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I was close. Less than one week. Now Google will pay to "give away" each Android installation.

You were speculating based on Motorola filing lawsuit against Apple for patent infringement over non FRAND patents ?

I think Tim will make his decisions based how how removed Eric is from things these days. Larry needs to find a way to remove Eric. Nice new stream of income for APPL.

Goodbye Eric. You deserve it.

What does Eric Schmidt have to do with this ?
 
A straw man is a straw man, no matter what my "history" is.

You can't fabricate an argument I never made (ie Apple is invincible) and then refute it.

Nice try.

Almost every single post of yours boasts about how apple is on top. Apple is going to stay on top. No one can match Apple. Apple has billions and has nothing to worry about.

If that's not evidence that your post history sets you up as someone who thinks Apple is invincible then maybe you are a pot calling a kettle black when you call someone out (either myself or others) based on their post history as (for example) "Google's primary spokesman on this forum."

Again - it's not a straw man. I didn't say you STATED Apple was invincible. I wrote specifically

"By your logic

Apple is now the "best"

Apple isn't invincible.

Enough said right there."

Somehow you thought I was suggesting you said it - that I was quoting you. Hit too close to home? You certainly had a snap judgement/response.

You really are your own worst enemy when it comes to being taken seriously. You want to criticize me and others for being what you consider polarized (which is laughable) and fail to look in the mirror.

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Ya. It's from 2010. I found the current 2012 one here. they now have nine. More but still far from "dozens".

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Agreed - it's not dozens - the other poster might have been using hyperbole to draw the firm distinction between Apple's foray into data centers vs Google and Microsoft.

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What does Eric Schmidt have to do with this ?

Didn't you hear? Eric Schmidt stole iOS and the iPhone when he was on the board and brought it to Google and slavishly copied everything. I thought this was on the news?
 
Google in trouble?

do people here not realize Google stuff works on non Apple stuff?
that many companies use Google for their intranet searches?
or you know they make money off AdSense and Analytics?

there are some really delusional posters here

Straight up apple fanboys

I'm aghast at the stupid hate google responses
 
I predict that will hurt Apple more than Google. Especially if Apple's maps look as bad as some of the screenshots I've seen.

map traffic loss was minuscule... what ads pop on the Maps app? The threat of removing google from Safari was much bigger.

Part of the Apple move to Maps was ensuring tighter integration to apple APIs. If you're in a mood to slay your partner (go thermonuclear), then you better make sure you have adequate alternatives for your strategic infrastructure, and in mobile... being able to 'see where you are/going' is critical.

I agree, I'm not keen on the Apple Maps app, but as a shareholder, once they declared jihad on Android, they needed to show they were serious in the decoupling of Google from the iOS underpinnings. Maps was a good place to start.
 
Again - it's not a straw man. I didn't say you STATED Apple was invincible. I wrote specifically

"By your logic

Apple is now the "best"

Apple isn't invincible.

Enough said right there."

So by "enough said right there," you are implying what, exactly? That Apple isn't invincible? That my logic proves that Apple isn't invincible? Well, duh. I never said it was, I never implied it. It only proves my logic is sound - because Apple isn't invincible, despite them currently being the "best."

Just like Google is not invincible in search.

You really are your own worst enemy when it comes to being taken seriously. You want to criticize me and others for being what you consider polarized (which is laughable) and fail to look in the mirror.

Yeah, imagine a long-time Apple fan commenting on an Apple-related forum. Shocker!

What's your excuse for being here? Isn't there a Google fan site out there somewhere?
 
What does Eric Schmidt have to do with this ?

Whether or not Eric Schmidt legally crossed a line - he definitely crossed one morally, and I think that's where a lot of the anger Jobs felt came from. He was on the board as a trusted advisor, someone Jobs really respected, and at least appeared to be getting info to Google.

If he had said at the time, "As you know, Google bought the rights to the Android phone platform, it's heading in a similar direction to what Apple is doing, so do you want me to step down or can I still do my job and be kept out of the phone discussions", well, Jobs still might have wanted to go to war but just with conventional weapons ;) .
 
Agreed. As a shareholder of AAPL, I would love it Apple and Google achieved a cross-licensing agreement with a "no-cloning" clause with Apple getting revenue from every Android device sold.

An agreement like this would do more to help Apple maintain their uniqueness in the market than a dozen lawsuit wins on two-year-old smartphones. It would also make Apple some serious extra revenue.
With the patents that Apple is infringing upon from Motorola they both need to pay each other.
 
Seriously? :apple:

Seriously.
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(aren't all those logos rather annoying ? Why do people keep posting that damn Apple logo at the end of their posts ?).
 
You realize that Google bought Android before Schmidt was on the board at Apple. He didn't have to say anything it was public knowledge and he excused himself from all things related to the iPhone. Further - Jobs never accused Schmidt - in fact he praised his contributions to Apple. When it was clear Apple was spending more and more time with the iPhone, iPad and iOS - Schmidt stepped down. So there's no morality issue except in those that want to rewrite history and/or want to play Oliver Stone.


And LagunaSol -

I've already explained my reasons for being on this forum. Just because you can't accept the fact that someone can own a ton of Apple hardware and not support them in 100 percent of what they company does doesn't mean I'm not entitled to post here. In fact - you don't have to own any Apple stuff to post here. This is a discussion forum. You know - to discuss things relating to Apple AND technology.

