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Exactly - I hate it for the Tile Company... but this is Apple's playbook and has been for years. Tile either needs to adapt and create something different than AirTags, or expect to be written off into oblivion just like countless other companies and products... Anybody remember the JooJoo? Nope - because they couldn't compete.
Tile has 66% of the world market to sell their product to without Apple. Go do what you want on Android. If that is a better model then why even build for Apple. Let companies that appreciate Apple’s model work with them and those who desire a free for all can go else where. I wish the Apple haters had remained where they were over the last decade. We would have a slightly smaller Apple but one without this foolish drama. It’s really a small selection of people who are not really Apple fans but have bought items over the years for whatever reason, that make the most negative noise.
Apple makes products and services that we are happy to pay for and they draw customers that spend money. They make money because they refuse to give away their products. They would prefer to be very small than to sell a loosing product because that is not why they are in business.
 
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In that case, the only thing missing is the ability for 3rd parties to charge for use of the service. If I make the greatest tracker tag known to man, but I don't want it to be a one time $29 sale, and instead want to charge $x/month for you to track it with your iPhone...I can't use the Find My network.
I went to Tile’s website earlier today. They HAVE the ability to make the greatest trackers. The variety of colors and sizes are beyond where anyone else is right now. I think it’s a missed opportunity for them to be sitting this out.
 
Funny how I don’t remember Apple fans saying how “crappy” Tile was when they were happily using them long before AirTags came along. It’s almost like you have to HATE everything that competes with Apple products.
I agree with your overall sentiment, but I had tile for a while and it was just inconsistent. I really just needed to be able to find my keys inside my house and it just wouldn't find it. The battery drained pretty quickly, and it was just a mediocre product. They sent me a replacement after alot of time on the phone. Same thing. I asked that they replace it with the upgraded tile pro (?) and they declined, so I threw it away. This was about a year ago. I don't hate them, that would be extreme, but it left a sour taste in my mouth. By that time there were rumors about airtags so I waited. Now I have an airtag. Haven't tried it much, but I am hopeful.
 
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That's an example of a 3rd party app offering a unique feature that Apple's built-in app doesn't have. Good for that app maker. They've created a differentiator.

But overall... Marques' comment is true: Apple pretty much made the 3rd party flashlight app redundant.

I'd also say the same thing happened to QR code scanner apps. Remember those? You used to have to download an app just to scan a QR code.

But now you can scan QR codes with the built-in Apple camera app.
Yes but I still keep a QR code generator around when I need it.
 
I found the subscription model for Tile to be a real pain, so I stopped using it.

However, I don't think anyone is completely guilt-free in this situation. Apple is obviously going to make their product more operable with their hardware, software, and services. However, the question is whether or not that is fair. Depends on what you consider fair. Idk that's not for me to decide.
 
let's be honest... it'll NEVER be fair game competing with apple. especially a product (tracking) are so depend on a mobile phone which apple iPhone itself are the most popular in current market. one thing apple have a close guarded, well established eco system. two apple have **** load of $$ to hire the best engineer money can buy. even apple new product are actually not that good but it's still have substantial edge competing with most of the companies in the world.
 
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"I hate that Porsche makes me only use 93 octane premium gas on their cars." Well, that is why there is Kia, Nissan, Subaru. Not happy with Apple, buy a flip phone and stop complaining.
That's odd - I don't recall Porsche or BMW following me around to make sure I used their recommended fuel. Try a better argument next time.
 
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With all of these recent complaints, I'm missing the part where it became accepted that Apple must provide third parties access to all the hardware and software capabilities within thier devices? I could be wrong, but neither the hardware or software is open source, so what gives?
 
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Apple is privileged. What in the actual bonkers? As if they are gifted? They built their network. They own the network. That’s call building your product. I wonder how many believe they are privileged to own a phone. 😅😅. Stay well.
Tile needs work with 5g cell tower manufacturers so they are integrated into their network since there’s a tower every block.
That’s a good idea which would actually be better than even the best of what Apple’s solution would be capable of. Ultimately, this is the largest downside of companies focusing on Apple as some defacto standard technology. There ARE better technologies out there, but instead of developing those, companies just want to get a free ride on Apple. But, I guess there’s your answer right there, developing your own solution takes money. If you can get access to Apple’s network for free, that’s a LOT cheaper.
 
