So what did they steal?
"OLOL Do you really need to ask that question"?
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So what did they steal?
"OLOL Do you really need to ask that question"?
Same response every time.
Who rumors about google? It would be so dull and boring and predictable... Any way, if you want to know what google will do shortly, then you need to see the proper prediction in apple rumor sites...
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Then do not ask the question!
Apple has yet to make a self driving car. Google has. That's pretty interesting to me.
...hence the reason why I bring it up all the damn time.
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Then quit saying stupid stuff!
...hence the reason why I bring it up all the damn time.
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Then quit saying stupid stuff!
Every tech company should be thanking apple for showing the way.
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Apple has yet to make a self driving car. Google has. That's pretty interesting to me.
...hence the reason why I bring it up all the damn time.
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Then quit saying stupid stuff!
Ahhh... Great. Now you are annoyed. Your annoyed because someone has called your bluff, and you are too - what is the word you said?- to realize that is why you are annoyed?
What have they stolen exactly?
Oh really? this crap again? You and this post aren't worth the time.
Oh, you have cut me to the quick! With that incisive destruction of all I had to say, I cannot bear the shame. Goodbye, cruel world!
(So you're saying the Android that Google bought was a multitouch phone?)
did apple invent touch screens?
does apple make them?
i bet samsung and others were shopping their new screens around to companies other than apple
It was a joke.
But. Since you walked into it.
Your statement implies Google doesn't innovate with exciting stuff..
just sayin'
And they just happened to wind up with the same gestures, designs just happened to come up so similarly.
Can I prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? Nope. But it seems highly coincidental that Android had been bopping around in one direction, and soon after Apple's release of the iPhone (which Schmidt knew about much earlier than the public) it's suddenly a different direction.
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But in any case, it doesn't really matter. Android exists, it's a fait accompli, it's not going anywhere, Apple exists, it's not going anywhere, and so a deal that makes both sides reasonably happy and gives both a chance to progress without the distractions of litigation is what is best. So here's hoping Cook and Page are able to strike a deal that settles it for everyone.
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There were already touch screens, yes, but they were resistive single touch that supported styluses, or surface-capacitive single touch.
Apple was on the forefront of multi-touch, saw the potential and bought into it. Pioneered the technology behind projected capacitance multitouch, iPhone was the first mobile device with it and it revolutionized user interfaces as we know today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
They designed the spec that others make for them. Last I checked, TPK makes the sensors, the layer that gets bonded to the glass, but Apple creates the controller, the software/firmware that processes the nodes, filters noise, and determines touches.
This debunked myth doesn't match either history or common sense.
First, contrary to your previous post's claim, it was public knowledge that Google had bought Android back in 2005 to work on a smartphone platform. It's likely one reason Jobs invited Schmidt onto the Apple board.
Second, Schmidt only came on about three months before the iPhone debuted, so there was hardly any advantage there even if he wanted to leak info. (Schmidt not only recused himself from iPhone meetings, but had isolated himself from the Android team in order to avoid any legal difficulties while he was on the Apple board. This helped put Android behind, according to Andy Rubin.)
Most importantly, it was not "very soon after"... it was THREE YEARS AFTER the iPhone was shown off in 2007... and I think over a year after Schmidt had left the board... that Android enabled multitouch, and THAT IS WHEN (2010) Jobs went ballistic. (Apparently partly because Jobs mistakenly thought Apple owned multitouch itself.)
In other words, every piece of the timeline of this myth is bogus.
The trouble with that theory is not only the fact that the timeline doesn't support it, but Steve Jobs never accused him of stealing any inside info. Ever. Not even in the biography.
What Jobs said was that he felt that Android stole ideas from iOS _after_ the iPhone came out.
The upshot is that the whole myth makes no practical sense. For it to work, you'd have to believe in the totally idiotic idea that it somehow requires just three months of inside info and then over three years of non-inside work to come up with multi-touch. In a world of dumb internet myths, this one is near the top.
I'm saying that your line of reasoning and opinion has been discussed here ad nauseum and given that you joined in 2002 you either don't read threads (or in their entirety) or you're in deep denial. Take your pick.
Or I haven't spent much time in the discussion boards until recently (if you check my post history, you'll find a fair number (ok, obsessive number) of posts in two post-verdict threads and almost nothing before that).