And speaking of straw man (oh the hypocrisy) just because I don't always post PRO Apple doesn't mean I am PRO Google. Even if I ALWAYS posted Anti-Apple - that still doesn't make me a a google fan.

I'll state it again since you have such a hard time with the truth. I am technology agnostic. The right tech for the right job.



Whether or not Eric Schmidt legally crossed a line - he definitely crossed one morally, and I think that's where a lot of the anger Jobs felt came from. He was on the board as a trusted advisor, someone Jobs really respected, and at least appeared to be getting info to Google.

If he had said at the time, "As you know, Google bought the rights to the Android phone platform, it's heading in a similar direction to what Apple is doing, so do you want me to step down or can I still do my job and be kept out of the phone discussions", well, Jobs still might have wanted to go to war but just with conventional weapons ;) .

So by "enough said right there," you are implying what, exactly? That Apple isn't invincible? That my logic proves that Apple isn't invincible? Well, duh. I never said it was, I never implied it. It only proves my logic is sound - because Apple isn't invincible, despite them currently being the "best."

Just like Google is not invincible in search.

Yeah, imagine a long-time Apple fan commenting on an Apple-related forum. Shocker!

What's your excuse for being here? Isn't there a Google fan site out there somewhere?
 
Whether or not Eric Schmidt legally crossed a line - he definitely crossed one morally, and I think that's where a lot of the anger Jobs felt came from. He was on the board as a trusted advisor, someone Jobs really respected, and at least appeared to be getting info to Google.

Source ? Citation ? Seems to me according to Steve, Eric did a fine job for the board and was reclusing himself from meetings where potential conflicts of interest could arise. That is all according to Apple's own press material.

Do you have any other sources or information that provides evidence of your allegations ?

If he had said at the time, "As you know, Google bought the rights to the Android phone platform, it's heading in a similar direction to what Apple is doing, so do you want me to step down or can I still do my job and be kept out of the phone discussions", well, Jobs still might have wanted to go to war but just with conventional weapons ;) .

Hum, Google was quite open about their 2005 acquisition of Android. It was all over the tech news. If Jobs didn't know about it 1 year later when he invited Eric on the board, then something is wrong with Steve. You're not calling Steve an idiot are you ? What a lack of respect for such a great CEO.

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What. You've never heard of google rumors ?


http://googlerumors.com/

Please don't encourage his useless characterizations and polarizations. Everyone is here because ultimately, we are all either users of Apple products to varying degrees or interested in news and rumors about Apple and their products. I personally am an Apple product user and I might have a bit of an investment in Apple platform code.
 
Ah but then you'd be really bored, no? :D

Maybe I could help out a bit more on the iPhone/Mac Programming forums if I wasn't so busy debunking FUD in the News Discussion section. :rolleyes:

Maybe it would be you that would be bored of attacking/insulting me and others for not sharing your views ?
 
map traffic loss was minuscule... what ads pop on the Maps app? The threat of removing google from Safari was much bigger.

Part of the Apple move to Maps was ensuring tighter integration to apple APIs. If you're in a mood to slay your partner (go thermonuclear), then you better make sure you have adequate alternatives for your strategic infrastructure, and in mobile... being able to 'see where you are/going' is critical.

I agree, I'm not keen on the Apple Maps app, but as a shareholder, once they declared jihad on Android, they needed to show they were serious in the decoupling of Google from the iOS underpinnings. Maps was a good place to start.

very true. I'm still going to be pissed if they remove Google from the list of search engines you want to use.

And I'm not sure I'm happy about the maps thing but at least I have my Navigon (but that's not as good if you just want to look at an overview of the map cause it's annoying to try to get to an overview without asking it for directions).
 
map traffic loss was minuscule... what ads pop on the Maps app?

Just give Google time:

There are few places left in this world safe from advertising. Your apps have em, your train is plastered with them (inside and out), even your premium video subscription service pelts you with sales pitches. So, why should getting from one place to another be any different? Motorola (and, we suppose by extension, Google) doesn't see any reason it shouldn't feed you ads while you're navigating about, using your phone's turn-by-turn directions app. Of course, all these ads would be tailored specifically to your tastes and locale. Obviously, there might be something to the idea of popping up small and unobtrusive alerts for nearby businesses -- maybe even ones you didn't known existed. But, when you're trying to navigate a busy roundabout or a confusing set of on-ramps (we're looking at you, New Jersey), perhaps it's best not to crowd your vision with popups for Mabel's MuumuuMart.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/...campaign=Feed:+weblogsinc/engadget+(Engadget)
 
Source ? Citation ? Seems to me according to Steve, Eric did a fine job for the board and was reclusing himself from meetings where potential conflicts of interest could arise. That is all according to Apple's own press material.

Do you have any other sources or information that provides evidence of your allegations ?



Hum, Google was quite open about their 2005 acquisition of Android. It was all over the tech news. If Jobs didn't know about it 1 year later when he invited Eric on the board, then something is wrong with Steve. You're not calling Steve an idiot are you ? What a lack of respect for such a great CEO.

The Android that Google bought was like most smartphones of the time - non-touch, all keyboard, navigation through arrow buttons and the like. As such, it wasn't at all relevant to the project Apple was working on. The surprise was, very soon after iPhone release, it pivoted to a multitouch based phone, all set for release. And Jobs anger had Schmidt pushed off the board (yes, he "resigned" just like Nixon "resigned"). Yes, the press releases were all friendly and professional, but Jobs comments in the book suggest a feeling of betrayal.
 
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