Many of you fall for the illusion of competition. There's no competition. It's predatory.

Tile has a non choice. It can keep its own network and stay off Find My. But Apple won't give Tile the keys to have their network be as robust as Find My. E.g., they could figure out a solution to extend the iPhone/BluetoothLE pings for Tile's network, but they wont.

So then Tile's forced off their network onto Find My. But once on Find My, Apple products are again privileged with special abilities.

I'm not arguing Tile on the merits. Maybe it's the best product on Earth, maybe it's the worst. I don't care. The point is they can't build the best product because of Apple's 3rd party restrictions.

And if your response is "if you don't like it, go build your own cell phone company!", that argument is reductionist and absurd.

I love Apple as much as the next, but many of you are Apple sycophants. They are behaving as a cartel.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying but why should Apple cater to 3rd party companies? They should be allowed to do whatever they want with their system and if users don't like it they will leave to a more open system like Android.

Personally, I prefer cross-platform apps and ecosystems but will choose the a closed system like Apple if they provide a significantly better experience, like Apple Music (I understand some prefer Spotify).

If Tile can provide a product that is as good or even almost as good but is cross platform I will choose Tile.

They are in a tough place but they did nothing to produce the U1 chip. They should get together with other companies like Google and Amazon to compete with Apple but Amazon and Samsung are already developing a eco-system to compete with AirTags.
 
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Given that approach nobody would or should invent any accessory for Apple devices because ultimately Apple will put them out of business.
They shouldn't if their business model relies on Apple not creating its own solution.
Imagine if Apple started making drones (and don't deflect and say they won't). Is that a problem for DJI? Should DJI go and complain now that they have a competitor in Apple Drones?
 
Many of you fall for the illusion of competition. There's no competition. It's predatory.

Tile has a non choice. It can keep its own network and stay off Find My. But Apple won't give Tile the keys to have their network be as robust as Find My. E.g., they could figure out a solution to extend the iPhone/BluetoothLE pings for Tile's network, but they wont.

So then Tile's forced off their network onto Find My. But once on Find My, Apple products are again privileged with special abilities.

I'm not arguing Tile on the merits. Maybe it's the best product on Earth, maybe it's the worst. I don't care. The point is they can't build the best product because of Apple's 3rd party restrictions.

And if your response is "if you don't like it, go build your own cell phone company!", that argument is reductionist and absurd.

I love Apple as much as the next, but many of you are Apple sycophants. They are behaving as a cartel.
This is the smartest post on here.

So many people here simply don't understand how capitalism works, and why antitrust laws exist in the first place.

I gotta say, some editors here are pretty bad too.
 
With all of these recent complaints, I'm missing the part where it became accepted that Apple must provide third parties access to all the hardware and software capabilities within thier devices? I could be wrong, but neither the hardware or software is open source, so what gives?
... it happens around the time its turned into a generic compute device with hundreds of thousands if not millions of companies basing their businesses around developing for it. It was Apple's choice to move in that direction (Because iPhone would have died without Apps in a competitive market against phones with Apps), there are certain rules businesses are expected to play by that are written into law that then come into effect.
 
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They shouldn't if their business model relies on Apple not creating its own solution.
Imagine if Apple started making drones (and don't deflect and say they won't). Is that a problem for DJI? Should DJI go and complain now that they have a competitor in Apple Drones?
If Apple Apple's drone can only exist because of DJI, and DJI has substantial market share, then absolutely Apple should sue.

your analogy doesn't make sense. If iPhone was the only phone available, Tile had a very strong point. The only reason this isn't an open and **** case is because Android exists- that's it.
 
Well, I mean, it’s commons sense. You’re sick of common sense, yeah? If you spend your blood sweat and tears to build a stadium that millions of folks visit weekly, should I be able to able to use your stadium for free? OR, would you want me to pay you? OR, would you want me to get the government to force you to let me use your stadium for free? OR, actually, what would your “solution” in that case be?

FWIW, in the US most, if not all stadiums are funded by taxpayer dollars. So actually I should be able to use that stadium for free.
 
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This is the smartest post on here.

So many people here simply don't understand how capitalism works, and why antitrust laws exist in the first place.

