that you agree if you sell your house you will list with them. Then in the CONTRACT YOU SIGN (a signed contract is legally binding), if the person lists with someone else, that first company has liends on the house and a clause that you will owen them ridiculous amounts of money. -It's legal - because the customer entered willfully into a binding agreement they were presented to sign and could have read.
So yes - Tile can enforce that $1m clause because the person is signing a binding agreement to use the service under those terms. DO YOU (AND ALL OTHERS IN THIS THREAD WHO ARE NOT ATTORNEYS) this that Tile doesn't have a legal department?
They could really ruin someone - though not collect money they don't have - for this.
So if a company mass stalks people and sells their data it’s acceptable because but personal stalking is not? 🫠Life360 is famous for selling your location data. No Tile trackers for me.
sLife360 makes millions selling location data, and it’s about to buy Tile
Who owns your data, and what are they doing with it?
I have no idea whether this is enforceable or not, but neither the fact that something is in a legally binding contract, nor the fact that a company has a legal department, necessarily means that it is bullet proof.
There is a long history of contractual provisions that have been struck down by courts and all of these companies presumably have a legal department. The lawyers could have simply advised that there is a chance that it will hold, but a reasonable degree of risk that it won't.
Edit: While I don't necessarily care about protecting stalkers, the idea of companies using massive financial penalties for using their products in a specific way makes me slightly uneasy. Tile requires a "conviction in a court of law," which does mitigate what they're doing, but still.
BTW: If you want to defeat tracking of any of these devices it is crazy easy and simple to do. You simply wrap the item up inside aluminum foil, or place it in a metal box. This effectively creates a faraday cage which will block all RF signals coming from the device thereby rendering it useless. A pro will already know this.
There is an old saying that goes, "Locks are for honest people because a thief will just break the lock."
There is an old saying that goes, "Locks are for honest people because a thief will just break the lock."
So if you have one your keys and your driving it'll start beeping after a while, that sounds VERY annoying to me.
Stalkers don't care about the threat of a million dollar fine. It's not even enforceable... it's marketing BS.
They could, but it would be incredibly bad PR if they did in fact try to go after customers for that. On the other hand, something like this sounds pretty reasonable, although I’m not sure how well this could hold up in court.
Man why do good honest people always seem to have to pay for the things 💩 people want to do, and feel so compelled to do?
I'd love anti-theft Airtags... Tile devices don't use other iPhones in the vicinity to send location information to the owner the way Airtags do, right?
I'd love anti-theft Airtags... Tile devices don't use other iPhones in the vicinity to send location information to the owner the way Airtags do, right?
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Correction: "Your id is linked to it" -> "One id is linked to it"
Someone who can stalk can steal an ID card, maybe the ID of the person who is stalked if this person is in the family ?
Can't see the new ones because they are undetectable.