Reading through this thread is sickening. Do you guys actually think that the copying here only went one way? Apple has stolen just as much, if not more features from Android than Google has from iOS. And for those of you that think Apple was the first one to the scene with a touchscreen device with icons, have you forgotten about Windows Mobile and Palm OS? Apple took the idea and perfected it. Sound familiar?
Notifications bar, tabbed browsing, wireless syncing, split keyboard, opening apps from the lockscreen, ota updates.. Just a few things that come to mind that Android had first.
I wish the extreme fanboy types on this forum could understand that a bit of healthy competition isn't a bad thing, and Apple didn't invent everything..
Notifications bar, tabbed browsing, wireless syncing, split keyboard, opening apps from the lockscreen, ota updates.. Just a few things that come to mind that Android had first.
I wish the extreme fanboy types on this forum could understand that a bit of healthy competition isn't a bad thing, and Apple didn't invent everything..
I believe that falls under the first category. In any event - I was harsher than I needed to be. But go look at KDarling's post and you'll see why your hypothesis fails the logic (timeline) test.
Touch existed, in the form of resistive or capacitive single touch but not projected capacitive multi touch.
From wiki
Exactly as I said, Apple took an existing idea and perfected it. Their behavior (and that of many posters here) reminds me of what I see from a 2yr old child. It is ok for them to iteratively improve existing concepts, but not for anyone else.
Would you guys really be happier if all other competitors keeled over and died, and you got to use your iPhone 4 with iOS 5 for the rest of your life?
Apple has used their power & influence to spread FUD about Google via their various shills.
Failing to think for themselves, thousands upon thousands of Apple devotee's simply believe what's spread in the blogosphere.
Google is tame compared to the almighty privacy destroying, consumer tracking Acxiom Corporation. They know far more about every aspect of your life than any other entity in the world. Google pales in comparison.
Afraid of Google? Think again.
source - http://www.acxiom.com/
(disclaimer: I do _not_ advocate for any company)
What Apple does is take very disparate concepts and tech, reworks into something people haven't seen before the is ground breaking, and hones it to a fine point of user friendliness and usability. Yes, there were MP3 players before the iPod, even hard drive MP3 players before the iPod, but the iPod launches as something anyone can use rather than the geek toy they were before. The iPhone launches and throws the expectation of a smartphone completely on its head, leading Samsung and others to write reports of "we're in deep ****, here's where we're behind on the iPhone and need to catch up". (Whether you think it should be proof of copying or not, the document clearly shows high concern about not measuring up to the iPhone.) The tablet market was dead, all attempts to make them failed outside of a few niche markets, and the iPad is something that gets wide use.
Others then adopt the new Apple product wholesale, and start making changes. It's the squint test, compare the Apple product to what came before, squint hard, and you can say yeah, this feature in Apple's product probably came from here, this feature probably came from there. Comparing to what happens after (at least the first couple of generations), you squint and say "OK, that's a little different from the Apple product" "OK, I can see a little differentiator there".
If the competitors were inspired by Apple's success to do what they did, go back to the original parts and create something, there would be some overlap, but there also would be some real innovation as they find the other paths up the mountain. But the similarity, coming with the same conclusions in so many places and always after Apple, makes that unlikely.
But OK, anyone who spends that much time probably won't succeed because they'll be too far behind.
And there are advances Google has made on top of the iPhone. Yes, they got notification trays and wireless syncing right first, among others. I wish Apple was more aggressively deal making as opposed to litigation (and so I'm really hoping for something substantial to come out of this). But to argue "the step from single touch smartphones to multitouch is the same as a notification tray" is silly.
I'd argue otherwise. The jump from single touch to multitouch is a very obvious evolutionary step in touchscreen devices. I very seriously doubt most people who work in that particular section of the industry were taken by surprise by the development. It wasn't like...
"Wait...you can use two fingers? OR MORE? It's genius! No one would've thought of that".
Rather, I think it was more like "well...yeah". Probably because multitouch devices were regularly seen in the high end business world for at least three years by that point. The biggest, and probably only surprise was that Apple jumped ahead of everyone and released a multitouch device with a small 3.5" screen.
The idea of multitouch, maybe. Creating a highly functional multitouch phone with appropriate responsive behaviors so it feels like the user is manipulating items on the screen, less so.
The thing is, Apple doesn't go for features, particularly for first generation of things. They don't add multitouch support, check it off the feature list, and go on to the next thing. It spends a lot of time with time implications, the effect of the feature on the user, etc.
Apple isn't the only one who ever takes that next step - the Android notification tray shows all that sort of attention to detail and elegance.
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