I gotta say, some editors here are pretty bad too.
Apple, and namely it's current executive are a prime example of avarice capitalism leading to the mindset that predatory behaviour at the expense of competition is perfectly fine

as long as Their guy wins.

Apple has been a predatory company since it's inception. it's been a Marketing company primarily most it's life. It has used a combination of abuse of the legal system in the US, massive deregulations of international trade to use the cheapest forms of labour it can get away with in the public eye,

and along with some of the highest pricing, the highest margisn due to these predatory business behaviours and min/maxing.

And they hide it all behind the veneer of marketing as "THE BEST" in every single thing they do. Which is mostly bunk.,


I'm an apple user. They make some very good products. But this sycopanthy that Apple is #1 always no matter what and pointing out where they from a business point of view have had history of market abuses, seems to get them frothing with anger.

meanwhile. they literalyl get nothing from Apple for being their mouthpiece and Apple gets free marketing out of these people
 
This is the smartest post on here.

So many people here simply don't understand how capitalism works, and why antitrust laws exist in the first place.

I gotta say, some editors here are pretty bad too.
Forcing a company to give free unrestricted access to technology they developed and put in their own device doesn't sound like capitalism just because another company doesn't want to put in the time/money to develop something themselves. Sounds like communism to me.
 
So, I suppose we’re all corrupt because we all have absolute power over things we’ve purchased or created! :)
You don’t have absolute power over your iPhone. You’re tied to Apple’s eco system. You can only download apps from their AppStore and you have to abide by all their rules. You don’t own that product, it owns you. I know some people like that way and some people don’t.
 
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If Apple Apple's drone can only exist because of DJI, and DJI has substantial market share, then absolutely Apple should sue.

your analogy doesn't make sense. If iPhone was the only phone available, Tile had a very strong point. The only reason this isn't an open and **** case is because Android exists- that's it.

the big equestion that really can't be easily answered is what constitutes a monopoly and whats the market.

if we're talking about "smart phone" market. yes, Android is bigger and would illuminate any talk of monopoly.

But that's not exactly real breakdown of phone and it's user base. especially with vendor / software lock in.


However if we look at each market independantly as they often behave. Android is a monopoly of the android space and iOS of the Apple space. The reason why this argument doesn't get brought up against Android is because you can install 3rd party stores and that is competition.

if you look at iOS as it's own market, than the App store is 100% a monopoly.


And as someone using iOS? Telling users to "just leave" is stupid. More users leave the ecosystem and it results in smaller potential customer base for Developers. Which results in less development for that platform. Encouraging people to leave over Apple's business practices in some veign attempt to feel superior is just silly gatekeeping that helps nobody

when in reality, the best solution is to prevent monopolization and monopolistic business practices.

When you have long standing fanboys such as MKBHD who are starting to go "hold up apple, something's not right here"... and even the fanboys are pointing out the monopolistic behaviour that is crippling 3rd parties, than it's clear there is a problem here.
 
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I was under the impression that the U1 chip was remaining proprietary but I see thats not the case. So Apple has opened up both the Find My Network and U1 chip to third parties.

In that case, the only thing missing is the ability for 3rd parties to charge for use of the service. If I make the greatest tracker tag known to man, but I don't want it to be a one time $29 sale, and instead want to charge $x/month for you to track it with your iPhone...I can't use the Find My network.
The U1 chip is not completely open. Tile can't integrate the U1 chip into their software, they have to stick to the Find My Network which means they can't build new software features that utilize the U1 chip. This isn't directly tied to a company wanting to charge more money in the form of a subscription, although it does eliminate that, at least for now.

The advantage Tile has over the iPhone is that Tile is cross-platform, you don't need to own an Apple product to use it. Or if you own an iPhone you can switch to Android and not have to rebuy your Tile products. But if future Tile products are limited to iOS then I see very little reason to go with Tile. Can Tile make a product that works as well on iOS and Android?

And what happens if Apple opens up the U1 chip to other networks outside of the Find My network? What will that mean for battery life for the user? I'm sure there are a lot of technical nuances that no one on this forum understands.

I'd like a multi-platform tracker but I don't begrudge Apple for not making their system open, that's why Android exists and I am tempted by Android.
 
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